Angels tell Anaheim they're opting out of their lease on Angel Stadium

choco choco

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If an Angels deal could not be made, I would talk to others, including UCLA Football, Disney, and anyone else interested in a large piece of land.

Your overall paragraph of what you would propose is interesting, although I am not sure Moreno really is interested in being a developer on that land so much as he is trying to get someone to pay for his new stadium.

Anyway, I quoted your line because that's the intriguing one. One, I was not aware UCLA Football was looking for land (were you just being random? 'Cuz the idea that the team that plays in the Rose Bowl would get any benefit relocating 40 miles south seems...farfetched); and, Two, is there ever any discussions within cities to break large pieces of land like this up? Over-large plots of land - and therefore over-large single use zones - is usually a killer of civic and city life.
 

Darkbeer1

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Your overall paragraph of what you would propose is interesting, although I am not sure Moreno really is interested in being a developer on that land so much as he is trying to get someone to pay for his new stadium.

Anyway, I quoted your line because that's the intriguing one. One, I was not aware UCLA Football was looking for land (were you just being random? 'Cuz the idea that the team that plays in the Rose Bowl would get any benefit relocating 40 miles south seems...farfetched); and, Two, is there ever any discussions within cities to break large pieces of land like this up? Over-large plots of land - and therefore over-large single use zones - is usually a killer of civic and city life.

The Rose Bowl is owned by the city of Pasadena with bad traffic problems, and controls the ad revenue along with other revenue streams.

If UCLA built its own Stadium, it could control all the ad revenue, build luxury suites that can be sold to big donors, etc. It is why MLS teams do it, such as the StubHub Center and Banc of California Stadium, aka the Goat House).

Also why Mr. Moreno wants a new stadium, for the luxury suites, one big missing item at Angel Stadium. (He does control the Ad revenue.

Interesting article in Saturday's OC Register.

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/10/...-stores-near-arena-embargoed-until-later-fri/

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Anaheim city leaders are in talks with Honda Center officials about extending their arena management deal – keeping the Ducks local for at least 25 more years – and potentially giving the company management of the ARTIC station and the prospect of developing on some of the arena parking.


Closed-door discussions have gone on for months, and the Anaheim City Council will be briefed in public at a meeting Tuesday, Oct. 23, city spokesman Mike Lyster said Friday.

Many details remain to be worked out, but the news may strike some as a victory of sorts, coming just days after the Angels opted out of their lease at the city-owned stadium where they’ve played for decades. The Angels faced a deadline of Oct. 16 for opting out or the window would close for another decade. Team officials said they plan to restart negotiations with the city after the elections.


“This shows our commitment to professional sports in the Platinum Triangle,” Lyster said, referring to land between the 5 freeway and Santa Ana River that is being developed with new craft breweries, offices and hundreds of homes.<<
 

Travel Junkie

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OK, just out of the Shower, so IF no deal with the Angels can be made, here is the Partnership I would propose to Disney. (BLUE SKY)

The City of Anaheim would build a SUPER Parking Structure (More than likely a set of them on the Angel Stadium land, and if room, also a mixed use project, using Disney or someone else to build it in return for a share of the profits. (Housing required).

I would want the Ball and Harbor property for city use (next to the CM Lot is a school and Social Security Office, so build a new facility on the combined land).

The Pumbaa Structure would not be built, but now the entire land becomes a Transit Center with a large security check for Disney.

The Mickey and Friends and Cleo Structures now become parking ONLY for CM's and registered Hotel Guests. All Theme Park Guests park now in the city owned structure.

I've always thought this would be the best idea if Disney would to ever become involved with that land. With that shiny new and underused train station right there, it would make a great spot to become a ticket and transportation center. Filter most if not all vehicle traffic there and turn the resort district into a pedestrian friendly zone.
 

Darkbeer1

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I've always thought this would be the best idea if Disney would to ever become involved with that land. With that shiny new and underused train station right there, it would make a great spot to become a ticket and transportation center. Filter most if not all vehicle traffic there and turn the resort district into a pedestrian friendly zone.

