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mergatroid

mergatroid

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larryz said:
Under Florida law, Title XLVI, Chapter 893(6)(a) A person may not be in actual or constructive possession of a controlled substance unless such controlled substance was lawfully obtained from a practitioner or pursuant to a valid prescription or order of a practitioner while acting in the course of his or her professional practice or to be in actual or constructive possession of a controlled substance except as otherwise authorized by this chapter. A person who violates this provision commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

How are you going to prove you obtained them legally without a prescription label?

Hey, I'm not a lawyer, but I can see from that language that if I'm carrying around controlled substances, that if I don't want to risk a lengthy detention or arrest, I'd better have a prescription label on me for each controlled drug I'm carrying.
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The drugs I take are prescribed by a doctor in the UK (though lower strength cocodomal can be bought over the counter here). I always travel with Trihex and have them in my hand luggage and always have them in the bottle they came in (though cocodomal just comes in strips). At HHN I put 3 Trihex in a tablet container as it's easier to carry than a bottle containing 100 or so. I've always worked on the assumption that if I was selling drugs hidden in a tablet bottle with a false label on, that it would appear more likely if I had 100 of them than if I had just 3. So a tablet container designed for that very purpose has always been my go to whenever I'm out and about over a period when I need to take my medication.

To be honest I'm more than happy to answer questions about my medication to anyone and to those meeting me it's pretty obvious I have a disability. I was more upset that the security man seemed to assume that because he hadn't heard of my condition or medication, that I was trying to make him look foolish when I was just politely answering his questions in a calm, friendly manner. I know I have a British accent but I've not got a posh, condescending one but rather a Mancunian accent probably very similar to Martin off this forum.

To then have him refer to me as "this handicap" blew my mind and 10 minutes later as I was walking (badly with dystonia) around the park I had to stop as I was laughing so hard thinking back to how unbelievably un pc it was. I don't expect others to understand why I was laughing but it kind of reminded me of something Basil Faulty would say in the tv show 'Faulty Towers' whilst genuinely having no real idea (or just not caring) how offensive he was being.

When I come later this year I'll perhaps bring 2 bottles with me, a full one and an empty one. When going out I'll put 3 tablets in the empty one. To be honest though there are no 'good effects' from these tablets so why anyone would take 3 of them for recreational purposes is beyond me? If a cop thought they were something else then I'm assuming a label on the bottle could be easily faked and he'd want more proof than that, though what proof that would be I can't imagine?
 
larryz

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
mergatroid said:
The drugs I take are prescribed by a doctor in the UK (though lower strength cocodomal can be bought over the counter here). I always travel with Trihex and have them in my hand luggage and always have them in the bottle they came in (though cocodomal just comes in strips). At HHN I put 3 Trihex in a tablet container as it's easier to carry than a bottle containing 100 or so. I've always worked on the assumption that if I was selling drugs hidden in a tablet bottle with a false label on, that it would appear more likely if I had 100 of them than if I had just 3. So a tablet container designed for that very purpose has always been my go to whenever I'm out and about over a period when I need to take my medication.

To be honest I'm more than happy to answer questions about my medication to anyone and to those meeting me it's pretty obvious I have a disability. I was more upset that the security man seemed to assume that because he hadn't heard of my condition or medication, that I was trying to make him look foolish when I was just politely answering his questions in a calm, friendly manner. I know I have a British accent but I've not got a posh, condescending one but rather a Mancunian accent probably very similar to Martin off this forum.

To then have him refer to me as "this handicap" blew my mind and 10 minutes later as I was walking (badly with dystonia) around the park I had to stop as I was laughing so hard thinking back to how unbelievably un pc it was. I don't expect others to understand why I was laughing but it kind of reminded me of something Basil Faulty would say in the tv show 'Faulty Towers' whilst genuinely having no real idea (or just not caring) how offensive he was being.

When I come later this year I'll perhaps bring 2 bottles with me, a full one and an empty one. When going out I'll put 3 tablets in the empty one. To be honest though there are no 'good effects' from these tablets so why anyone would take 3 of them for recreational purposes is beyond me? If a cop thought they were something else then I'm assuming a label on the bottle could be easily faked and he'd want more proof than that, though what proof that would be I can't imagine?
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It appears anything that can be abused will be... researching around your situation indicated that trihex is being abused in the US, along with anything containing codeine.

