News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[wdwjmp239]

That you made up the complaint about being able to see the showbuilding from the ground in Frontierland is rather obvious.

Knowing the amount of care that goes into a design makes me happy.

It was stated a few posts back that the sight lines were going to be ruined from on top of Splash Mountain and I'm saying, "Why should anyone care?" If you're so busy being focused on what's going on out in the distance on Splash, then you're kind of missing the ride itself. To me, I don't care. Tron is a ride. It's a new ride. I'm pretty pumped about it. But, understand that change is inevitable and Disney is just following a trend to keep guests entertained. Again....it's called "evolution."

 

[smile]

It doesn’t matter who the ride is for and not for and whatnot, it will subconsciously hurt every guest’s experience as they take the monorail to the park past Space Mountain.

perhaps... unless they're wrangling kids, concentrating on their finely tuned itinerary, or already enveloped in the magic
besides, those folks are already in the boat on ice, so unless they then loop back around and go home, good luck presenting concrete relevancy to the bonus-seekers that approved it

gs certainly won't take a hit, other than to talk somebody off a ledge because they waited three hours for a sixty second ride, but that's candy... long as it's after midday

conditioning for lower standard has been going on for many years, so one would be hard pressed to show how offending the sensibilities of the diminishing few that haven't taken to it, whose opinions are often either suppressed or ignored, can even be considered a risk at this point... maybe a new figment plush and they won't even notice - a disappointing number of people disappointed they haven't just been able to revolve them out already

expecting course correction from disney parks, experiences, and consumer products at this juncture under it's current structure would be ill advised

 

[Animaniac93-98]

But, understand that change is inevitable and Disney is just following a trend to keep guests entertained.

I hate to single you out in particular, but this kind of attitude does bother me a lot as both a fan and paying customer.

There's volumes of work written by people who worked for Walt, extensive documentary footage, a whole internet of articles, interviews and insight by people who were paid to spend their life's work shaping the craft of theme design, perspectives by people who have travelled the world comparing the works (past and present) of Disney and other companies and it's ALL completely ignored because for a number of "fans" literally any new attraction at Disney World is good enough because it's new and therefore fun. And fun things don't need to have that much thought put into them.

And if you question anything? You're a hater. Not a real fan. An idiot for thinking much about rides made for children who can't have fun. Have a concern about how these projects that cost HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars turn out? Here's a strawman for how that opinion is for dummies. I mean really, anyone who has any criticism is incapable for appreciating what's there and just wants to be mean online.

This particular rant isn't about the Disney company, or its casual customers, it's about a group of self identified fans who have no interest in anything about the product except its most superficial qualities and how anyone who does is treated by them as an outlier with no respect, DESPITE the whole history and evolution of Disney employees who made the product what it is by caring about its potential. For how expensive this whole endeavor of attraction building is (both for the company and its customers) I do expect the people who have the decision making authority to care about the details and things I, the non-expert, wouldn't think about but make the experience the best it can possibly be.

/rant

 

[EricsBiscuit]

You didn't just make the point you think you did - the very fact that Morocco was considered when designing The Tower of Terror demonstrates the lengths to which they used to go to preserve the integrity of the parks. That we now have a massive blank warehouse towering over Future World is a testament to how far standards have fallen. The TRON show building will not be quite as intrusive, but it's the next worst thing when it comes to damaging the previously well-considered skyline of an existing park. It won't be visible from all points in the park, but it won't be disguised from many. Certainly the vistas from the Monorail and the Contemporary will also be forever changed, and not for the better. For a long time the worst you saw at MK was an errant roof from a high viewing angle, and a snippet of the Haunted Mansion show building if you knew where to look and were really looking.

I'm fine with TRON coming to Tomorrowland - I daresay I'm excited to ride it - but I won't pretend they're incorporating it into the park in a way that's up to the standards the company has set historically. Find me one part of the Splash Mountain show building that reveals itself from within the park - or even outside of it. The show building for TRON is a problem in Shanghai and evidence suggests they haven't taken to fixing it here.

