Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Sirwalterraleigh

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True journalists have gone they way of the dodo bird. Nowadays they let emotion, bias, and political view corrupt their reporting. Modern journalism is done by cherry pickers who are stating opinion and hypotheses as fact.
No…they’re driven by the profit motive. And the worst emotions have been scientifically proven to drive the most money in every study that would bother to touch it.

so stupidity and anger sells. And here we is.
 
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DCBaker

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"Pfizer has applied to the Food and Drug Administration to authorize its antiviral pill to treat unvaccinated people with Covid-19 who are at high risk of becoming severely ill, the company said on Tuesday.

The drug, which will be sold under the brand name Paxlovid, could become available within weeks if authorization is granted. It is meant to be dispensed by pharmacies and taken at home.

Paxlovid is the second antiviral pill to show effectiveness against Covid, in a new class of treatments for the disease that are expected to reach far more patients than other drugs that are typically given by infusion.

In a key clinical trial, Paxlovid was found to sharply reduce the riskof hospitalization or death when given to high-risk unvaccinated volunteers soon after they started showing symptoms. It appears to be more effective than a similar offering from Merck, known as molnupiravir, that could be authorized as soon as early December.

Both pills are geared toward older people or people who have obesity or medical conditions that put them at elevated risk for getting severely ill from Covid.

A spokesman for Pfizer, Kit Longley, said that for now, the company is seeking authorization for its pill to be given only to unvaccinated people, but the company might submit amendments to that provision later, depending on the data from clinical trials."


Here's the release from Pfizer -

 

Nubs70

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I Googled the quoted sentence. It comes up in an Op-Ed article from "The Blaze" written by Daniel Horowitz.

The rest of the article talks about that Sweden's lack of a Delta surge was due to the fact that the country has already reached, you got it, herd immunity.
Does that mean that Sweden's approach to Covid is superior?
 

Heppenheimer

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A spokesman for Pfizer, Kit Longley, said that for now, the company is seeking authorization for its pill to be given only to unvaccinated people, but the company might submit amendments to that provision later, depending on the data from clinical trials."


Here's the release from Pfizer -

This is a really small sample, but in talking to my vaccine hold-out patients, I then explain options for treatment if they do get COVID. The responses are not encouraging, and usually include such phrases as "hell no", "I won't be their guinea pig" or other statements too profane to type here.

The real conversions only come when their lungs fill with fluid and every second of their life feels like a prolonged episode of drowning. But by then, its too late to use the vaccines, monoclonal antibodies, and now likely these oral medications.
 

hopemax

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Does that mean that Sweden's approach to Covid is superior?
No, because they don't actually have herd immunity. They do seem to engage in different behavior during the summer into fall (I might guess because they know winter is coming and they better be outside while they can). We can check back in with them after everyone has moved inside and gathered for the holidays. They've also eliminated testing of vaccinated people so any case numbers will not be comparable to countries who test more broadly. An article from last week says testing has dropped 35% since the previous month. They say they have enough testing to still identify trends, but we'll see about that part too.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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Does that mean that Sweden's approach to Covid is superior?

No. It means the person who intentionally misconstrued the results of that study lied about Sweden missing a Delta surge...

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Tom P.

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When even Washington, DC, one of the most liberal cities in the country run by one of the most liberal mayors in the country, realizes that it's time to drop the mask requirement, perhaps Disney should get with the program.

 

CaptainAmerica

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When even Washington, DC, one of the most liberal cities in the country run by one of the most liberal mayors in the country, realizes that it's time to drop the mask requirement, perhaps Disney should get with the program.
Lmao yet they're still requiring them in schools. Makes total sense. Keep up the mitigation in the places filled with the lowest-risk population.
 

Tom P.

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Lmao yet they're still requiring them in schools. Makes total sense. Keep up the mitigation in the places filled with the lowest-risk population.
The mayor doesn't want the backlash that would come from the teachers unions, which is what has driven most Covid policy in schools this year. It certainly hasn't been about the science. But then again, Disney claims it's okay to congregate with 30,000 of your closest friends to watch fireworks, but you're a danger walking from the door of a restaurant to your table. 🤷‍♂️
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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When even Washington, DC, one of the most liberal cities in the country run by one of the most liberal mayors in the country, realizes that it's time to drop the mask requirement, perhaps Disney should get with the program.

