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And they have an almost infinitely greater risk of dying from Covid than dying from the vaccine.An American healthy child has more risk from drowning in a backyard pool or dying in a car crash than dying from Covid.
And they have an almost infinitely greater risk of dying from Covid than dying from the vaccine.An American healthy child has more risk from drowning in a backyard pool or dying in a car crash than dying from Covid.
And they have an almost infinitely greater risk of dying from Covid than dying from the vaccine.
The whole purpose of misinformation is to look factual. Random numbers that are correct but without context and improperly compared to other numbers all mushed together paint a picture very different from the truth.
Just the claim of 3,100 American children dying of polio in 1952 is not true. That number is for all Americans who died of polio that year. Polio did not just afflict children. Remember, FDR was an adult when he contracted polio.
But why 1952? That isn’t the last year before the polio vaccine was introduced in 1955. No, 1952 is the single worst recorded year for cases and the second worst year for deaths in the US. 1951 and 1953 only saw about half as many deaths. The 1950s also saw an increase in cases.
Then there is the peppering of lies of about the vaccine development timeline and long term issues. The development of the COVID-19 vaccines goes back years for both the mRNA vaccines and the viral vector vaccines. What makes these technologies so amazing is their adaptability.
So yeah, I think mislabeled data, selectively chosen data, data without context and outright lies all presented as fact qualify as misinformation.
I am very familiar with Polio. My father in law had it as a child and it came back in his early 50s as Post Polio Syndrome. He has been wheel chair bound for the last 20 years and is now to the point where he needs full round the clock care. It is not a fun disease.The whole purpose of misinformation is to look factual. Random numbers that are correct but without context and improperly compared to other numbers all mushed together paint a picture very different from the truth.
Just the claim of 3,100 American children dying of polio in 1952 is not true. That number is for all Americans who died of polio that year. Polio did not just afflict children. Remember, FDR was an adult when he contracted polio.
But why 1952? That isn’t the last year before the polio vaccine was introduced in 1955. No, 1952 is the single worst recorded year for cases and the second worst year for deaths in the US. 1951 and 1953 only saw about half as many deaths. The 1950s also saw an increase in cases.
Then there is the question of magnitude. 3,100 deaths in a year is a lot (but wasn’t every year) but it was also out of nearly 58,000 cases. That’s about 5% of cases, and that also seems like a lot. That number though is only people who developed full blown paralytic polio, which is about 1/2% of those who get infected by the polio virus. Getting paralytic polio does not mean a guaranteed lifetime of paralysis and many recovered. Nearly ¾ of people infected with the polio virus never have symptoms. Only about ¼ have flu like symptoms. So those deaths are only about 0.025% of infections.
There’s the whole dying “with COVID” nonsense.
Then there is the peppering of lies of about the vaccine development timeline and long term issues. The development of the COVID-19 vaccines goes back years for both the mRNA vaccines and the viral vector vaccines. What makes these technologies so amazing is their adaptability. Both though rely on microbiological functions that have been understood for even longer. There is no need for research into “long term effects” because how vaccines work is known. Even how the new mRNA and viral vector vaccines work is known. A vaccine is not something stored in your body, the components are broken down, used and discarded. A complication can’t spontaneously start with nothing.
So yeah, I think mislabeled data, selectively chosen data, data without context and outright lies all presented as fact qualify as misinformation.
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Reported paralytic polio cases and deaths
The reported figures include both wild- and vaccine-derived type polio infections that occurred indigenously and as imported cases.ourworldindata.org
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Still wrong, as has been told here MANY times COVID vaccines for related variants such as SARS and MERS had been in development for almost 20 years. The virus that we call today COVID19 is actually SARS-COV-2 a VERY close relation to the original SARs virus, which is why its starts with SARS in its name. So they used the SAME techniques they used for SARS combined it with the mRNA technology (also in development for decades) and BAM! we have a vaccine. Its not brand new, as if it just magically appeared out of thin air only 18 months ago. Its a vaccine that while its combating a new virus is actually decades old at this point.Yes, I agree. But when you realize the infinitesimally small chance of a healthy child dying of Covid, it's perfectly acceptable to me for a parent to want to see more information and more time lapse before he adds a Covid shot to his child's roster of shots.
The Measles shot is routine now. But it was a vaccine in development and testing for over a decade before it was released publicly in 1964. And now it has almost 60 years of evidence to know its affects and trustworthiness.
It's not odd to me why a parent would be wary of the Covid shot for their healthy child, since the Covid vaccine has only been in development for 18 months and was only put into use 9 months ago.
What breed(s)?Thank you. I was going to mention some of the exact stats you did, but then had to eat dinner and walk the dogs.
Still wrong, as has been told here MANY times COVID vaccines for related variants such as SARS and MERS had been in development for almost 20 years. The virus that we call today COVID19 is actually SARS-COV-2 a VERY close relation to the original SARs virus, which is why its starts with SARS in its name. So they used the SAME techniques they used for SARS combined it with the mRNA technology (also in development for decades) and BAM! we have a vaccine. Its not brand new, as if it just magically appeared out of thin air only 18 months ago. Its a vaccine that while its combating a new virus is actually decades old at this point.
I know its an inconvenient truth for you. But lets stop with the hyperbole that its a "new vaccine" when its not.
Still wrong, as has been told here MANY times COVID vaccines for related variants such as SARS and MERS had been in development for almost 20 years. The virus that we call today COVID19 is actually SARS-COV-2 a VERY close relation to the original SARs virus, which is why its starts with SARS in its name. So they used the SAME techniques they used for SARS combined it with the mRNA technology (also in development for decades) and BAM! we have a vaccine. Its not brand new, as if it just magically appeared out of thin air only 18 months ago. Its a vaccine that while its combating a new virus is actually decades old at this point.