The Resort District is in the middle of a large community of locals. We use Harbor, Ball, Katella and other streets on a regular basis.

We need a separation of pedestrians and vehicles. So that means pedestrian bridges in stead of crosswalks. And since many folks want shortcuts, that means fencing and other barricades to keep the pedestrians in "their" zone. Build pedestrian friendly areas like Garden Walk and the Convention Center Great Plaza.

But the city has the main responsibility of answering to its residents, and that means smart traffic controls like synchronized lights, more lanes, especially turn lanes, and other measures to keep cars moving.

Getting tourists off the roads are important, as they are not sure where they are going in most cases. (Natural- I have the same issue in a new town I am visiting). So special freeway exits to place them directly at the Parking Structure is a win-win. A simple clear way to get to Disneyland and park, then use public transit. Same with Hotel Guests, get them to their Hotel, then get them to use public transit to go to the Convention Center, Disneyland, etc.
 

TP2000

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The Resort District is in the middle of a large community of locals. We use Harbor, Ball, Katella and other streets on a regular basis.

Bingo!

It's easy to forget that Disneyland sits smack dab in the middle of Orange County, and Harbor Blvd. and Katella Avenue are major thoroughfares that serve 40,000 to 50,000 cars per day. And the vast majority of those cars aren't going to Disneyland, they are simply traversing a busy urban environment on their way to someplace else. You can't make the Resort District an island free of cars and traffic, or else you'd create a giant traffic headache for the rest of the county. Here's the daily traffic volumes for Orange County on all major surface streets and freeways. https://www.octa.net/pdf/2018-ADT.pdf

Orange County has a population of 3.1 Million. If you just lifted Orange County up and plopped it in the middle of Iowa, it would instantly become the 17th largest metropolitan city in the country, just behind San Diego, and a few hundred thousand people ahead of Tampa-St. Pete, Denver metro, and Baltimore.

And Orange County plopped into Iowa would have much higher median incomes than those other similar cities, which explains why traffic is so heavy in affluent Orange County compared to similar sized cities;
Orange County, CA Median Income = $81,800
Tampa/St. Pete Median Income = $51,300
Denver Metro Median Income = $71,700
Baltimore Metro Median Income = $55,300


Disneyland Resort sits smack dab in the middle of 3.1 Million affluent, car-crazy people. Disney has already done a pretty good job of separating their hotel guests from city streets on the west side of the Disneyland Resort.
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The best thing to do on the east side of the Resort District and Harbor Blvd., where Disney can't control the city streets much at all, is to get the pedestrians up off the streets and onto bridges at the major intersections.

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Travel Junkie

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The Resort District is in the middle of a large community of locals. We use Harbor, Ball, Katella and other streets on a regular basis.

We need a separation of pedestrians and vehicles. So that means pedestrian bridges in stead of crosswalks. And since many folks want shortcuts, that means fencing and other barricades to keep the pedestrians in "their" zone. Build pedestrian friendly areas like Garden Walk and the Convention Center Great Plaza.

But the city has the main responsibility of answering to its residents, and that means smart traffic controls like synchronized lights, more lanes, especially turn lanes, and other measures to keep cars moving.

I understand that. Many cities especially in Europe have pedestrianized portions of the city while rerouting vehicles around. It has done wonders for both locals and tourists. It's a more inviting neighborhood when you remove vehicle traffic and studies show local business revenue spikes in pedestrian zones.

That being said I don't see that happening here. There would be too many people against it.
 

Darkbeer1

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In the Southland, Road Diets and traffic calming doesn't work.

Look what happened in Venice, with so many businesses closing.

https://argonautnews.com/last-call-for-coffee/

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After 15 years as one of the most high-profile establishments on Venice Boulevard, Venice Grind Coffee Co. is closing its doors tomorrow, Oct. 18.


Venice Grind owner Demetrios Mavromichalis attributes his decision to close the Mar Vista coffee shop to a precipitous drop in sales due to controversial lane closures on Venice Boulevard that occurred more than a year ago.


