SpoiledBlueMilk
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Also - you don't generally want to hire someone who was with Weinstein and Co and has a large social footprint that can attract attention like a fly on manure when you're in litigation with a Weinstein victim.
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Iger and Chapek Livid With Lucasfilm
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Dragonman
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The fandom menace isn’t against strong female leads. They’re against poorly written/shoehorned in and agenda driven characters.
UNCgolf
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"Agenda driven" is where you lose anyone who's actually thinking critically. Saying something is agenda driven is meaningless unless they specifically came out and said "we put this character in for this specific agenda!" which no one has done. It's basically just you projecting something onto the writing because you didn't like it. And I don't even like the sequel trilogy! But it has nothing to do with an "agenda" by Lucasfilm or the writers.
Funny how they tend to know when a character is poorly written and shoehorned even before the movie comes out.
Well, when asked, she cannot tell you her favorite Star Wars movie or answer basic questions about the franchise. Kennedy had said that she wanted female directors who were fans of the property. She has a track record of hiring people because they are the current golden goose but there are plenty of talented female directors. I would love to see Roxanne Dawson helm a SW series as one example.
I disagree. There was a clear agenda to trash the older films in order to promote the new hotness. The old cast ended up as pathetic failures. Disney definitely wanted to stamp a new label on Star Wars and make fresh for the new generation. It is clear from the writing that they felt the need to pander in order to attract the 18-35 crowd and increase the percentage of female fans. This seemed to please the twitterati but otherwise failed to expand the fan base as seen in the decreasing box office. In fact, it shows that the stories they decided to tell actively shrunk the base.
They needed films that appealed to the average 7-12 year old and their parents. Those are the groups, along with older fans, that would have spent money and making a 7-12 year old fan is a new lifetime fan. The 18-35 group may make noise on twiiter but they will move to the next thing and forget about Star Wars.
There was a clear agenda. It was not gender, race, orientation based except in that those are things that they believe are important to the base that they hoped would become new, permanent fans. It was a failure but they were going for a demographic shift.
Kennedy seems to still want to pursue those failed policies. She is just not making smart decisions about the franchise and I think that she does not really understand the property.
Tom P.
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I would like to see Ron Moore get a shot at Star Wars. But, then again, I'd prefer to see Ron Moore given the keys to the Trek universe.
Sirwalterraleigh
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I think what he did with bsg suits Star Wars.
I think the key difference between the OT and what followed was - other than Ewoks - I never felt like the OT Was treating anyone in the audience like they were stupid.
The gags in the prequels...and the stupid schtick in the Disney movies treat people like they’re fools. You can have a fantasy movie with humor and not treat people like they should be embarrassed to be watching.
I think a guy like Moore could set a better tone and then ease back if it’s needed.
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asianway
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No one made decisions on Holdo or Rose before TLJ came out. Though In hindsight the purple hair was a red flag
Oh, but boy, did they go on and on about Rey.
I don't remember that. I remember TFA being insanely popular and Rey being insanely popular. It wasn't until after TLJ that I noticed a major change.
asianway
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I had no problems with Rey. Only the Rian “you’re a nobody” part but JJ Retconned that
UNCgolf
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Ugh, the "you're a nobody" part was one of the only really good things in Last Jedi. Worst thing to retcon; making her related to one of the existing characters just makes her boring.
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UNCgolf
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There were a lot of complaints about Rey being a terrible Mary Sue after Force Awakens. They definitely intensified after Last Jedi, but they were relatively widespread even after Force Awakens (you can still find mainstream media articles post-Force Awakens but pre-Last Jedi debunking the claim).
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SpoiledBlueMilk
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True. What always got me about those complaints is that they ignored the same aspects about Luke. I mean, the kid flew T-16's on Tatooine and had no formal training, but he's given the keys to a shiny new X-Wing and on his first actual space flight (which was also his first military engagement) just happens to be helped by the Force so well he single handedly blows up the Empire's most potent weapon and heavily guarded secret with one shot while more experienced pilots die all around him. Then he spends, what, a week? With Yoda and is able to handle himself against Vader in Bespin after never really even sparring with someone with the weapon or getting training in any of the forms of lightsaber combat.
Just saying.....Rey might be a Mary Sue, but lord knows, she isn't the first.
ImperfectPixie
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Not to mention that in A New Hope, Luke was kind of an annoying little whiny boy.
ETA: Don't shoot me! I love the OT!
Imagineer45
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After TFA, Rey was pretty well received. The only character the consensus thought to be underwhelming was Phasma. People only started turning on Rey in TLJ, partially/primarily because she had no genetic connection to anyone, and subsequently in ROS when revisionist history made everything a mess.
Actually, the entire film was pretty well received. Yes, there were a couple of disgruntled fans, but they were in such a minority. TFA has gained a much worse reputation since the release of TLJ and ROS because of how fans perceive the entire trilogy.
asianway
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TLJ has two visually stunning scenes, the rest was steaming crap
flynnibus
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