Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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sullyinMT

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True...but it gives those entities who have been aligning their mitigations efforts with the CDC something to think about...and cover to loosen some...
Yes. But because we are all well aware of human behavior, I would have still preferred a target more like PA or OC, FL. Dropped for everyone, at a reasonable but high target. This honestly just drops everything all at once. It’s well intentioned but ill timed to go to this extreme.
 

Jlwise2021

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I also thought the CDC would finally say that no one needs to wear a mask outdoors, regardless of vaccine status. I had heard that new update would be coming because of the very low chance of spread happening outdoors. I’m fully vaccinated, and this news gives me hope that *maybe* no outdoor mask requirements for my family when we go to Disney - May 30-June 5. 🤞
 

Grumpy4196

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Yes. But because we are all well aware of human behavior, I would have still preferred a target more like PA or OC, FL. Dropped for everyone, at a reasonable but high target. This honestly just drops everything all at once. It’s well intentioned but ill timed to go to this extreme.
Florida Gov has already banned Vaccine Passports so how do you know when the population reaches a certain % vaccinated? Especially in areas like Orlando that have a high percentage of tourists.
 

Touchdown

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What the CDC essentially said today:

1. The vaccines protect you from getting the virus

2. Everyone over 12 has access to those vaccines now, and has only themselves to blame if they don’t at least have an appointment yet.

3. 0-11 is low risk for getting the disease

4. Case transmission is very low right now

5. With no way to accurately check for vaccinations we are going to be moving to the honor system and we know people are going to lie.

6. They lie at their own peril, with restrictions dropped the unvaccinated amongst us are going to be incredibly at risk for getting Covid and there is going to be a summer wave among them.

7. America can handle this wave, we have the capacity, and the needs of the smart outweigh the needs of the stupid. Time to prove Charles Darwin right yet again.

Bring it On I’ve been waiting for this, and I’m glad CDC pulled the trigger on this far, far earlier than I expected.
 

sullyinMT

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Florida Gov has already banned Vaccine Passports so how do you know when the population reaches a certain % vaccinated? Especially in areas like Orlando that have a high percentage of tourists.
Whether or not it’s specifically tied to an individual and verified at the turnstiles (it won’t be), the data of how many residents have been vaccinated as a raw number exists.
 

Bill in Atlanta

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Bill and Tony are not making a personal decision at all. How can it be a personal decision when it potentially affects (to the point of potentially killing) other citizens, not just us?
I was only demonstrating that there is a difference between a person deciding to use mitigation and a government agent forcing mitigation under penalty of fines or imprisonment. You agree there's a difference, right?

Also, no, there is no arguing South Florida has not been in an emergency. You may be able to say that about some parts of Florida, but not Palm Beach to Dade Counties.
As of today, 168 people in Palm Beach County (population 1,497,000) are in the hospital with Covid-19 as the primary diagnosis.
As of today, 437 people in Miami-Dade County (population 2,717,000) are in the hospital with Covid-19 as the primary diagnosis.
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I get that "emergency" is a subjective term here, but surely you can see that reasonable people could disagree on whether the above qualifies as an "emergency".

I have zero faith in individuals making the right decisions
But you do, as long as they work in government. At least that's the impression I get. And look, I try to be optimistic about our elected (and unelected) officials, but they let me down time and again. All over the country, they closed businesses that did not need to be closed.

Nope. Absolutely do not trust "business owners" as a group to make the right decision in deciding for themselves how and whether to reopen. Again, this is not hypothetical; we've seen it play out with business owners being irresponsible and causing spread. It's not even debatable. There are business owners like myself who go out of my way to protect my staff and customers. There are others who just want the almighty dollar and don't care who dies. That's where government has to step in.

Did I like being closed for two months? No. It was terrifying. It was trial by fire. But, by the time we reopened, we (society) had at least a better handle on things and I as a business owner knew what steps to take to remain reasonably safe (for everyone.)