“It’s a direct result of Great Streets Vision Zero,” Mavromichalis said of the transportation initiative designed to reduce traffic–related deaths on major streets and roads. A local business leader in Mar Vista for more than a decade, Mavromichalis was an ally of Los Angeles City Councilman Mike Bonin, an outspoken proponent of Vision Zero. But he isn’t anymore. Mavromichalis holds Bonin responsible for the closure of his and other businesses that have shuttered since the so-called “road diet.”


“This business was my first one. It was near and dear to my heart. I feel more strongly than ever that I want his career to be over,” Mavromichalis said of the councilman, pledging to confront Bonin at public events in the future.


“The gloves are off,” Mavromichalis said.


In an effort to slow down traffic, Bonin advocated last year for the closure of one lane going east and one going west on Venice, additional bicycle lanes and the creation of small parks in an effort to make the street more pedestrian friendly.<<

https://argonautnews.com/the-road-diet-isnt-working/

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They called it Great Streets and Vision Zero. They said it would enhance neighborhood character, improve access and mobility, increase economic activity, promote greater community engagement and result in a safer community.


Today, Venice Boulevard is a visually confusing mess of bollards and white and green paint. Drivers can’t figure out where to drive or park and can’t see the bicyclists behind the parked cars in the reconfigured parking lane. Cyclists often choose the sidewalk over the protected bike lane. And the sidewalks still need repair.


This road diet — these lane thefts — aren’t making Venice Boulevard safer.


Why? Traffic is like water: it travels along the path of least resistance. Removing vehicle lanes restricts flow and causes gridlock during peak travel hours on the weekdays and weekends. Emergency vehicles get stuck in the gridlock. Restore Venice Blvd.’s Neighborhood Traffic Watch program has seen what appears to be an increase in fender-bender and chain reaction accidents because of it.


So now locals, commuters and the Los Angeles Fire Department redirect their trips to keep off Venice Boulevard. Cut-through traffic flows onto adjacent residential streets, where kids play and neighbors walk their dogs. Local small businesses struggle because their customers avoid Venice Boulevard, and six have closed their doors for good.


Our community is very concerned.


When we point out the project’s lack of transparency, ask questions and attempt to hold those in charge accountable, we are characterized as drivers unconcerned about the safety of bicyclists and pedestrians. Never mind that all of us are pedestrians at one point or another, or that most cyclists own cars too.


We’re very concerned about the 15 cyclists involved in accidents in the new protected bike lane, according to our Neighborhood Traffic Watch. There are those who think the old bike lane was much safer. We think we know why. The L.A. Department of City Planning Complete Streets Design Guide says protected bike lanes should be applied: “… along streets with long blocks and few or no driveways or midblock access points for vehicles.”


We’ve counted. There are 43 driveways and 10 un-signalized intersections on Venice Boulevard between Inglewood and Beethoven, creating 53 conflict points between cars and bicycles.


Did those in charge prepare us for their lane thefts? In Mar Vista they collected 450 surveys, but failed to ask, “Would you support removing vehicle lanes from Venice Boulevard?” They did some pop-up outreach at the Mar Vista Farmers Market, CicLAvia and a few coffee shops, but in Venice and other surrounding neighborhoods they did no outreach at all.


We submitted a California Public Records Act request on Aug. 8, 2017: 283 days later, no response from LADOT. What little we got from Councilman Bonin’s office revealed that certain members of the Mar Vista Community Council and Mar Vista Chamber of Commerce knew about the lane thefts but chose to keep them quiet.


The city’s top-down planning approach to this pilot project shows they didn’t care about community engagement. And they might have gotten away with it if it weren’t for the widespread public outcry.


As of the six month mark, LADOT data shows the road diet was not working. Using data presented at a March 2018 Great Streets Open House, the city-run website veniceblvdmarvista.org and a road segment rate calculation formula that considers collisions and traffic flow, we have calculated that:


• Collisions per 1 million vehicle miles traveled went up from 3.00 pre-project (May 20, 2016 to Dec. 31, 2016) to 3.22 post-project (May 20, 2017 to Dec. 31, 2017).