I know its an inconvenient truth for you. But lets stop with the hyperbole that its a "new vaccine" when its not.
I am very familiar with Polio. My father in law had it as a child and it came back in his early 50s as Post Polio Syndrome. He has been wheel chair bound for the last 20 years and is now to the point where he needs full round the clock care. It is not a fun disease.
Another of many untruths coming from the anti-vax crowd.That's like saying that when the HIV vaccine is (finally) released, I could say "Well, the HIV vaccine was around for years because they've had mRNA vaccines for years."
There's still no HIV vaccine available in 2021. Until January, 2021 there was no Covid-19 vaccine available either.
Another of many untruths coming from the anti-vax crowd.
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Fact check: The vaccine for COVID-19 has been nearly 20 years in the making
An Instagram post claims HIV, cancer and the common cold have been researched longer than COVID-19 but no vaccines have resulted. This is missing context.www.usatoday.com
Who said anything about it being fun? The reason I use polio as an example is because people don’t complain that polio vaccine requirements are oppressing them and robbing them of their personal choice. That less than 1% of people infected with the polio virus would actually develop polio is exactly the sort of statistic that is being used to dismiss COVID-19. COVID-19 also continues to surprise. Long COVID. Negative impacts to the lungs, heart and other organs even in people who barely had any symptoms or never had any at all. Who knows if there might be a Post COVID Syndrome that comes back to haunt people. But there are safe, effective vaccines that even supposed “advocates” are spreading misinformation about.I am very familiar with Polio. My father in law had it as a child and it came back in his early 50s as Post Polio Syndrome. He has been wheel chair bound for the last 20 years and is now to the point where he needs full round the clock care. It is not a fun disease.
One of the scariest things about the kind of misinformation you share with reckless abandon is that Covid-19 was a starter pandemic.
If these are the lengths people (you) are willing to go to in order to not acknowledge reality, when a virus - like HIV - comes along that poses real scientific challenges to develop a vaccine for, we're hosed.
Ironically, the mRNA and adenovirus based vaccines are our best bets to develop a vaccine for HIV. That's part of the reason people have worked on them for as long as they have. From a safety perspective, it will be perfectly reasonable to point out that they've been around for decades. Because they have.
Its the old anti-vax stance that if we don't have an HIV vaccine yet after 40 years how can we trust a vaccine made in less than 12 months for COVID19. Its pack full of BS and lies. I'm not claiming that you're anti-vax, just that the information you're posting is coming right from the anti-vax playbook.What on God's green earth are you even talking about? I'm probably one of the most vocal pro-vaccine people here! I have been encouraging everyone (adults of consenting age) to get the Covid vaccine since a year ago.
I also need to ask... when was your last TDaP booster shot, (trade name Boostrix)?
And if you are over 50, you have completed your Shingrix cycle, haven't you?
Its the old anti-vax stance that if we don't have an HIV vaccine yet after 40 years how can we trust a vaccine made in less than 12 months for COVID19. Its pack full of BS and lies. I'm not claiming that you're anti-vax, just that the information you're posting is coming right from the anti-vax playbook.
Let me give you an analogy. Think of the COVID19 virus as a new model of car brand that you've seen for decades and a vaccine is a mechanic. The mechanic has been fixing this brand of cars for 20 years but doesn't know about the new model. All they need to do is learn about the new features and differences between the old model and they can fix the latest model. That is what we have here with the COVID19 vaccine.
Whereas the HIV virus is a completely new mode of transportation that no one has seen before and no mechanics know how to fix. And on top of that its a mode of transportation that is constantly changing so its hard to train a new mechanic when its already changed.
No one is saying that a parent can't feel apprehensive or shouldn't be informed. But at the same time the goal here is to clear up all those misunderstanding and lies about the vaccine and the virus so that a parent can make a REAL informed decision not one full of anti-vax propaganda.Ohh!!! Got it. I honestly wasn't getting it. This must be where @October82 is coming from too in his criticism of my opinion?
I'm pro-vaccine. All vaccines. I got a Covid vaccine months ago. I plan to get a booster shot at CVS soon (because I have it on good authority they aren't checking anything and are happy to just give out Covid shots to whoever wants one whenever).
That said.... None of us knew what a Covid-19 was just 20 months ago. There was no Covid-19 vaccine available to Americans until January, 2021. I can fully understand that the medical technology to create this vaccine existed prior to this particular Covid-19 strain.
Thus, I feel it is appropriate for a parent like @mickEblu to feel apprehensive about giving a Covid shot to his healthy child. That's a decision the parent should be trusted to make in my opinion for all vaccines; Covid, Measles, even Polio if there's some religious or cultural reason. But with the quick 20 month timeline of Covid-19 in our lives, a parent pausing for more information before giving new medicine to a child is completely understandable to me.
I wasn't being facetious in saying that your comments are tragic. Despite every reason to doubt your sincerity, I actually believe you.
And that doesn't make it better.
No one is saying that a parent can't feel apprehensive or shouldn't be informed. But at the same time the goal here is to clear up all those misunderstanding and lies about the vaccine and the virus so that a parent can make a REAL informed decision not one full of anti-vax propaganda.
Also if you don't want other posters calling your posts misinformation or thinking you're deep down anti-vax then maybe stop posting information right out of the anti-vax playbook.
Be that as it may, its still appropriate to correct misinformation on this topic just as you've personally tried to correct misinformation in other topics.But if anyone is getting medical or serious parenting advice from a Disneyland fan message board, then that person is an idiot.![]()
Be that as it may, its still appropriate to correct misinformation on this topic just as you've personally tried to correct misinformation in other topics.
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