News Expect closure of Hong Kong Disneyland and Shanghai Disneyland to impact Walt Disney World

[Sir_Cliff]

France has just announced a ban of gatherings of more than 5,000 people.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...re-than-5000-due-to-coronavirus-idUSKBN20N0MD

I would imagine there are serious talks going on about whether to keep Disneyland Paris open.

 

[peter11435]

France has just announced a ban of gatherings of more than 5,000 people.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...re-than-5000-due-to-coronavirus-idUSKBN20N0MD

I would imagine there are serious talks going on about whether to keep Disneyland Paris open.

Im a confined space..

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Im a confined space..

Sure, which is why this ban doesn't apply to DLP.

Once these kinds of measures to ban large gatherings are put into place, though, it's not a huge leap to consider venues like Disneyland Paris. Particularly considering how it serves as a gathering place for people all over Europe, they'd have to be at least asking some tough questions about what stage things have to reach before the parks are closed.

 

[peter11435]

Sure, which is why this ban doesn't apply to DLP.

Once these kinds of measures to ban large gatherings are put into place, though, it's not a huge leap to consider venues like Disneyland Paris. Particularly considering how it serves as a gathering place for people all over Europe, they'd have to be at least asking some tough questions about what stage things have to reach before the parks are closed.

Yeah. It’s obviously the next step and no doubt conversations are taking place. I just thought it was important to point out that detail since it was missing from your post.

 

[Piebald]

Maybe he is...?

No, WDW Pro is older than this guy. Both their DOBs are viewable in their respective profiles. Unless they're playing 4D chess to ensure no one links them.

Plus the guy rips off this forum verbatim all the time, gets thousands of likes and then resells merchandise from the Asian parks to yokels for a profit.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

No, WDW Pro is older than this guy. Both their DOBs are viewable in their respective profiles. Unless they're playing 4D chess to ensure no one links them.

Plus the guy rips off this forum verbatim all the time, gets thousands of likes and then resells merchandise from the Asian parks to yokels for a profit.

He's a twit.

 

[WDW Pro]

Conversations are ongoing today about the Paris resort. Likely to close on Wednesday, but could be pushed to Friday. Little point in having it open regardless if attendance drops more than 70%.

To those of you who have sent me private messages, it may be a day or so before I get the chance to respond.

 

[DisneyCane]

France has just announced a ban of gatherings of more than 5,000 people.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...re-than-5000-due-to-coronavirus-idUSKBN20N0MD

I would imagine there are serious talks going on about whether to keep Disneyland Paris open.

Are these countries prepared to take these same actions to prevent the flu? These measures are just for the governments to project an image that they are "doing something."

None of this stuff is going to do anything short of locking down/quarantining cities. What's the difference if there is a gathering of 100 people or 5100 people? The virus doesn't spread like a game of telephone instantly. When it is transmitted from the person in seat 1 of section 101 to seat 2 of section 101, the person in seat 2 isn't instantly contagious.

The world has gone insane. People have watched too many movies and episodes of The Walking Dead. This is essentially another "flu" spreading that may or may not have a slightly higher mortality rate depending on the number of asymptomatic and mild cases that are not counted in the current stats.

These measures would be warranted if it had an extreme mortality rate like Ebola or SARS. There have been enough confirmed cases to know that this isn't the case.

 

[WEDway Inc & Company LLC]

Our favorite news source says that for the time being, Paris is open for business, as Disneyland Paris has said on guest social media.

 

[mikejs78]

Are these countries prepared to take these same actions to prevent the flu? These measures are just for the governments to project an image that they are "doing something."

None of this stuff is going to do anything short of locking down/quarantining cities. What's the difference if there is a gathering of 100 people or 5100 people? The virus doesn't spread like a game of telephone instantly. When it is transmitted from the person in seat 1 of section 101 to seat 2 of section 101, the person in seat 2 isn't instantly contagious.

The world has gone insane. People have watched too many movies and episodes of The Walking Dead. This is essentially another "flu" spreading that may or may not have a slightly higher mortality rate depending on the number of asymptomatic and mild cases that are not counted in the current stats.

These measures would be warranted if it had an extreme mortality rate like Ebola or SARS. There have been enough confirmed cases to know that this isn't the case.

No, it hasn't. The flu is already a global illness. We still don't know the pathology of this and there's also the chance it mutates into something more deadly. We don't want another flu-like virus spreading across the globe and becoming a normal seasonal.part of life. The flu is bad enough. The flu plus novel Coronavirus is double the deaths annually, at least. So an attempt to contain it is adviseable, although at this point it may be too late.

 

[DisneyCane]

No, it hasn't. The flu is already a global illness. We still don't know the pathology of this and there's also the chance it mutates into something more deadly. We don't want another flu-like virus spreading across the globe and becoming a normal seasonal.part of life. The flu is bad enough. The flu plus novel Coronavirus is double the deaths annually, at least. So an attempt to contain it is adviseable, although at this point it may be too late.

So let's just disrupt the daily lives of 7 billion people and cause a global recession to potentially save a few thousand lives. It's already uncontained. None of these over the top reactions are going to contain it. Asymptomatic people that are contagious make containment impossible without shutting down the entire world and isolating people from each other for 3 or 4 weeks.

 

[John park hopper]

Just as we have a vaccine every year designed for whatever the prevalent influenza virus is projected to be -- so too there will be a vaccine for the coronavirus come next year as well. Get your shot and there will be an accepted level of death just like the flu. Another virus will rear its ugly head and humanity will panic again and the cycle repeats.