• Injury collisions per 1 million vehicle miles traveled went up from 1.95 pre-project to 2.33 post-project.


The pilot project on Venice Boulevard, what LADOT General Manager Seleta Reynolds calls “the gold standard” for Vision Zero, isn’t working. But that isn’t stopping Mayor Garcetti from asking for $91 million for Vision Zero in the 2018-19 city budget.


We’ve asked several times for our councilman and LADOT to hold a town hall meeting so we could come together as a community to get the answers to the questions that we have been asking since day one. But they refuse.


Councilman Bonin and Mayor Garcetti, you said this was a one-year pilot. Time’s up! Stop imposing on the goodwill of the residents of Mar Vista, our neighbors in Venice, Del Rey, Culver City and Marina del Rey, and all the pedestrians, cyclists, commuters, emergency responders, businesses, beachgoers and tourists using Venice Boulevard.


Return Venice Boulevard to its previous configuration and put an end to the gridlock, cut-through traffic, increased collisions and injury collisions, negative impacts to our local small businesses, and all the other collateral effects.<<
 

SeaCastle

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In the Southland, Road Diets and traffic calming doesn't work.

Look what happened in Venice, with so many businesses closing.

https://argonautnews.com/last-call-for-coffee/

I find it very hard to take this guy at his word that the new street configuration single-handedly destroyed his business. It's not like he lost street parking, which is a very common (and legitimate!) complaint about bike lanes/safe streets nationwide. There is clearly street parking in front of the business and others, albeit a few feet farther off the curb than before.

Anyone can go onto Google Maps right now and see that multiple storefronts on that block of Venice Blvd have changed in the years before and after the bike lanes. The KABC article about the business closings cites the owner saying 20 other businesses in the area shuttering in the past 17 months. His claim is taken at face value (which other businesses? are they even near Venice Blvd?) and there's no mention of the coffee roastery that just opened up down the street from his shop in the past year or so, or other demographic changes in the neighborhood.

I'm skeptical because I've seen time and time again businesses blame stuff like bike lanes for their closings when there were clearly other circumstances at play like increased competition or the business had not been on firm financial footing to begin with. The game plan is that a business or group of businesses close, and because they're the sources for the news stories, they get glowing, victimized coverage and a bully pulpit to blame whatever they want for it. The media narrative goes "x project causes business closure". Sometimes businesses fail for less exciting reasons, but that doesn't make for a cause cèlébre...
 

Darkbeer1

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https://www.ocregister.com/2018/10/21/road-diets-are-starving-small-businesses/

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>>The road diet scheme is part and parcel of a larger movement called Vision Zero, created in bicycle-centric Europe and embraced by more compact and less auto-centric cities with mixed results. Yet, President Eric … sorry, Mayor Eric Garcetti has gone all-in on Vision Zero, pledging to eliminate all pedestrian deaths by 2025 — as in nobody killed by a car in America’s second-largest city.


This is certainly a worthy goal. So how are we doing?


In the first two years of Vision Zero, pedestrian deaths in L.A. have surged more than 80 percent. In 2015, 74 people on foot were killed by automobiles. In 2017, 134 lost their lives, the highest toll in more than 15 years.


Taking away lanes from cars did not by itself cause this huge jump in pedestrian fatalities; texting while driving and walking along with traditional hazards like impaired driving and the decision to give driver’s licenses to 1 million immigrants in the country illegally have all contributed to the spike. Still, the city of Los Angeles has declared war on the single passenger automobile, favoring not only buses and light rail, but specifically eco-friendly bicycles, a particular passion of Councilman Bonin. Mixing lightweight bicycles with 2,000-lb. automobiles is, literally, an accident waiting to happen. Only we don’t have to wait. It’s happening every day.


After being sold on “safer streets” improvements, including redesigned crosswalks, better lighting and beautification, business owners in Mar Vista were shocked to learn the street parking in front of their business would be eliminated in favor of a dedicated bike lane. Last week, Demetrios Mavromichalis, owner of the Venice Grind coffee shop, announced he was closing his doors after 13 years. The Grind is the 21st Venice Boulevard business to shutter in the 17 months since the road diet was imposed on them.


