Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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rowrbazzle

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It still seems to be an outlier. So I can see a scenario down the road where the other parts of the country are opened up prior to NYC. Others don’t have the same issues around population density, etc. Of course, variables such as travel must be considered. And NYC is a major major component to the country in general.

I do think NY is an outlier. The infection and death rates are more than double any other state except NJ. But it might be able to reopen sooner, as it's expected to peak sooner than a lot of other states. Of course, the peak is much higher so that's not necessarily a good thing.
 
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Lilofan

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To be fair, they didn't quote any executives or say who are the ones complaining. This type of reporting is hearsay at best.
I would figure it to be the every day worker from management on down making less than 100K who would be complaining as those are the ones without the huge bank accounts to fund their mortgages and car payments for months on end.
Does one really think an executive making six figures will be quoted by name and will still be employed?
 

note2001

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Does one really think an executive making six figures will be quoted by name and will still be employed?
Point was that they're not the ones complaining. They may be complaining on behalf of the lower paid folk, but I doubt they're doing it for selfish reasons.
 

trainplane3

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Google on it - except the MK is only a pin.......

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I tried to have this removed multiple times only for Google to keep denying my request. I stopped caring.
 

flynnibus

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Man... the reporting standards are pretty pathetic these days... From the real story (the Hollywood Reporter)

"But those familiar with the new reductions — 20 percent for vps, 25 percent for senior vps and 30 percent for executive vps — note that the bulk of Iger and Chapek’s compensation will remain untouched because the cuts only apply to their base salaries. In the case of Chapek, his base is $2.5 million, but his annual target bonus is $7.5 million and his annual long-term incentive grant is $15 million. "

Uhh.. does anyone think they are hitting targets for bonuses this year? Or anyone paid attention to the stock prices?
 

GoofGoof

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If someone cuts your pay 20-30% you aren’t going to be happy no matter how much you make. It doesn’t mean they are saying they are worse off than an hourly employee being furloughed but it still sucks. I can also see why not having an end date would be a point of contention. Nobody has an end date but at least when the parks open most of the hourly CMs will be back to work but they have no obligation to bring VPs pay back up at the same time. Again, these people aren‘t going to starve but it’s still reasonable to be unhappy about it.
 

ImperfectPixie

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If someone cuts your pay 20-30% you aren’t going to be happy no matter how much you make. It doesn’t mean they are saying they are worse off than an hourly employee being furloughed but it still sucks. I can also see why not having an end date would be a point of contention. Nobody has an end date but at least when the parks open most of the hourly CMs will be back to work but they have no obligation to bring VPs pay back up at the same time. Again, these people aren‘t going to starve but it’s still reasonable to be unhappy about it.
Just like it's reasonable to be disappointed about a canceled Disney trip. :)
 

monykalyn

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The general public wearing masks isn‘t to keep you from getting infected it is intended to keep you from infecting others. If they have some other way to effectively ensure infected people aren’t in the parks and restaurants at all then they have to assume everyone (even people with no symptoms) are infected and need them all to wear a mask to keep from infecting others. Eating is not a problem as long as the tables are spaced out.
Right so go through how that would work: walk in with mask on, order with mask on (and waitstaff with masks, chefs with masks (in a HOT kitchen- no issues with sweat there!), take mask off to eat- where to put it? And that still isn’t addressing profitability of less patrons/tables means way less revenue.
 

Lilofan

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Right so go through how that would work: walk in with mask on, order with mask on (and waitstaff with masks, chefs with masks (in a HOT kitchen- no issues with sweat there!), take mask off to eat- where to put it? And that still isn’t addressing profitability of less patrons/tables means way less revenue.
The merchandising and costuming depts are probably putting their thinking caps on before getting furloughed on guest and cast face mask ideas. Technically, once an employee is furloughed, that person should not be working in any way shape or form with the company that furloughed them.
 

GoofGoof

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Right so go through how that would work: walk in with mask on, order with mask on (and waitstaff with masks, chefs with masks (in a HOT kitchen- no issues with sweat there!), take mask off to eat- where to put it? And that still isn’t addressing profitability of less patrons/tables means way less revenue.
Fair questions. I don’t really know how it would work, only some possible scenarios. I would assume CMs will be tested regularly (maybe daily) and anyone positive would be sent home for quarantine. They wouldn’t need to wear masks then, except for Mickey;) Wait staff or others with direct guest contact may need to wear masks too if deemed necessary. Another possibility is a tablet or pad is left on the table and you order that way or through the app. Food runners that bring the plates out would still need masks. Again, one possibility. The other option is testing all the guests too then everyone in the bubble is clean and can interact at will, but I find that less likely to happen.

As far as profitability they will likely make less money per guest when this opens again no matter the plan. There will be major cost cuts too. If the preliminary plans shared a while ago on the main page are true they will have no large gatherings so no parades, fireworks, large shows, etc. The restaurants will have less people because of tables spaced further apart. It won’t be perfect or normal but I think a lot of people will feel that even an altered experience is better than none.
 

Lilofan

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Fair questions. I don’t really know how it would work, only some possible scenarios. I would assume CMs will be tested regularly (maybe daily) and anyone positive would be sent home for quarantine. They wouldn’t need to wear masks then, except for Mickey;) Wait staff or others with direct guest contact may need to wear masks too if deemed necessary. Another possibility is a tablet or pad is left on the table and you order that way or through the app. Food runners that bring the plates out would still need masks. Again, one possibility. The other option is testing all the guests too then everyone in the bubble is clean and can interact at will, but I find that less likely to happen.