I assumed you're a sophisticated traveler, but as you saw in the responses, not everyone realizes how strict the local police have become when it comes to drug abuse... I think carrying your pills in an original script bottle is a good idea... the article from the NYT recommends carrying a letter from your doctor spelling out specifically what you've been prescribed... yeah, any documentation can be faked, but the police base their decisions on the preponderance of evidence in determining likely abuse... you've got a UK passport, the pill bottle, a letter from a doctor, and you're visibly symptomatic... I can't imagine you'd be detained any longer than a simple questioning.

And yeah, I wish there was video of your encounter on YouTube... that security guard would be the guest star in "How To Get Fired."
 
mergatroid

mergatroid

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larryz said:
It appears anything that can be abused will be... researching around your situation indicated that trihex is being abused in the US, along with anything containing codeine.

I assumed you're a sophisticated traveler, but as you saw in the responses, not everyone realizes how strict the local police have become when it comes to drug abuse... I think carrying your pills in an original script bottle is a good idea... the article from the NYT recommends carrying a letter from your doctor spelling out specifically what you've been prescribed... yeah, any documentation can be faked, but the police base their decisions on the preponderance of evidence in determining likely abuse... you've got a UK passport, the pill bottle, a letter from a doctor, and you're visibly symptomatic... I can't imagine you'd be detained any longer than a simple questioning.

And yeah, I wish there was video of your encounter on YouTube... that security guard would be the guest star in "How To Get Fired."
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I actually have a letter from my doctor which I tend to use to guarantee me an aisle seat on the aircraft so my right arm can dangle in the aisle (9 hours with dystonia can be hard if my arm can't stretch). I'll carry that with me whenever I take my medication with me from now on along with my tablet bottle and passport.

Thanks for the advice, who'd have thought taking 3 tablets could be so much hassle (potentially). I'm also a little upset that taking trihexyphenidyl can be abused, I was once on 30 a day and got absolutely no buzz from them whatsoever, ah well such is life ;)
 
Chef Mickey

Chef Mickey

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LittleBuford said:
As an academic, I'm not so sure. Knowing a great deal about a specialised topic really doesn't make you smart in the larger sense.
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The topic of their schooling likely isn't what makes them smarter. It's the fact they stuck to something 4 years for a greater benefit that brings me to the conclusion.

Again, this analysis is based a large number...definitely not specific anecdotal data.

If you had to bet everything on it, would you say the IQ of 4 year college educated people in a general sense is higher or lower than the group without? I think it's an easy answer. Very hard to measure , but some things just make sense.
 
jaklgreen

jaklgreen

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Chef Mickey said:
The topic of their schooling likely isn't what makes them smarter. It's the fact they stuck to something 4 years for a greater benefit that brings me to the conclusion.

Again, this analysis is based a large number...definitely not specific anecdotal data.

If you had to bet everything on it, would you say the IQ of 4 year college educated people in a general sense is higher or lower than the group without? I think it's an easy answer. Very hard to measure , but some things just make sense.
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Although I understand what you are saying, I think that there are way too many exceptions to the rule. Many brilliant people do not do well in school, it is too easy and boring for them. If this way 40 years ago, then yes, the college bound are usually smarter. But now, a much higher percentage of people go to college because many jobs require a degree now. Either you are a smart person or you are not. You are born the way you are. And just because someone has a high IQ, does not guarantee any kind of common sense, which is better then any degree.
 
Chef Mickey

Chef Mickey

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jaklgreen said:
Although I understand what you are saying, I think that there are way too many exceptions to the rule. Many brilliant people do not do well in school, it is too easy and boring for them. If this way 40 years ago, then yes, the college bound are usually smarter. But now, a much higher percentage of people go to college because many jobs require a degree now. Either you are a smart person or you are not. You are born the way you are. And just because someone has a high IQ, does not guarantee any kind of common sense, which is better then any degree.
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Those are still exceptions and the average I’m referring to completely overwhelms anyone “brilliant.” Brilliance is still rare and does nothing to change the average.

Overall, people will be smarter on average with degrees and I stick by that.