In the previous decade, the same .8-mile stretch of Venice Boulevard had seen only two businesses fail.


In addition to the economic impact, first responders and daily commuters looking for a workaround from the perpetually gridlocked 405 have all complained their morning and evening commutes have been made that much worse by taking away a lane from cars in favor of bike lanes.





Twenty years ago, developers bellyached because the city forced them to include sufficient parking in any new project. Today, it’s exactly the opposite. L.A. discourages the creation of public and private parking in an endless quest to harass you out of your car. When looking for land to put up tents and trailers for the homeless, the first to go were city-owned parking lots in downtown L.A.


Vision Zero and other utopian schemes might come from the left but the blowback is bipartisan. Mess with traffic and you mess with the DNA of Southern California. The mayor and Councilman Bonin greatly underestimated the blowback from residents of Mar Vista, many of whom started out as Bonin and Garcetti supporters. That is no longer the case.


This is not a Republican/Democrat issue. You couldn’t find five Trump supporters in all of Mike Bonin’s district with a sack full of MAGA hats and a cadaver dog.

Los Angeles — and all of California — is becoming more congested every day. Our population continues to mushroom. We can’t keep cramming cars onto our existing freeways and surface streets. We desperately need a comprehensive public transportation system and environmentally responsible alternatives to the automobile. But hassling working people for the sin of going to and from work and killing small businesses to boot is an abuse of power and political malpractice.<<
 

SeaCastle

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https://www.ocregister.com/2018/10/21/road-diets-are-starving-small-businesses/

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After being sold on “safer streets” improvements, including redesigned crosswalks, better lighting and beautification, business owners in Mar Vista were shocked to learn the street parking in front of their business would be eliminated in favor of a dedicated bike lane. Last week, Demetrios Mavromichalis, owner of the Venice Grind coffee shop, announced he was closing his doors after 13 years. The Grind is the 21st Venice Boulevard business to shutter in the 17 months since the road diet was imposed on them.


In the previous decade, the same .8-mile stretch of Venice Boulevard had seen only two businesses fail.

Oh come on...that's not even close to reality:

- Earl's Mar Vista - literally next door to Grind! - closed by Dec 2015
- Sweet Lucy's - literally next door to Grind - vacant from at least 2011 to 2015, closes by 2017 and re-opens as another ice scream shop
- Retail space between Lloyd's and the tattoo parlor sees a bike shop open and close b/w 2011 and circa 2014...
- El Agave closes circa 2017 (reopens as Canela)
- Chiropractic and flower store close (12326 Venice)
- Mechie Childrens Boutique (closed by 2015)
- Book/gift shop at 12300 Venice (closed by 2014)

And this is only the 800-foot long block that the Grind was on from 2014 to 2017!
 

DanielBB8

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I would think UCLA Football would want to relocate closer to UCLA like at the new Rams stadium that will get luxury boxes and everything else. UCLA continues to perform poorly so it cannot justify building its own stadium.
 

Jiggsawpuzzle35

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I wish the Ducks would opt out of Anaheim...and the NHL ;):D
You mean team that won California's 1st Stanley Cup, the team that went to the finals in their 9th season, the team where the owner has put over $100 million dollars of renovating the Honda Center with their own money, the team that has expanded high school hockey across Southern California and building a $100 plus 4 sheet hockey rink in Irvine, and the team/owner that the city of Anaheim wants to run Artic and develop the land around Honda Center? Nope not gonna happen.
 

Darkbeer1

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I would think UCLA Football would want to relocate closer to UCLA like at the new Rams stadium that will get luxury boxes and everything else. UCLA continues to perform poorly so it cannot justify building its own stadium.

BIG problem, all the Luxury Boxes are controlled by the LA Rams. The Chargers get to share the money for 20 years in a deal that the NFL forced on the Rams.

