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[Andrew C]

Don't go into areas that are off-limits without permission. Don't take stuff out of people's hands without permission. I learned both when I was a toddler. Poor behavior is not an appropriate reaction to poor behavior. I learned that when I was 5.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why some are trying to excuse/justify one or the other. Arguing just to argue? If someone says white, must you always say black?

Signing off!

 

[Chi84]

I think you would find that your definition is not the legal one and would not hold up in court.

It would in my state. You need intent to permanently deprive.

 

[Tom P.]

You are mistaken. In French law as in American (though not Canadian), theft is typically defined as takings someone's property with the intention of depriving them of it permanently. That clearly wasn't the CM's intent, so no, nothing was technically stolen (unless you're using the Canadian standard, which is irrelevant in this instance).

Wait. Are you suggesting we should not apply Canadian standards? Why not? What has Canada ever done to you?

 

[LittleBuford]

I've gone down something a rabbit hole and found that snatching something from someone even temporarily can count as a crime in Florida:

Chapter 812 Section 131 - 2018 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate

www.flsenate.gov

Again, I doubt this law could successfully be invoked against a CM momentarily grabbing a ring from someone, but I suppose some litigious person could give it a go.

 

[Lilofan]

I once accidentally stole a pack of gum from a gas station and was convinced I'd one day be arrested for it...

And it really was an accident (it's a story...)

I ran out of cash so I discreetly stole money from the tip jar at a wedding to pay the bartender for drinks.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

In NJ, and I worked in retail management for 30 years, so I know of which I speak, if you CONCEAL and item even if you did NOT exit the store, that is considered theft.

Again, we’re all talking in hypotheticals, I still think this whole episode was staged because we never saw the before or after.

To me, IMHO, a proposal for marriage is kinda intimate between the 2 people involved unless their egos are so enormous that you would want to make a scene…I’ve seen proposals when the guy gets down on one knee at a sporting event, on the big screen and she said no…UGH…wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
Bottom line, they shouldn’t have been up there and the CM shouldn’t have taken the ring.

 

[LittleBuford]

In NJ, and I worked in retail management for 30 years, so I know of which I speak, if you CONCEAL and item even if you did NOT exit the store, that is considered theft.

I don't think anyone would dispute that, because the intent of someone concealing the item is to steal it. Clearly, the CM had no such intent. I don't understand the basis for the comparison you're drawing.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

I don't think anyone would dispute that, because the intent of someone concealing the item is to steal it. Clearly, the CM had no such intent. I don't understand the basis for the comparison you're drawing.

I was just trying to make a point of what degree an action is considered theft…maybe it wasn’t clear enough…if someone takes an item out of your hands, that could be considered theft. Obviously an item valued at a dollar and an engagement ring is different. One is a misdemeanor and one is a felony. If the CM would’ve approached the couple, QUICKLY escorted them down and then dealt with the problem, we wouldn’t even be having this argument. He didn’t escort the couple down first, he took the ring and THEN motioned for them to get down. If there was imminent danger, wouldn’t you expect the CM to get the people out of harm’s way first and then discuss the situation? It just doesn’t add up. If it’s legit, he wasn’t trained well and at the very least, there would’ve been more than one CM approaching the couple.

 

[Jacob Marley]

Haven’t we learned anything from Will Smith?

No personal belongings were stolen.

And violence is never an acceptable answer.

Unless you want to be banned from the resort.

Or win an Oscar.

 

[LittleBuford]

I was just trying to make a point of what degree an action is considered theft…maybe it wasn’t clear enough…if someone takes an item out of your hands, that could be considered theft.

Not according to most legal systems, however. In France, as in other countries and states, you generally need to show that someone intended to keep the item to prove theft. No-one here can seriously maintain that the CM had any intention of claiming the ring as his own; he had it in his possession for all of ten seconds before (willingly) giving it back. One can criticise his actions without hyperbolically accusing him of theft.

 

[Jacob Marley]

Don't go into areas that are off-limits without permission. Don't take stuff out of people's hands without permission. I learned both when I was a toddler. Poor behavior is not an appropriate reaction to poor behavior. I learned that when I was 5.