I don't know how some businesses rationalize knowingly letting people get very ill just to make money, but if you let them self-regulate, you have worse outcomes overall, for certain.
History demonstrates that when governments amass power, bad things tend to happen. As imperfect as individuals and business owners may be, I would rather those folks have the ability to make these decisions in most cases. With that said, I'm all for government-issued guidance, and certain restrictions during emergencies.

If a business is doing reckless things (Covid-related or otherwise), the beauty of a free market is nobody is compelled to patronize that business. People vote with their pocketbooks, and generally the reckless don't make it. Are there exceptions? Of course! Is it a perfect system? Of course not! But it sure beats the heck out of a group of central planners dictating our every move and enriching themselves & their friends with special rules & exemptions.
 

LaughingGravy

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My work was citing the CDC recommendations for why we had to wear masks. There's an internal company forum that has gotten a bit ehh, argumentative with the requirement as is. This will definitely put the company at either having to, keep following CDC or choose another path. But we still don't even have our cafeteria open because people would have to line up, and exchange cash. Still no coffee machines allowed to dispense, last week we finally got our touchless water fountains back though.
Our work caf went to credit card only, insert into machine, touch nothing else with the cashier on the other side of plexiglass a while back and only does packaged stuff. I don't go in every day, but I definitely buy at least a nice warm egg and something sandwich on those days for breakfast and and a large coffee to help them stay afloat. All fixtures in work bathrooms got the touchless upgrades. We ate in a restaurant with a very spread out situation in a large space for the first time in over a year this past weekend vs. takeout. The urinal has one of those spring back spikey knobs you turn to activate the water. I seriously stared at it like I was seeing an alien...WTH is that? No way. I was surprised at how surprised I was.
 

Willmark

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Did you buy any futures?
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mmascari

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What the CDC essentially said today:

1. The vaccines protect you from getting the virus

2. Everyone over 12 has access to those vaccines now, and has only themselves to blame if they don’t at least have an appointment yet.

3. 0-11 is low risk for getting the disease

4. Case transmission is very low right now

5. With no way to accurately check for vaccinations we are going to be moving to the honor system and we know people are going to lie.

6. They lie at their own peril, with restrictions dropped the unvaccinated amongst us are going to be incredibly at risk for getting Covid and there is going to be a summer wave among them.

7. America can handle this wave, we have the capacity, and the needs of the smart outweigh the needs of the stupid. Time to prove Charles Darwin right yet again.

Bring it On I’ve been waiting for this, and I’m glad CDC pulled the trigger on this far, far earlier than I expected.

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Is it really "very low" right now?

I understand that line is trending down, wonderfully down. But, when I look to the left, it's still higher than everything prior to July 2020. It trended down some then too. Somewhere below that valley from last May would have been nice.

Now we get to see, does it stay going down, does it level off, or does it turn back up?

Is the vaccinated amount today enough to keep it trending down? It might be. Without any other mitigations, it might not be. We'll find out.

As a parent of an under 12 who mostly gave up all kinds of things over the last year and is still barely in school. Risking exposure and getting sick now would be tragic. All the more so if we did it to rush dropping everything what may be 4 weeks early and suffering a slow down.

I'll hope the trend is irreversible at this point, but I'm not going to believe it until we're under last May's numbers.

Switching that graph to Deaths, we do appear to be at the lowest daily death since this started. Still 500+ daily, so not low in the abstract, just lowest so far.
 

Patcheslee

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Our work caf went to credit card only, insert into machine, touch nothing else with the cashier on the other side of plexiglass a while back and only does packaged stuff. I don't go in every day, but I definitely buy at least a nice warm egg and something sandwich on those days for breakfast and and a large coffee to help them stay afloat. All fixtures in work bathrooms got the touchless upgrades. We ate in a restaurant with a very spread out situation in a large space for the first time in over a year this past weekend vs. takeout. The urinal has one of those spring back spikey knobs you turn to activate the water. I seriously stared at it like I was seeing an alien...WTH is that? No way. I was surprised at how surprised I was.
I wish they'd get the food service back. I haven't been eating the greatest, cause the lack of options has me burnt out. Considering I usually have to eat something every 2 hours to keep on weight, munching on whatever doesn't need heated or kept cold throughout the day just sucks.
 