The reason UCLA would want to OWN the Stadium is to control all the income the Stadium brings in. (aka Anaheim IF the Angels leave)

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see UCLA talking to the Rams about using the new stadium if they get a better deal than at the Rose Bowl.

Teams go through stages. But there is PLENTY of Donor Money that would help build a new stadium just for UCLA. Many Colleges have done that to hopefully bring in better recruits.
 

Jiggsawpuzzle35

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Darkbeer,
Where did you hear that Arte wants to build a new 35,000 ballpark? Does he have enough money to build a new stadium and why is it so small? There is a Chinese company planing on developing the land on the corner of Orangewood and St. College so would moving the new Stadium to the side of Katella effect that project?
 

Darkbeer1

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Ok, here is what I have heard.

The average MLB Stadium costs about Half a Billion Dollars nowadays. Also takes about 3 Acres of Land.(Stadium only, parking is another matter. That amount can be financed by Arte Moreno without too much problem in this economy.

As for the seating, this is a number that has been mentioned around city hall, But that is as low as 35,000, more than likely it would be higher. Seats cost money to build, and less seats means you can charge more. Also helps keep the game day labor low for stadium staff.

As for the LT Platinum Center . It is being built on the south end, so no major effect, as the possible new Ballpark site is on the North end
 

Jiggsawpuzzle35

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Original Poster
Ok, here is what I have heard.

The average MLB Stadium costs about Half a Billion Dollars nowadays. Also takes about 3 Acres of Land.(Stadium only, parking is another matter. That amount can be financed by Arte Moreno without too much problem in this economy.

As for the seating, this is a number that has been mentioned around city hall, But that is as low as 35,000, more than likely it would be higher. Seats cost money to build, and less seats means you can charge more. Also helps keep the game day labor low for stadium staff.

As for the LT Platinum Center . It is being built on the south end, so no major effect, as the possible new Ballpark site is on the North end
Thank you. I was thinking 35,000 is way to low for newer ballparks. A lot of the newer ones are between 38,000 to 41,000. The Angels typically average around 37,000 to 38,000 the past 10 season so i'd like to see something around 38,000 to 40,000. That place is a dump right now. Also do you have any info about the news of the Samuelis running Artic and developing land around Honda Center?
 

Darkbeer1

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I posted an article here a few days ago. A status report is on tonight's City Council Agenda.

Part of the deal involves some land near the Honda Center, but the deal between the Samuelis and city staff is done ,so it will go to the council for approval soon (after the election but maybe before January to let Mayor Tait walkaway with a victory.

Here is the Staff Report re the council meeting.

DATE: OCTOBER 23, 2018
FROM: OFFICE OF THE CITY MANAGER AND CONVENTION, SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DEPARTMENT
SUBJECT: ANAHEIM ARENA MANAGEMENT NEGOTIATING FRAMEWORK
ATTACHMENT (Y/N): NO

ITEM # 25

RECOMMENDATION:
That City Council, by motion, approve a negotiating framework involving the City of Anaheim and Anaheim Arena Management, LLC (AAM) which would keep the Anaheim Ducks in Anaheim through 2048, increase annual General Fund revenue and contemplate the sale of City-owned property for purposes of development in and around Honda Center and the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center (ARTIC) in accordance with the May 2004 Platinum Triangle Master Land Use Plan (PTMLUP), and direct staff to continue with negotiations with AAM based on the framework.

DISCUSSION:
On January 9, 2018, Council was advised of AAM’s interest to discuss the possibility of development around the Honda Center and ARTIC. With Council’s concurrence, staff initiated real property discussions with AAM on the sale of City-owned property around the Honda Center, ARTIC operations and the long-term retention of the Anaheim Ducks. At the October 9, 2018 Council meeting, Mayor Tait requested staff return with an update on the discussions with AAM.

History:
Platinum Triangle: In 2004, the City adopted the Platinum Triangle Master Land Use Plan (PTMLUP) to provide opportunities for well-designed development projects that would combine residential with other uses including office space, retail, and business services in the 820-acre area surrounding and including Angel Stadium of Anaheim and Honda Center, generally north of Interstate 5 and west of the 57 freeway.