You don't care about the great view of Cinderella Castle and the MK below from the top of Splash Mountain? That's meant to be part of the fun. Fine if you don't care, but it doesn't serve anything to dismiss those who do. I'd wager that most of us fell in love with the parks because of the choices made by the people who held projects to the highest standard they could rather than the choices made by the people who didn't. And these days Disney is capable of attaining higher standards than ever. They clearly went to great trouble building all that rockwork around Cars Land, Pandora, and Galaxy's Edge, so it's not like they can't show up when they want to.

Yeah and you used to be able to ride the skyway and see all sorts of ridiculous backstage views while at the same time ruining sight lines across FL and TL.

 

[Rich Brownn]

I find the argument about site lines amusing since you've always been able to see the backside of the buildings on main street since day one.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I find the argument about site lines amusing since you've always been able to see the backside of the buildings on main street since day one.

And who defends them as good design?

 

[matt9112]

The launch is very thrilling...... the rest of the outdoor portion is a throwaway... just done to look cool from outside but adds nothing to the experience. The ride would be better had the entire thing been withing the interior TRON grid...
It's a fun ride... It is just not as amazing as I was anticipating... we did go on it 4 times in a row...so it was certainly fun.

launch coasters are everywhere now though....im not trying to downplay it i just think i owuld have rather have the theater in MK. or anything else that eats people. coasters tend to have poor capacity.

 

[George]

launch coasters are everywhere now though....im not trying to downplay it i just think i owuld have rather have the theater in MK. or anything else that eats people. coasters tend to have poor capacity.

I concur. The theater in MK actually addressed a need.

 

[sedati]

Disney used to set the trend...

Now people like you advocate that 'just following the trend' is justification. Well... that's what gets you this
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Well, they didn't build it, but here's a John Hench sketch of a Mickey Hotel proposed in the eighties.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Well, they didn't build it, but here's a John Hench sketch of a Mickey Hotel proposed in the eighties.
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OMG...I'm so glad they didn't build a single one of those - they're atrocious.

 

[Andrew C]

OMG...I'm so glad they didn't build a single one of those - they're atrocious.

John Hench also worked with Dalí on Destino.

Among other things...

 

[ImperfectPixie]

John Hench also worked with Dalí on Destino.

Among other things...

Oh, please don't mistake my criticism of those designs as criticism of his entire body of work. Not every design can be a hit. Heck, for all we know he was told "design a hotel that's shaped like Mickey Mouse".

 

[sedati]

Oh, please don't mistake my criticism of those designs as criticism of his entire body of work. Not every design can be a hit. Heck, for all we know he was told "design a hotel that's shaped like Mickey Mouse".

I believe Eisner had asked for a giant Mickey in the style of the Colossus of Rhodes straddling World Drive. Hench simplified it, but still...

 

[Andrew C]

Oh, please don't mistake my criticism of those designs as criticism of his entire body of work. Not every design can be a hit. Heck, for all we know he was told "design a hotel that's shaped like Mickey Mouse".

Oh I know. I just found it funny thinking about the different stuff he did over his career. And then this Mickey hotel. Lol.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Oh I know. I just found it funny thinking about the different stuff he did over his career. And then this Mickey hotel. Lol.

Makes you wonder if he didn't come up with horrible designs on purpose...

I was a professional woodcarver for a couple of decades, and this one client was being completely obnoxious and complaining that their project wasn't at the same phase as another, MUCH less complex project that was ordered basically at the same time. They were so rude, arrogant, and demanding that my boss took their $1000, hand-carved sign complete with 3-dimensional banners along the top and bottom and a relief of two skiers coming down a trail in the middle (it even already had 23k gold-leafed letters and was less than a week from completion) over to the band-saw and cut it up into little pieces right in front of them.

I was beside myself when he did that - I'd personally spent a couple of weeks carving and painting that sign - it even had the knit patterns of the skiers' hats on them. But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, lol.

 

[DinoInstitute]

And who defends them as good design?

Well, nobody outright obviously, but ignoring them while going on rants about how perfect the themed design of the parks used to be comes across as basically the same thing.

