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    Cost of going to DW waaaay too high.

    I would never fly Spirit Airlines for the record. Domestic flights from STL to Orlando have increased significantly for non-budget airlines. I can’t speak to whether or not they’ve increased significantly for international travel, but I do know I’ve rarely seen a flight to Europe or Japan from...
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    Cost of going to DW waaaay too high.

    Keeping up with the Joneses may have been the wrong phrase, but yes I do believe people indulge in novelty and experiences (this includes vacationing but is not limited to vacationing) due to social pressure and “FOMO” (fear of missing out). Social media is no doubt a driver of this. I think...
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    Cost of going to DW waaaay too high.

    I’ve gone to Disneyland annually for the last four years, and in my observation - flight, hotel (non-Disney), and transportation (rental car) have inflated at a greater rate than Disney park tickets over that time. And the Bobs have been in charge the entire time. That doesn’t excuse Disney for...
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    I don’t work in a hospital (so someone else please chime in), but my assumption is they won’t toss an existing COVID patient out of the window to make room for the car crash victim. Maybe they should though 😉 In reality, I’ve heard patients will just start getting moved to other areas of the...
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    Unlike most, I’m politically agnostic. This is more about how we are treating fellow citizens when we call out entire states. People should be a reflection of the sum of their individual choices, not a reflection of the other people they just so happen to share geographic proximity with. As a...
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    I think it would be more accurate to say a sizable minority of people are that stupid everywhere, but yes. How sizable a minority depends on locale/state. If 70%+ are vaccinated, we can’t say “people” in general are stupid - but a large enough portion are.
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    For all the flack that Florida gets, it’s actually middle-of-the-pack in terms of vaccination numbers. Many states are far worse. There are a lot of other factors at play. As another poster suggested, weather is a big factor. Florida is miserable in the summer and people stay inside. I believe...
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    When it becomes a significant detraction to my overall experience. In your example, say my hotel room isn’t ready when I check in. Give me a regular cleaning and on-time check in rather than “enhanced” cleaning and sitting in the lobby for an hour. But again I think you’re deflecting. My...
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    This is the most reasonable approach, and that is what I insinuated earlier - though far less eloquently, perhaps. I haven’t gone to WDW or DL during COVID-19, because it’s bad to travel during a pandemic - I mean, we need to slow the spread. WDW vacation doesn’t seem like a great way to do...
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    Mad respect for the man who speaks the truth.
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    Yes, I added to my previous comment. We have really entered different territory in this conversation, as my initial declaration was simply we don’t have good data to show that enhanced cleaning should be considered one of the pillars to defeat COVID-19. Desiring a more sanitized environment in a...
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    Probably too little reward, but we don’t have the data yet. I kid, I kid. We’re really veering from where I kicked this off. I was simply stating we don’t have good data to show enhanced cleaning helps. Whether one thinks enhanced cleaning is good or bad for other unrelated reasons is personal...
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    Thank you, I think this is a very sensible approach. I think these things need to be approached with a risk/reward balance, and with surface being a minimal method of transmission, I’m willing to accept more risk here. I understand some others have decided they will accept zero risk at all in...
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    Ticket prices AND wait times. I’m cheap and impatient.
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    It could hurt in theory… increased cleaning is a labor and material cost incurred by companies, and they can pass that cost along to the consumer. I’m willing to pay the cost if it helps, but we have little reason to believe it helps much, if at all. Get your vaccine, wear your mask… if you’re...
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4 Institutions have sold us on that idea, because it’s cheaper to buy Lysol than it is to improve ventilation. But it’s not grounded in scientific finding
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    What have enhanced cleaning procedures done to halt the spread of Covid? Honestly
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    I’m not comparing COVID-19 to the flu in the present. I’m saying our goal should be to get COVID-19 death rates down to a similar level with higher vaccination rates. This odd idea that we can never use COVID-19 in the same sentence as another disease is… curious. It’s not downplaying COVID.
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    This made me laugh. I had this conversation a week ago, asking a cousin of mine why he wouldn’t get the vaccine when he smokes pot on occasion. He pulled the ole “it comes from the Earth, the vaccine comes from a lab” card. I really didn’t argue with him, but ultimately you’re right that it’s...
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    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    I agree with this actually. That is why I keep saying we need to prepare for the virus to become endemic and particularly for the instances in which COVID-19 spikes could overlap with flu season. For most of us that are vaccinated, this will be the biggest personal obstacle going forward: making...
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