Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DCBaker]

What’s the change in phase 2? Phase 3 is dropping all restrictions including masks?

Outdoor face coverings.

 

[GoofGoof]

How would you classify someone who has received the vaccine yet has concerns based on learned discussions and relevant anecdotal experience?

I would classify them as smart. Any concerns about the vaccine pale in comparison to the concerns about actual Covid infection. Unfortunately a lot of people are under the false impression that death is the only possible negative outcome with Covid so if they are in the demographic at lower risk of death they think it’s no big deal.

 

[GoofGoof]

Outdoor face coverings.

So is his comment implying that the major theme park companies will likely drop outdoor face coverings when OC hits 50% vaccinated with 1 shot. Disney still hasn’t gone down to 3 feet of distancing. I think they want to stay consistent with DLR but at some point they will not line up at all with the rest of Orlando market.

 

[Chomama]

Bewilderment I understand. I don't get the animosity.

I think there are a segment of..... vaccine hesitant..... who have had extremely bad experiences with medication and doctors. Before Covid, one of the top 3 leading causes of death was hospital mistakes. Is it REALLY so hard to believe that some people distrust the medical profession?

I hope all the hesitant find a doc they trust who encourages them to get the vaccine. I REALLY want this to be over. But I don't blame people for being nervous.

The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don't want you to know about

More than 250,000 people in the US die every year because of medical mistakes, making it the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.

www.cnbc.com

I can’t speak for anyone but myself but I wouldn’t call my feelings towards these people as animosity. It’s more frustration. It has been a very long year and we have a relatively easy way out of this thing. Other countries are being absolutely pummeled and would kill to have this much vaccine. Instead of banding together and getting Covid under control we are debating red v blue states (never even heard that before these last few years), government tracking devices and if Covid is really a big deal. I completely understand that it’s scary putting an unknown into your body. However there is a ton of accessible information out there that would put most minds at ease if the emotional manipulation of certain talking heads didn’t exist. Obviously all people who aren’t getting a vaccine yet can’t be lumped into one category. But please try to understand the frustration, however poorly communicated. People are tired.

 

[JD80]

The longer people hesitate to get a vaccine the longer it takes to get back to normal. The longer people wait, the more people that can potentially die or become a long hauler.

That's why there is animosity or frustration.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I agree that there is a difference between hesitancy and anti-vax. Most people I know who declined the COVID vaccine as of now, are fully vaccinated with all other vaccines (measles, polio, etc.) So they are not straight up anti-vaxxers.

But again, what is the root of that hesitancy? A lot of it has origins in the specious arguments put forth against vaccines in general. Being vaccinated and even getting one’s children vaccinated does not mean one is not anti-vaccines.

Great point. I would also add that it's simply wrong to vilify the hesitant group. It's hard to trust anything anyone says these days, and a lot of folks are just too busy to look into this stuff for themselves.

At this point, with millions vaccines, it’s no longer a question of trust and authority, it is the realm of conspiracy.

 

[Chomama]

But again, what is the root of that hesitancy? A lot of it has origins in the specious arguments put forth against vaccines in general. Being vaccinated and even getting one’s children vaccinated does not mean one is not anti-vaccines.


At this point, with millions vaccines, it’s no longer a question of trust and authority, it is the realm of conspiracy.

Exactly! Saying you want to see how people react last January, fine. But 150 million Americans are fully vaccinated. One in a million of those died from
Covid. Get the shot. The evidence is in

 

[Heppenheimer]

I completely understand that it’s scary putting an unknown into your body.

And this is a country that consumes more unregulated supplements, has worse drug addiction problems, and higher obesity rates than almost all of our 1st world counterparts.

 

[Heppenheimer]

But again, what is the root of that hesitancy? A lot of it has origins in the specious arguments put forth against vaccines in general. Being vaccinated and even getting one’s children vaccinated does not mean one is not anti-vaccines.


At this point, with millions vaccines, it’s no longer a question of trust and authority, it is the realm of conspiracy.

Hundreds of millions at this point.

 

[Chomama]

And this is a country that consumes more unregulated supplements, has worse drug addiction problems, and higher obesity rates than almost all of our 1st world counterparts.