As far as profitability they will likely make less money per guest when this opens again no matter the plan. There will be major cost cuts too. If the preliminary plans shared a while ago on the main page are true they will have no large gatherings so no parades, fireworks, large shows, etc. The restaurants will have less people because of tables spaced further apart. It won’t be perfect or normal but I think a lot of people will feel that even an altered experience is better than none.
Less tables in a dining area is an financial nightmare for Disney, the waiters, and a big let down for the guests trying to secure a reservation if the dining facility is very popular.
 

celluloid

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Less tables in a dining area is an financial nightmare for Disney, the waiters, and the guests trying to secure a reservation if the dining facility is very popular.


To the earlier posts: Great ideas in theory but It would just be optics for food and beverage because you are no more likely to get it at a place of food than anywhere else if hygeine is practiced. (we know food often does not the way it should, but standards are higher there than gift shops and ride vehicles/queues/buildings)
Tests are not going to ever be common place enough to be affordable to test daily the entire working crew of The Walt Disney Parks and Resorts.
And at that point the quick service areas would be a nightmare as well. Often those tables are pretty close together. Nothing would be grab and go or self serve either.
Which at that point is a moot endaveur because all gift shops would have to have no items on display and touch screens around the resort would certainly be out of the question. If things are that extreme, you can forget ride preshows being a thing, and a lot of attractions revolve on them being a part of the operation besides the storytelling. Speaking of operation, transit. Monorail and Buses would not be able to carry passengers to the magic kingdom with any sort of efficiency even if attendance was at 1/5th.
It is just going to have to get to a point where it is under some control where people don't fear it as much for it to operate.
Hopefully in the next months.
 
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KaliSplash

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There is no question that when it bleeds, it leads. But I would point out in the Kobe Bryant story, and all other breaking news stories, it's not unusual at all for officials to change their stories as they learn more information. Thus, what the reporters report early in a breaking story is subject to change. Also, eyewitnesses that reporters talk with may not have had a clear view of the entire event, thus something they felt was important as they talked with a reporter, may later turn out to be a minor aspect of the story. Just the nature of "breaking" news.
 

DCBaker

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"Rice University engineers are building a prototype of a ventilator using 3-D printed parts and hobby-store materials for possible use by coronavirus patients in dire need of breathing machines."

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"The ventilator the Rice engineering team is building has 80% of the functionality of a full-size ventilator, he said, and could be used for the less severely ill."

 

Lilofan

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To the earlier posts: Great ideas in theory but It would just be optics for food and beverage because you are no more likely to get it at a place of food than anywhere else if hygeine is practiced. (we know food often does not the way it should, but standards are higher there than gift shops and ride vehicles/queues/buildings)
Tests are not going to ever be common place enough to be affordable to test daily the entire working crew of The Walt Disney Parks and Resorts.
And at that point the quick service areas would be a nightmare as well. Often those tables are pretty close together. Nothing would be grab and go or self serve either.
Which at that point is a moot endaveur because all gift shops would have to have no items on display and touch screens around the resort would certainly be out of the question. If things are that extreme, you can forget ride preshows being a thing, and a lot of attractions revolve on them being a part of the operation besides the storytelling. Speaking of operation, transit. Monorail and Buses would not be able to carry passengers to the magic kingdom with any sort of efficiency even if attendance was at 1/5th.
It is just going to have to get to a point where it is under some control where people don't fear it as much for it to operate.
Hopefully in the next months.
If one is at WDW during the rainy season, it can rain sometimes in sudden downpours 3-5 times a day. And what do all of us do while in the park?? We crowd into the restrooms, merchandise stores, attractions, dining areas squeezed like sardines alongside other fellow guests to escape the sudden rain storm. Not a good example of social distancing.
 

JoeCamel

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If one is at WDW during the rainy season, it can rain sometimes in sudden downpours 3-5 times a day. And what do all of us do while in the park?? We crowd into the restrooms, merchandise stores, attractions, dining areas squeezed like sardines alongside other fellow guests to escape the sudden rain storm. Not a good example of social distancing.


Simple, train the gators don't kill them

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celluloid

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If one is at WDW during the rainy season, it can rain sometimes in sudden downpours 3-5 times a day. And what do all of us do while in the park?? We crowd into the restrooms, merchandise stores, attractions, dining areas squeezed like sardines alongside other fellow guests to escape the sudden rain storm. Not a good example of social distancing.

And in the lightning codes, CMs cannot ask you to remain outside. You can by choice, but you cannot be directed/instructed to remain in an outoor queue or area
 

GoofGoof

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Less tables in a dining area is an financial nightmare for Disney, the waiters, and a big let down for the guests trying to secure a reservation if the dining facility is very popular.
To the earlier posts: Great ideas in theory but It would just be optics for food and beverage because you are no more likely to get it at a place of food than anywhere else if hygeine is practiced. (we know food often does not the way it should, but standards are higher there than gift shops and ride vehicles/queues/buildings)
Tests are not going to ever be common place enough to be affordable to test daily the entire working crew of The Walt Disney Parks and Resorts.
And at that point the quick service areas would be a nightmare as well. Often those tables are pretty close together. Nothing would be grab and go or self serve either.
Which at that point is a moot endaveur because all gift shops would have to have no items on display and touch screens around the resort would certainly be out of the question. If things are that extreme, you can forget ride preshows being a thing, and a lot of attractions revolve on them being a part of the operation besides the storytelling. Speaking of operation, transit. Monorail and Buses would not be able to carry passengers to the magic kingdom with any sort of efficiency even if attendance was at 1/5th.
It is just going to have to get to a point where it is under some control where people don't fear it as much for it to operate.
Hopefully in the next months.
The modified park experience was not my idea. Comes from here:

The mask thing is new. Who knows how long it will last. By the time the parks open they could be back out of the suggestions. The long and short of it is they want to open right away it won’t be business as usual. If they don’t want to have a modified park experience then we could be looking at months before they come back :(
 
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