 

[wdwjmp239]

I hate to single you out in particular, but this kind of attitude does bother me a lot as both a fan and paying customer.

And who are you to tell me that I'm not a paying customer? I've been to Disney World more times than I care to count and I have two kids that have pretty much seen "The World" just as much as I have when I was in my teens and they're not even 10 yet.

There's volumes of work written by people who worked for Walt, extensive documentary footage, a whole internet of articles, interviews and insight by people who were paid to spend their life's work shaping the craft of theme design, perspectives by people who have travelled the world comparing the works (past and present) of Disney and other companies and it's ALL completely ignored because for a number of "fans" literally any new attraction at Disney World is good enough because it's new and therefore fun. And fun things don't need to have that much thought put into them.

Truthfully, it is what it is. If Disney needs to retain and draw in more guests, they'll build new attractions and Disney will put those attractions where they best fit. Once Tron is put in, they'll figure out the aesthetics to make the sight lines work. It'll be OK.

And if you question anything? You're a hater. Not a real fan. An idiot for thinking much about rides made for children who can't have fun. Have a concern about how these projects that cost HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars turn out? Here's a strawman for how that opinion is for dummies. I mean really, anyone who has any criticism is incapable for appreciating what's there and just wants to be mean online.

Wow! That's news to me. I'm a hater? Ok, then explain to me why I invested in a Disney Vacation Club contract, spend hundreds on runDisney events for me and my family, and are annual passholders. I don't think a "hater" would do that sort of thing. Do you?

This particular rant isn't about the Disney company, or its casual customers, it's about a group of self identified fans who have no interest in anything about the product except its most superficial qualities and how anyone who does is treated by them as an outlier with no respect, DESPITE the whole history and evolution of Disney employees who made the product what it is by caring about its potential. For how expensive this whole endeavor of attraction building is (both for the company and its customers) I do expect the people who have the decision making authority to care about the details and things I, the non-expert, wouldn't think about but make the experience the best it can possibly be.

/rant

The one thing we can agree is on is let the designers do their job. They'll figure it out. If things are messed up temporarily, they'll figure out a way to fix it. Yes, Tron will look weird in its position when it's all built, but 20 years from now, are we really going to remember what things were like before Tron was put in? So, right now we're arguing over something that's not even built yet. Let's see the finished product and then we'll criticize.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Wow! That's news to me. I'm a hater? Ok, then explain to me why I invested in a Disney Vacation Club contract, spend hundreds on runDisney events for me and my family, and are annual passholders. I don't think a "hater" would do that sort of thing. Do you?

You misinterpreted what I said. I was referring to posts that dismiss those who criticize the product as haters, not you personally.

I also don't really care about how much you've spent on Disney, but for me, I expect the best from a company that set the standard and that's willing to spend the kind of money they do. If "yeah, whatever" is the attitude you give something you spend thousands of dollars on and insist up and down your a big fan of, then I have to question your reasoning to participate on a discussion board with people who may have a different opinion than yours.

 

[Celebratr]

I think people wouldn’t care about sight lines as much if they knew they were getting a first class attraction. If Disney announced they were plopping TDS Journey in MK, we wouldn’t hear too many complaints; we’d all rationalize it away pretty quick. I thought Tron was fun, rode it a few times; its duration is just fine. It’s nice we’re poaching it from Shanghai. Now if we could gut our Pirates and replace it with Shanghai Pirates, that would be awesome. That ride is life changing.

 

[eddie104]

You misinterpreted what I said. I was referring to posts that dismiss those who criticize the product as haters, not you personally.

I also don't really care about how much you've spent on Disney, but for me, I expect the best from a company that set the standard and that's willing to spend the kind of money they do. If "yeah, whatever" is the attitude you give something you spend thousands of dollars on and insist up and down your a big fan of, then I have to question your reasoning to participate on a discussion board with people who may have a different opinion than yours.

Come on guys can we stop the bickering ? Literally this wasn't even an issue a couple pages ago now all of sudden sight lines are everybody's concern.