Is that gonna make for a super happy, magical Disney day?!?!

yeah!! The nightmare is over!!!
Lmao yet they're still requiring them in schools. Makes total sense. Keep up the mitigation in the places filled with the lowest-risk population.
You really need to stop watching the kooky stations.

everyone can get/spread it. It’s good less are getting it seriously…don’t roll the dice because you’re impatient, however.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
The mayor doesn't want the backlash that would come from the teachers unions, which is what has driven most Covid policy in schools this year. It certainly hasn't been about the science. But then again, Disney claims it's okay to congregate with 30,000 of your closest friends to watch fireworks, but you're a danger walking from the door of a restaurant to your table. 🤷‍♂️
Jesus H…

those notorious weak, ineffective florida unions?!?

it’s about PR and perception…nothing more at this point.
And I agree that many of these things look silly now…but Disney is not under any pressure to change it. They will be over cautious and it makes sense for them
 

Tom P.

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Jesus H…

those notorious weak, ineffective florida unions?!?

it’s about PR and perception…nothing more at this point.
And I agree that many of these things look silly now…but Disney is not under any pressure to change it. They will be over cautious and it makes sense for them
I was not speaking of the unions influencing Disney. I was speaking of them influencing school policy around the country. And, yes, the teachers unions' are quite powerful overall, though it does vary in different parts of the country.
 

Chip Chipperson

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No, because they don't actually have herd immunity. They do seem to engage in different behavior during the summer into fall (I might guess because they know winter is coming and they better be outside while they can). We can check back in with them after everyone has moved inside and gathered for the holidays. They've also eliminated testing of vaccinated people so any case numbers will not be comparable to countries who test more broadly. An article from last week says testing has dropped 35% since the previous month. They say they have enough testing to still identify trends, but we'll see about that part too.

Also, it is a lie to suggest that Sweden had no mitigation. In fact, they kept their theme parks closed last year much longer than WDW was closed - in fact, they were effectively closed by the government's limit of 8 guests unless they really wanted to lose tons of money by operating rides for 8 people per day. And earlier this year Sweden imposed new capacity limitations on theme parks to 1 visitor per 20 square meters (amusement parks and zoos) with no more than 500 visitors allowed no matter how big the park. So anyone claiming that Sweden was letting people run wild and free with no impact on their daily lives is either lying or believing someone else's lie without doing any of their own research. And anyone on this, or a similar, board acting like we should be following Sweden's lead is really saying that they want WDW, DL, Universal, etc. closed for the past 20 months.

 

lazyboy97o

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Also, it is a lie to suggest that Sweden had no mitigation. In fact, they kept their theme parks closed last year much longer than WDW was closed - in fact, they were effectively closed by the government's limit of 8 guests unless they really wanted to lose tons of money by operating rides for 8 people per day. And earlier this year Sweden imposed new capacity limitations on theme parks to 1 visitor per 20 square meters (amusement parks and zoos) with no more than 500 visitors allowed no matter how big the park. So anyone claiming that Sweden was letting people run wild and free with no impact on their daily lives is either lying or believing someone else's lie without doing any of their own research. And anyone on this, or a similar, board acting like we should be following Sweden's lead is really saying that they want WDW, DL, Universal, etc. closed for the past 20 months.

And for reference, 20 m^2 is 225 SF. I can’t comment on Sweden, but in the US something like a queue is going to be 5 - 7 SF per person. That’s a huge hit to capacity.
 

hopemax

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"Pfizer has applied to the Food and Drug Administration to authorize its antiviral pill to treat unvaccinated people with Covid-19 who are at high risk of becoming severely ill, the company said on Tuesday.

The drug, which will be sold under the brand name Paxlovid, could become available within weeks if authorization is granted. It is meant to be dispensed by pharmacies and taken at home.

Paxlovid is the second antiviral pill to show effectiveness against Covid, in a new class of treatments for the disease that are expected to reach far more patients than other drugs that are typically given by infusion.

In a key clinical trial, Paxlovid was found to sharply reduce the riskof hospitalization or death when given to high-risk unvaccinated volunteers soon after they started showing symptoms. It appears to be more effective than a similar offering from Merck, known as molnupiravir, that could be authorized as soon as early December.

Both pills are geared toward older people or people who have obesity or medical conditions that put them at elevated risk for getting severely ill from Covid.

A spokesman for Pfizer, Kit Longley, said that for now, the company is seeking authorization for its pill to be given only to unvaccinated people, but the company might submit amendments to that provision later, depending on the data from clinical trials."


Here's the release from Pfizer -

The virology people on my Twitter are discussing if this pill can be used against a broader range of coronaviruses, not just COVID. Apparently, it came out of development intended for SARS that was not pursued (presumably from lack of need). The initial consensus is that it is highly probable, and they did some testing against regular coronaviruses. This would be a significant tool to have in the arsenal in the inevitable emergence of future novel coronaviruses. Something we can give people while vaccines go through their development, study, administer phase that we didn't have this time.
 
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