You just keep trying to derail this discussion with logic and reason, aren't you?
Hasn't anyone taught you how to properly internet?

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Not according to most legal systems, however. In France, as in other countries and states, you generally need to show that someone intended to keep the item to proof theft. No-one here can seriously maintain that the CM had any intention of claiming the ring as his own; he had it in his possession for all of ten seconds before (willingly) giving it back. One can criticise his reaction without hyperbolically accusing him of theft.

That’s the point I was trying to make…if you’re in line at TSA for example, and you’re carrying your laptop and didn’t put it in the bin, does the TSA agent run up, snatch it out of your hand and put it in the bin? No, they stop you and remind you that you can’t proceed without putting it in the bin.
Look, we’re going around in circles…the CM NEVER escorted the couple down, he said it would be better if the came down. If it was so dangerous, wouldn’t they immediately be escorted down with urgency without the ring even coming into the discussion?
You feel the way you do, and feel you’re right and it was all the couple’s fault. I agree that they shouldn’t have been there I AGREE WITH YOU!!! What I have a BIG problem with I’d the CM more worried about taking the ring than getting them off the stage.
I just don’t see where his priorities were. He didn’t have the look of someone concerned about a dangerous situation. I don’t know how much clearer that could be.

 

[LittleBuford]

That’s the point I was trying to make…if you’re in line at TSA for example, and you’re carrying your laptop and didn’t put it in the bin, does the TSA agent run up, snatch it out of your hand and put it in the bin? No, they stop you and remind you that you can’t proceed without putting it in the bin.
Look, we’re going around in circles…the CM NEVER escorted the couple down, he said it would be better if the came down. If it was so dangerous, wouldn’t they immediately be escorted down with urgency without the ring even coming into the discussion?
You feel the way you do, and feel you’re right and it was all the couple’s fault. I agree that they shouldn’t have been there I AGREE WITH YOU!!! What I have a BIG problem with I’d the CM more worried about taking the ring than getting them off the stage.
I just don’t see where his priorities were. He didn’t have the look of someone concerned about a dangerous situation. I don’t know how much clearer that could be.

I'm honestly at a loss to understand what you're saying here. My point was solely that the CM cannot by any reasonable stretch of the imagination, or indeed by any relevant legal standard, be accused of stealing the ring. As I've already indicated, I think he would have done better not to snatch it, so I'm not defending his actions. The only thing I am disputing is the hyperbolic and unsubstantiated claim that he is "technically" guilty of theft. The worst he can be accused of is an overzealous response.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Having something confiscated and then immediate returned is not theft. It was an awful position as a cast member to be in with a split second decision that had to be made. I don't fault the CM at all. They acted the way they felt appropriate. Nothing about a proposal in a corporate theme park on an off-limits stage is sacred, just stop.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

I'm honestly at a loss to understand what you're saying here. My point was solely that the CM cannot by any reasonable stretch of the imagination, or indeed by any relevant legal standard, be accused of stealing the ring. As I've already indicated, I think he would have done better not to snatch it, so I'm not defending his actions. The only thing I am disputing is the hyperbolic and unsubstantiated claim that he is "technically" guilty of theft. The worst he can be accused of is an overzealous response.

Ok, we have a difference in opinion which is fine…

 

[LittleBuford]

Ok, we have a difference in opinion which is fine…

You disagree with me that no-one can reasonably maintain that the CM actually intended to steal the ring (as in take permanent possession of it)? Do you think he intended to steal the ring?

 

[Smiley/OCD]

You disagree with me that no-one can reasonably maintain that the CM actually intended to steal the ring (as in take permanent possession of it)? Do you think he intended to steal the ring?

No, he took the ring out of a guests hand. What his intentions were are immaterial…they shouldn’t have been there and he shouldn’t have done what he did. I’m done and you can have the last word.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I ran out of cash so I discreetly stole money from the tip jar at a wedding to pay the bartender for drinks.

As a former service industry worker - how dare you.

 

[Lilofan]

As a former service industry worker - how dare you.

I was under the influence

 

[Disney Analyst]

I was under the influence

You shall live with this guilt for the rest of days