Objectives of the PTMLUP included creating a unique integrated, walkable urban environment to encourage pedestrian activity, creating a design where all development would be harmonious, reinforcing transit opportunities around ARTIC, and stimulating market-driven development investment.

The City has completed the environmental review process, pursuant to the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) to allow streamlined development processing for up to 17,501 residential units, 4.8 million square feet of commercial development, 9.2 million square feet of office development and 1.5 million square feet of Institutional land use (government offices, transportation facilities, public or private colleges and universities, public utilities, hospitals, community centers, etc.).

To date, only 3,358 residential units and 39,369 square feet of commercial development have been constructed in accordance with the PTMLUP. This new development is in addition to the 670,000 square feet of commercial development and 1.9 million square feet of office development that already existed within the Platinum Triangle prior to the adoption of the PTMLUP. Future approved development includes an additional 4,109 residential units, 647,600 square feet of commercial development and 77,000 square feet of office development, which the City has entitled through development agreements. 1,872 of these residential units are currently under construction. Remaining development intensity that has not yet been entitled to specific property owners includes more than 10,000 residential units, 3.4 million square feet of commercial development and 11 million square feet of office development.
Honda Center: Honda Center, a 19,000-seat arena owned by the City of Anaheim, opened on June 19, 1993, under the management of Ogden Facility Management Corporation of Anaheim. The Anaheim Ducks (formerly known as the Mighty Ducks) were the first permanent tenant and one of the National Hockey League’s expansion franchises that year.

On December 16, 2003, following the bankruptcy of Ogden, the City entered into a Facility Management Agreement with AAM, a subsidiary of H&S Ventures. Shortly thereafter, H&S Ventures purchased the Anaheim Ducks in 2005. The Ducks then became the first ever California Stanley Cup champions in 2007.

The Honda Center sits across Katella Avenue from ARTIC and adjacent to the 57 freeway, which allows for access to the venue from multiple modes of transportation.

ARTIC: In December 2014, the City opened ARTIC, a transit hub in the Platinum Triangle, a growing and dynamic mixed use area, and within walking distance of both the Angel Stadium and the Honda Center. ARTIC serves as a transit hub for Orange County and the entire Southern California region with bus and rail services that include: Amtrak Metrolink, Orange County Transportation Authority Anaheim Resort Transportation, Tres Estrellas De Oro bus service to Mexico, Greyhound, Megabus.com, Flixbus, shuttles, taxis, and outdoor bicycle racks and lockers.

Negotiating Framework: The arena has been an integral part of Anaheim and Orange County since 1993. The Anaheim Ducks, 2007 Stanley Cup champions and celebrating their 25th anniversary in Anaheim, add to the city’s pride. H&S Ventures are world-class owners that consistently invest in the city and our youth. Both are intimately weaved into Anaheim and Orange County’s fabric.
Discussions with AAM were based on a multipoint vision to convert underutilized and undeveloped City-owned property to create an entertainment district, keep the Ducks in Anaheim through at least 2048 and attract additional visitors to the area and venues, thus increasing the city’s tax revenue through development. The agreement would also eliminate the City’s $2.5 million annual general fund obligation for the operation of ARTIC.

To this end, Staff seeks approval of the following general negotiating framework: 

Honda Center: o

City to maintain ownership of Honda Center, with all operating expenditures, inclusive of capital expenditures, borne by AAM. o
Extend AAM’s base management term to 2048, with five (5), five (5) year extensions. o
Ducks to stay in Anaheim through 2048, with extensions, with the team continued to be known as the Anaheim Ducks. o
Reduce profit-sharing threshold, thereby allowing the City to receive profit after a lower threshold is met. o
Change the profit sharing from 75% (AAM) to 50/50. 

Honda Center Parking Lots: o

Sell City owned land in parking lots 1, 3, 4 and 5 at appraised market value, reflecting continued parking requirements. o
City to require a value protection clause on land sales. o
AAM to assume City’s parking requirement of ensuring 3,900 parking spaces for arena visitors.