LaughingGravy

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But you do, as long as they work in government. At least that's the impression I get. And look, I try to be optimistic about our elected (and unelected) officials, but they let me down time and again. All over the country, they closed businesses that did not need to be closed.


History demonstrates that when governments amass power, bad things tend to happen. As imperfect as individuals and business owners may be, I would rather those folks have the ability to make these decisions in most cases. With that said, I'm all for government-issued guidance, and certain restrictions during emergencies.

If a business is doing reckless things (Covid-related or otherwise), the beauty of a free market is nobody is compelled to patronize that business. People vote with their pocketbooks, and generally the reckless don't make it. Are there exceptions? Of course! Is it a perfect system? Of course not! But it sure beats the heck out of a group of central planners dictating our every move and enriching themselves & their friends with special rules & exemptions.
There are rules for reasons. The free market and voting with their pocketbooks to decide things is not how a society works, or at least a large part of how this society in fact doesn't work. For some things, yes, for some things no.
It can't be decided based on the reckless businesses not surviving. Look at our FDA approved ( or nearly approved with the exception of this truly emergency situation) vaccines. Then look at some of the others overseas that turned out to be crap vaccines. A lot of those people got what I'll call bogus vaccines and then more damage happened.
Look at Social Security, Medicare, the national highway system and all the other socialist programs we have. That's a LOT of government making all that happen. Add in your local services such as police, fire and ambulance, if run by the town. Without proper oversight and accountability, there will always be those in the the gov't enriching themselves and their friends with special rules and exemptions. As if it doesn't happen in the private sector...yeah not at all. [/sarc]

A lot of businesses were closed that didn't need to, but this has been an evolving situation. Some unfortunate things happened in the way of business to be sure, but still close to 600K people died. We are a much more diverse population that travels more than most and thus the spread happened as it did.
I'm confident we are in a much better place, and getting better, but I also think it's a bad idea that some people always poo poo govt anything until they need it, then it's OK.
 
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Touchdown

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Is it really "very low" right now?

I understand that line is trending down, wonderfully down. But, when I look to the left, it's still higher than everything prior to July 2020. It trended down some then too. Somewhere below that valley from last May would have been nice.

Now we get to see, does it stay going down, does it level off, or does it turn back up?

Is the vaccinated amount today enough to keep it trending down? It might be. Without any other mitigations, it might not be. We'll find out.

As a parent of an under 12 who mostly gave up all kinds of things over the last year and is still barely in school. Risking exposure and getting sick now would be tragic. All the more so if we did it to rush dropping everything what may be 4 weeks early and suffering a slow down.

I'll hope the trend is irreversible at this point, but I'm not going to believe it until we're under last May's numbers.

Switching that graph to Deaths, we do appear to be at the lowest daily death since this started. Still 500+ daily, so not low in the abstract, just lowest so far.
We weren’t testing nearly enough a year ago, I’m sure cases were higher, but you already made my biggest point, hospitalizations and deaths are at historic lows since the start of the pandemic, there will be an increase in cases, there always is when restrictions are lifted but the system should be able to absorb it, that’s the bet the CDC just made.
 

DCBaker

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"People who get their coronavirus vaccine at Winn-Dixie will be able to save money on their groceries, as the company is offering coupons for the vaccinated.

Jacksonville-based Southeastern Grocers, which also owns Harveys Supermarket and Fresco y Más, said customers and employees will get $5 off SE Grocers products after their first dose of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine and then another $10 off after the second dose. Those who get the one-shot Johnson & Johnson can get $10 off.

“In efforts to further safeguard communities during the ongoing pandemic and encourage vaccine administrations, Southeastern Grocers is now offering community incentives to individuals who receive COVID-19 vaccines in all Harveys Supermarket, Fresco y Más and Winn-Dixie in-store pharmacies,” the company said in a news release.

Elsewhere, customers who get vaccinated at CVS pharmacies will receive a 20% off shopping pass, according to spokeswoman Tara Burke. Adults who get the vaccine in CVS pharmacies that are in Target stores will receive a $5 coupon, Burke said."

 
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