News Crazy fight in Toontown

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TP2000

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Darkbeer1 said:
To be fair, I was at the Downtown LA Target last weekend around 11 PM, and saw a security team exit the store, grab a shoplifter (presumably), placed him in a security hold (one arm held behind his back), and then the three (some plain clothed, other in security/loss prevention shirts) forced him back into the store, presumably to the holding area for the police. I was near the exit door and just stepped to the side to get out of the way. Glad to see it. So it can be done. I presume that Target had the video evidence prior to deciding to grab him.

As I understand it, they can go after someone if they remain on private property, such as the entrance area or parking lot. Once the suspect touches a public sidewalk or street, they can't pursue, or have to let go of the suspect.
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It's not just Target.

I was walking towards the front doors of Nordstrom at South Coast Plaza this past Christmas. A shady looking character exited at a slow run, and right behind him was an undercover security guy with a radio thing in his ear. The shady guy had gotten 10 yards out the door and was jogging down the sidewalk towards the parking lot, but the muscular security guy physically grabbed him by the shoulders, spun him around and muscled him right back into the store. The shady guy looked deflated, and he was hauled into a side door and into a back room. I have no doubt he was prosecuted for shoplifting.

I smirked and kept walking into Nordstrom and shopped and ate there for the next two hours, feeling quite safe.

Any company that claims their employees can't protect their property or their fellow employees from criminality, or in this case their customers from violent thugs, is not a company that has a moral compass.
 
TP2000

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Sir_Cliff said:
I thought Disney was increasingly concerned about the possibility of serious incidents occurring at the parks, but this suggests it would be every man, woman, and child for themselves if anything ever happened.
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Yes, that's exactly what we've been shown here.

Violent men start beating up women, and multiple managers and security guards show up and do absolutely nothing about it. The paid CM's stand around, talking into their radios and tapping at their iPhones and staring at the injured women laying on the ground and ignoring the violence playing out, while paying customers are left to fend for themselves and hopefully a few other men who paid to get in can put their own lives in danger as they try to contain the violence.

This shows us that whatever "concern" Disneyland pretends to have for the safe operation of the park is purely cosmetic and tissue-paper thin. The management and security teams are clearly trained to simply stand there and stare and do practically nothing. It's really shameful, especially because it was mostly men beating up women.

So what happens when something bigger and more violent happens? I can only guess that instead of standing there staring, the management and security teams would just run away and let the customers fend for themselves.
 
PorterRedkey

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TROR said:
This is disgusting for so many reasons. There needs to be a way to keep trash out of the park. Honestly I wonder how effective a modest dress code would be.
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Don’t judge a book by it’s cover. There didn’t seem to be any thing wrong with how the guy dressed, it was how he was beating on women. Abusers come in all shapes and sizes, so I’m not sure about your point. How would a dress code work?
 
PorterRedkey

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TP2000 said:
That Janitor guy makes the Disneyland starting wage of $15 an hour. Disneyland starts their security guards at $16.60 an hour. It's not Google pay rates, but it's much higher than minimum wage. https://parksjobs.disneycareers.com/job/anaheim/security-part-time/1678/11965483

How much do you have to be paid to stop a woman from being beat up by her boyfriend in public?

All those men who stopped the fight were Disneyland customers who had actually paid money to get in to Disneyland, while Disneyland employees being paid to be there stood around staring at the injured and were "contacting their boss". :rolleyes:

Although, I do imagine that the demographic involved here gave some of those CM's pause when it was time to step in, and they elected not to step in lest they be branded a racist the next day on network TV. I can't blame them for that. But this just went on for so long and was so egregious, you would think basic human decency would eventually override their mandatory HR diversity training. Maybe Disneyland's HR team is proud of that?
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Why would they be branded racist for breaking up a fight? That makes no sense to me.
 
lazyboy97o

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Darkbeer1 said:
To be fair, I was at the Downtown LA Target last weekend around 11 PM, and saw a security team exit the store, grab a shoplifter (presumably), placed him in a security hold (one arm held behind his back), and then the three (some plain clothed, other in security/loss prevention shirts) forced him back into the store, presumably to the holding area for the police. I was near the exit door and just stepped to the side to get out of the way. Glad to see it. So it can be done. I presume that Target had the video evidence prior to deciding to grab him.

As I understand it, they can go after someone if they remain on private property, such as the entrance area or parking lot. Once the suspect touches a public sidewalk or street, they can't pursue, or have to let go of the suspect.
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Target is one of the very very few companies that has assumed the liability and related costs to authorize their security staff to do takedowns. It’s a significant cost that most places are not willing to pay.
 
PorterRedkey

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This is the worst fight I had seen at the parks! It is disgusting that this man was allowed to beat on women -MULTIPLE TIMES!

There seemed to many lulls in the fight where CMs could have stepped in and tried to deescalate the situation and separated the quarreling parties. The fact there were multiple altercations is tragic. This should have been stopped after the first punches flew. It makes me sad. 😔

I will be e-mailing Disney with a copy of the video and letter voicing my concerns.
I have wdw guest communications email, does anyone have the DL email?
What points should I include in my letter?
 
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SOOMIN

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That video made me very sad.
These poor children. Their special day at Disney ruined.
Even more so what were they going home to?
If someone can act like that in public what an earth will they do behind closed doors?
 
Tony the Tigger

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TP2000 said:
Yes, that's exactly what we've been shown here.

Violent men start beating up women, and multiple managers and security guards show up and do absolutely nothing about it. The paid CM's stand around, talking into their radios and tapping at their iPhones and staring at the injured women laying on the ground and ignoring the violence playing out, while paying customers are left to fend for themselves and hopefully a few other men who paid to get in can put their own lives in danger as they try to contain the violence.

This shows us that whatever "concern" Disneyland pretends to have for the safe operation of the park is purely cosmetic and tissue-paper thin. The management and security teams are clearly trained to simply stand there and stare and do practically nothing. It's really shameful, especially because it was mostly men beating up women.

So what happens when something bigger and more violent happens? I can only guess that instead of standing there staring, the management and security teams would just run away and let the customers fend for themselves.
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Just stop.

I don’t expect some DL CM to put themselves in harm’s way for a paycheck unless that’s their specifically defined job.
 
Californian Elitist

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Some of ya’ll are dramatic AF.

-The entire state of California is not somehow not super dangerous because of a fight breaking out at Disneyland.

-SoCal is not some big, scary place with bad people hanging around, though the Klan seems to be established in Orange County.

-A suit and tie and a dress is not going to automatically change behavior. I distinctly remember letting out a few bad words with my friends in my 1950’s birdie dress on Dapper Day last year.

I will admit Disney security and involvement with irate guests are both trash. They teach you not to do anything, but I never listened to that when I was a CM. I broke up an argument on my own, got called a b**** for it, and kept it moving. Physical fights are different, but breaking up an argument is not rocket science. But they don’t even want CMs doing that.

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Stevek

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Starting to hit the local news channels now. Family members not cooperating...what a surprise.

“Anaheim police responded and interviewed family members.

But officers say none of the victims was cooperative - and they were escorted from the park.

Police became aware of the video Sunday, and say they are now pursuing a criminal case.”
 
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