This is a rabbit hole anyway. My main point was have fun at Disney and don’t argue with authority when you have none.
 
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draybook

draybook

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jaklgreen said:
Although I understand what you are saying, I think that there are way too many exceptions to the rule. Many brilliant people do not do well in school, it is too easy and boring for them. If this way 40 years ago, then yes, the college bound are usually smarter. But now, a much higher percentage of people go to college because many jobs require a degree now. Either you are a smart person or you are not. You are born the way you are. And just because someone has a high IQ, does not guarantee any kind of common sense, which is better then any degree.
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I second this. I was always advanced in school. However, I was also bored and uninterested. Matter of fact, I barely passed 5th grade with high D's and low C's. However, the principal told my parents I should skip 6th grade and go to 7th. They questioned him why and he said because I wasn't challenged. They said that there was enough finished homework I had left in my locker and in my desk to have made B's. I just wasn't "feeling it". With math, I always did it in my head so they would give me trouble about not working it out on paper.

Anyhow, I absolutely agree with you about the current state of some of those holding degrees. One of my former supervisors has a degree and he walks around chewing on his tongue like Odie.
 
note2001

note2001

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Meh - Disney security is all bark no bite.
TSA however... I was whacked hard by a female agent as I went to catch my son's stuffed bunny that was falling from the conveyor belt onto the nasty floor after she dumped his backpack out haphazardly. Was yelled at too, but words don't sting as bad as a flying fist.
 
I am Timmy

I am Timmy

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On my way in to AK last Dec. in the early AM, I had female security going through my bag, squinting badly since the sun was waaay up and bright! I asked if she could see, she said well enough, but it will get better. I asked her why she wasn't wearing sunglasses, she said they aren't allowed to so their vision won't be impaired looking into the bags. However, scanning left to right, every single other security officer was wearing sunglasses. Is that a steadfast rule that everyone was ignoring? Sure, sunglasses are dark and may inhibit full vision, but so would the sun.
 
jaklgreen

jaklgreen

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I am Timmy said:
On my way in to AK last Dec. in the early AM, I had female security going through my bag, squinting badly since the sun was waaay up and bright! I asked if she could see, she said well enough, but it will get better. I asked her why she wasn't wearing sunglasses, she said they aren't allowed to so their vision won't be impaired looking into the bags. However, scanning left to right, every single other security officer was wearing sunglasses. Is that a steadfast rule that everyone was ignoring? Sure, sunglasses are dark and may inhibit full vision, but so would the sun.
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If they wear polarized sunglasses, they can actually see quite clearly. That is what I use and it actually makes things a bit clearer.
 
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Moresmapdi

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Chef Mickey said:
I'm just as snarky, but the problem with butting heads with security or any authority is you'll always lose if they come back at you.

The fact you said "No" sternly and that was that is just a lucky interaction. The next time, you may have a power trip guy that chooses to take you aside and call you a security threat. You have no power. They can at minimum ruin your day and maybe your entire trip.

It's just like getting into it with regular police officers or TSA agents. You're probably more educated, smarter, and maybe even in the right, but it's just not worth fighting with them because it's a losing battle...especially in the near term. You just want to get in the parks and start having fun, get on the plane to your destination, or drive to wherever you want to go.

Arguing with authority when you have none is just not very smart.
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It is smart, just not efficient.
 
Janir

Janir

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beertiki said:
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The hand wands are the same. If you need any more evidence that it's just security theater watch TSA before they wand you, security will test to make sure the wand is working by passing it over their belt buckle, every time, before every search, at Disney they dont, that wand is nothing but pixie dust.
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Most hand wands really arn't worth it in the first place. Helped with a wand test a few years back and they kept missing my backup gun, all metal but a bit smaller, iphone sized. My regular gun they could find but that was 40 oz of steel and even then sometimes the wand would miss that. The full frames caught everything every time.
 
docdebbi

docdebbi

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We were stopped by security twice last week and told we couldn't bring in a "gun". (see pic below)
When we pointed out that they sell "bubble guns" themselves in the park, it got us nowhere.

They sent over a supervisor, who said "if it shoots bubbles, and it's plastic, it's not a gun! And we sell them here too".
LOL

Seriously? I don't think anyone is mistaking that for a gun.


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