Ha! Whenever people ask me why am ok vaccinating my 14 year old daughter I say - I ate American cheese pregnant. She’s fine.

 

[SamusAranX]

But again, what is the root of that hesitancy? A lot of it has origins in the specious arguments put forth against vaccines in general. Being vaccinated and even getting one’s children vaccinated does not mean one is not anti-vaccines.


At this point, with millions vaccines, it’s no longer a question of trust and authority, it is the realm of conspiracy.

It’s mainly because they are anxious about the long term. Whether we like it or not these vaccines are technically labeled as EUA and so of course naturally people sill be anxious. Show them understanding and try to win them over, not smash them over the head or assume what their reasons are

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Ha! Whenever people ask me why am ok vaccinating my 14 year old daughter I say - I ate American cheese pregnant. She’s fine.

When I was pregnant with my oldest, I craved 1% milk (which I hate normally) and Big Macs. LIKE CRAZY. I was drinking a gallon of milk a day at work.

 

[lazyboy97o]

debating red v blue states (never even heard that before these last few years)

Really? It’s from the graphics used by the media in tracking the 2000 presidential election results. It’s even backwards compared to most of the world.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It’s mainly because they are anxious about the long term. Whether we like it or not these vaccines are technically labeled as EUA and so of course naturally people sill be anxious. Show them understanding and try to win them over, not smash them over the head or assume what their reasons are

“We don’t know the long term effects” is a major anti-vaccine talking point.

 

[Figgy1]

down side?

25-30-% short of where the safe zone.

Orlando is almost entirely tourism dependent. So it should be 95%

do I have to fly down there with charts and a laser pointer to explain it??

...cause I will.

You'll have every cat in the area glued to it

 

[Incomudro]

It’s mainly because they are anxious about the long term. Whether we like it or not these vaccines are technically labeled as EUA and so of course naturally people sill be anxious. Show them understanding and try to win them over, not smash them over the head or assume what their reasons are

And they'll use that position to point out other things that the government has told people was safe in the past (the air around ground zero after 9/11 is a common one that I see) that have turned out to be not safe, or were even outright lies.

 

[Patcheslee]

Just talking to DD12 about her comfort level with reduced distancing at Uni. Her thought is "as long as I can still wear a mask, I just don't want to get sick", no issue with that of course right now, and I doubt it will be an issue if she feels better still wearing one if requirement is dropped. FYI her only memory of being really sick was probably 6 years ago and is still traumatized by the vomiting. I finally told her Pfizer is being reviewed for 12-15 age next week, so she may be able to get started before we go depending on what the state says and appointments. She says she'll listen to the radio in the mornings and text me if they open it lol.
I'm gonna owe her a Starbucks for being so adult about it.

 

[Chomama]

Just talking to DD12 about her comfort level with reduced distancing at Uni. Her thought is "as long as I can still wear a mask, I just don't want to get sick", no issue with that of course right now, and I doubt it will be an issue if she feels better still wearing one if requirement is dropped. FYI her only memory of being really sick was probably 6 years ago and is still traumatized by the vomiting. I finally told her Pfizer is being reviewed for 12-15 age next week, so she may be able to get started before we go depending on what the state says and appointments. She says she'll listen to the radio in the mornings and text me if they open it lol.
I'm gonna owe her a Starbucks for being so adult about it.

It’s amazing how kids have responded to all of this. We could learn a lot from them

 

[Chomama]

Really? It’s from the graphics used by the media in tracking the 2000 presidential election results. It’s even backwards compared to most of the world.

I guess that’s accurate but it seems to have become a part of every day conversation that it wasn’t before. At least in my area! Just my own experience so could be others were already arguing all the time. I have just seen it pick up a lot around us, especially around Covid.

 

[SamusAranX]

“We don’t know the long term effects” is a major anti-vaccine talking point.

Not for normal people. It’s easy for their mind to say “well of course I’ll take a polio vaccine it’s been out for decades and proven safe time and again” or “of course I will take the MMR, I got it twenty five years ago as a child and will have my kids take it”.

but they see a “new” vaccine and naturally get anxious. It’s a human thing. Doesn’t mean they’re correct (as we know mRNA has been under research for ten plus years). But it’s a natural worry that can be overcome with patient understanding, not the condescending assumptions you make.