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Cost of going to DW waaaay too high.
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Roy G. Dis
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Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded.
It was most certainly less money but the concept was there. I think thats what people lose sight of. Walt wouldnt be rolling over in his grave because of ticket structure. Price gouging possibly.
SteveAZee
Well-Known Member
There is greed. If you were to go back to 1972, though, you'd be missing:
Pirates
Space Mtn.
CoP
Peoplemover
Big Thunder
Splash
Fantasyland Expansion
...among many others.
Bigger park with better rides means more $ to get in and have fun.
And competing with way more people to get on those rides.
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
This is true but do you think WDW is 3,000 percent better today than it was in 1971 ?
Greg in TN
Active Member
Disney is certainly w/in their rights to choose whatever price-point they wish. I'm a free-market capitalist through & through, and I definitely understand maximizing profits. That doesn't mean that I like what Disney is doing or how they're doing it, though. With all the nickel-&-diming they've done, I don't see the value that I once did, and I don't intend to pay it. Instead, I will relish my memories of the Disney that DID have tremendous value to me.
In addition, I continue to wonder how this business strategy will play out in the long run. Has Disney priced themselves too high for the majority of families to make multiple return trips over the years? And on the trip they do take, if they return home feeling less "magic," are they fostering future generations of Disney loyalists? Or will future generations more easily opt for other destinations, rather than Disney? Does Disney become just another of thousands of vacation destinations that someone can choose from, rather than the Magical "Home Away From Home" that draws people back, time after time.
If you go to a restaurant where the prices are very reasonable, and the food & service are excellent, do you go back? And do you tell people about it? On the other hand, if the restaurant prices are EXPENSIVE, and the food & service are only fair, how many people do you tell about it, and how many times do you go back ? Which restaurant has to work harder to attract patrons? It becomes the same question at Disney, only a much larger scale.
In addition, I continue to wonder how this business strategy will play out in the long run. Has Disney priced themselves too high for the majority of families to make multiple return trips over the years? And on the trip they do take, if they return home feeling less "magic," are they fostering future generations of Disney loyalists? Or will future generations more easily opt for other destinations, rather than Disney? Does Disney become just another of thousands of vacation destinations that someone can choose from, rather than the Magical "Home Away From Home" that draws people back, time after time.
If you go to a restaurant where the prices are very reasonable, and the food & service are excellent, do you go back? And do you tell people about it? On the other hand, if the restaurant prices are EXPENSIVE, and the food & service are only fair, how many people do you tell about it, and how many times do you go back ? Which restaurant has to work harder to attract patrons? It becomes the same question at Disney, only a much larger scale.
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networkpro
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- Yes
Its more orders of magnitude accessible to more people these days. Airfare and road access have greatly improved during that time.
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
Everything you say is spot on, the problem is this was the case for many, many years at WDW and it was discussed on these boards for many years Folks still come. Pandemic or not, folks still come.
Prices raised on everything, things that were free eliminated or now have a price, offerings reduced, anything you can think of, and yet, folks still come.
I just don’t see an end to it honestly.
TWDC who claims to all inclusive are making their theme park experience an exclusive one for only those who can afford it regardless what is offered.
All That said, it’s working..
Jrb1979
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Europe has some of the best parks in the world. It's why I'm surprised so many UK people travel to Orlando.
Marketing.
One of the reasons of a number of them - shopping in bulk at the Orlando Premium discount outlets on I-Drive and the FL Mall. For UK and Brazilian tourists, Orlando is their shoppers paradise.
networkpro
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- Yes
Folks were complaining prior to the pandemic that it was getting too crowded, so here's the solution they implemented: fewer people, higher costs.
jloucks
Well-Known Member
There is an an end, if Econ 101 was telling the truth. At some point, price will drive demand down.
We're not there yet.
The calculations get really complicated when you try to consider folks like me, who spend like crazy in the parks and don't mid high-ticket prices, also don't appreciate a cattle car experience where we feel like our time is not valued (long lines).
I have not been back to WDW for many years because I feel like they don't value my time, which I might add, is quickly becoming the most valuable thing I have. I mentioned before, I landed reservations for Starcruiser for an exorbitant price, but if that turns out to be a hot crowded mess, I will likely never try WDW again.
...maybe DCL tho, that was pretty good, albeit 5 digits for 7 days.
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
I have not been in the parks since December 2019.
We know there are less folks in the park now in Dec 2021.
We know EVERYTHING costs more and the offerings are less now in December 2021 than in December 2019.
The question is, is the guest experience better now in Dec. 2021 than it was in December 2019?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
But I think I see the problem, essence of why the complaints are building round here…
That is a completely frivolous stance that was used to defend Iger the last 10 years by the honor guard.So long as massive mobs of people keep paying it, it is not too high.
One could argue, the prices are too low if the demand is that high.
You don't want to know what I am about to pay for a stay at the Starcruiser.
Yes, I was able to get reservations.
disney parks were built for large attendance and that requires a somewhat stable level of value. This is not Laissez-Faire…
what is happening now…which near everyone is rather ticked about (welcome to the party…drinks are in the pool out back…) is that bad strategy on steroids.
Disney has a certain way of business that is tied to them…and it’s a big reason why they are so profitable/successful…
you decide it’s no longer needed? You now risk losing your shield to the market and whim. And just so happens the market isn’t in love with you right now.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I had Econ 001 for 3 months and have spent 25+ years observing how it’s foolish - in fact - to try and summarize human instincts and brainwaves down to 5 terms…
the world is oh, so grey.
Marketing and a historically good value when compared to Paris.