 

[mikejs78]

So let's just disrupt the daily lives of 7 billion people and cause a global recession to potentially save a few thousand lives. It's already uncontained. None of these over the top reactions are going to contain it. Asymptomatic people that are contagious make containment impossible without shutting down the entire world and isolating people from each other for 3 or 4 weeks.

Yes, I think saving lives is worthwhile. And we're taking about more than a few thousand lives. The mortality rate is currently ~2%. If it becomes widespread, it is estimated that about 40-70% of the world's population will contract the disease within the next year. That would mean 140 million deaths at the low end. That's hardly "a few thousand".

The fact that there haven't been more cases in China, for example, is precisely because they engaged in containment practices. And continuing to do so will hopefully minimize the impact of the virus this year and give time for a vaccine to be developed and trialed.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Just as we have a vaccine every year designed for whatever the prevalent influenza virus is projected to be -- so too there will be a vaccine for the coronavirus come next year as well. Get your shot and there will be an accepted level of death just like the flu. Another virus will rear its ugly head and humanity will panic again and the cycle repeats.

There are currently no coronavirus vaccines. There is not a vaccine for all viral infections. We cannot just assume that this is like the flu and will be preventable in the same manner.

 

[John park hopper]

A lot of money to be made--- I'm betting a vaccine will be made, we will see

 

[DisneyCane]

Yes, I think saving lives is worthwhile. And we're taking about more than a few thousand lives. The mortality rate is currently ~2%. If it becomes widespread, it is estimated that about 40-70% of the world's population will contract the disease within the next year. That would mean 140 million deaths at the low end. That's hardly "a few thousand".

The fact that there haven't been more cases in China, for example, is precisely because they engaged in containment practices. And continuing to do so will hopefully minimize the impact of the virus this year and give time for a vaccine to be developed and trialed.

The asymptomatic cases and mild cases that aren't detected mean that the mortality rate of people infected is likely FAR less.

1.4% of the world population is not going to die. More people may die of starvation due to the economic collapse that over the top panic might cause.

 

[DisneyCane]

There are currently no coronavirus vaccines. There is not a vaccine for all viral infections. We cannot just assume that this is like the flu and will be preventable in the same manner.

That's because they didn't bother to make one for SARS or MERS because they were contained. It is expensive to make a vaccine. Within 18 months there will likely be a COVID-19 vaccine.

 

[techgeek]

The asymptomatic cases and mild cases that aren't detected mean that the mortality rate of people infected is likely FAR less.

1.4% of the world population is not going to die. More people may die of starvation due to the economic collapse that over the top panic might cause.

My personal interpretation of the effectiveness and legitimacy of extreme quarantine measures is this: the ‘numbers’ in Wuhan China where/when the virus originally emerged (Mid-January) represent the potential for unchecked transmission. With no natural immunity, it will run rampant. Once China limited travel and gatherings, we saw cases elsewhere on the mainland measured in hundreds rather then 10s of thousands. These controls seem to objectively work.

I appreciate and respect opinions regarding the economic and societal disruption. These are significant, will have ripple effects of their own, and will be a major burden for all... perhaps a defining time in our lives like 9/11 was for many here. Clearly, China did the math and decided that disruption was worth more to them then the potential of lives lost directly to the virus. This is a strong message about the seriousness of the situation and it frankly disturbs me that many do not see that implications of that decision themselves.

However... at the end of the day, we all have our opinions and in this particular situation those opinions matter little outside ourselves. We are powerless to change the overwhelming course of political, societal, and scientific influence at this point. We’re all along for the ride and the sooner we all see and accept that and start working together to deal with these challenges, and minimize the pain from those ‘ripple effects’, the better.

 

[Calmdownnow]

It is expensive to make a vaccine. Within 18 months there will likely be a COVID-19 vaccine.

The question then becomes how much the drug companies can charge for the vaccine and which population groups can afford to pay for it.

 

[DisneyCane]

My personal interpretation of the effectiveness and legitimacy of extreme quarantine measures is this: the ‘numbers’ in Wuhan China where/when the virus originally emerged (Mid-January) represent the potential for unchecked transmission. With no natural immunity, it will run rampant. Once China limited travel and gatherings, we saw cases elsewhere on the mainland measured in hundreds rather then 10s of thousands. These controls seem to objectively work.

I appreciate and respect opinions regarding the economic and societal disruption. These are significant, will have ripple effects of their own, and will be a major burden for all... perhaps a defining time in our lives like 9/11 was for many here. Clearly, China did the math and decided that disruption was worth more to them then the potential of lives lost directly to the virus. This is a strong message about the seriousness of the situation and it frankly disturbs me that many do not see that implications of that decision themselves.

However... at the end of the day, we all have our opinions and in this particular situation those opinions matter little outside ourselves. We are powerless to change the overwhelming course of political, societal, and scientific influence at this point. We’re all along for the ride and the sooner we all see and accept that and start working together to deal with these challenges, and minimize the pain from those ‘ripple effects’, the better.

I agree with you about opinions. The reason China took those drastic measures is that, at the beginning, it seemed that this virus would be another SARS. If it had that kind of mortality rate, slowing the spread had to be done at all costs. If it was like SARS or MERS then I wouldn't have a problem with taking those kinds of actions worldwide.

If, as it looks more and more like it will be, it is similar to adding another flu, then I don't.

There are far less disruptive actions that could be taken to help prevent these viruses from jumping species to humans. Unfortunately, discussing those measures would violate the WHO directive to avoid stigmatism.