ARTIC: o

AAM to assume management through 2048, with five (5), five (5) year extensions. o
AAM to assume all operating losses, up to $2.5M per year. o
Authorize a “Spectacular” sign at ARTIC with all revenues, after construction costs, to offset operating ARTIC losses. AAM to advance all costs of signage construction. o
Net revenue profit sharing; 60% to City, 40% to AAM.

The foregoing framework builds upon the city’s vision to develop the Platinum Triangle with a desired entertainment district. H&S Ventures is a partner who is committed to Anaheim’s growth and invested in ensuring development in and around Honda Center is successful.

IMPACT ON BUDGET:

Impacts would vary based on negotiations and contract documents. There would be onetime revenue associated with any land sale, approximately $70M in general fund savings associated with the ARTIC operation over the course of the agreement, estimated at the current loss of $2.5M, annually, and anticipated future developmental revenue at an amount undetermined at this time.
 

Darkbeer1

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OK, the new ballpark for the Angels in city paperwork is 37,000, and of course, that is a very preliminary number.

The city is on the hook for about $175 Million in deferred maintenance on the current Angel Stadium.

As for the Ducks, looks like on of the reasons that they will be taking over ARTIC is to allow a building of a Pedestrian Bridge/walkway over Katella Avenue.

Once again, the city wants more pedestrian bridges throughout the city, and is willing to work with developers to add them in exchange for requests from the developer, such as zoning relief.
 

Darkbeer1

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https://voiceofoc.org/2018/10/anahe...ar-lease-and-development-around-honda-center/

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It also calls for Anaheim Arena Management to take over operations of the troubled Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center (ARTIC) train station, which has operated on a deficit since opening in 2014. Under the proposal, AAM would assume all responsibility for operating losses. Beginning in 2017, the city has paid the facility’s deficit – averaging $2.5 million a year – from its general fund.


“It’s a very big deal and a good deal,” Tait said.


Ducks’ Proposal


The 820-acre area around the Honda Center, Angel Stadium and ARTIC is known as the Platinum Triangle, a planning area with nearly $1.5 billion in new mixed-use developments in the pipeline.


Current city planning documents allow for 17,501 residential units, 4.8 million square feet of commercial space, 9.2 million square feet of office development and 1.5 million square feet of institutional uses, like universities, government or hospital facilities.


At the council meeting, city staff said the proposed Honda Center development would be modeled after entertainment complexes like L.A. Live, which is located in downtown Los Angeles and includes the Staples Center, LA Convention Center, a retail plaza, hotels, condominiums, concert theaters, restaurants and more.


Other proposed terms of the agreement include:


  • Require AAM to assume responsibility for providing 3,900 parking spots for Honda Center visitors.
  • Changing a profit-sharing agreement for the Honda Center so that the city receives half of all profits after a $6 million threshold. The current lease gives the city 20 percent of all profits after $12 million, but because the Honda Center has never generated $12 million in profits, the city has never collected any extra revenue.
  • Create a profit-sharing agreement for ARTIC where the city receives 60 percent of all revenue and AAM receives 40 percent.
  • Create a new digital advertising sign along the 57 Freeway at ARTIC

Through spokeswoman Erika Hall, Anaheim Arena Management issued a brief statement and declined to comment on the deal specifically.


“We’re excited to work with the City of Anaheim as we continue to plan for the future of the Anaheim Ducks and Honda Center,” said Hall. “We are always looking to improve the fan experience and bring Anaheim the very best in world-class entertainment.”


Councilman Stephen Faessel, who otherwise called the proposal a “great deal,” questioned why the deal includes the sale of a parking lot across from the Honda Center by ARTIC without a formal bidding process where other developers could also bid for the property.


“ARTIC is not that far from Angel Stadium, and now we’re likely going to have to negotiate a deal with the Angels, how do we know the Angels won’t give us a better deal?” Faessel said.


Tait said selling the ARTIC lot to Anaheim Arena Management would make it easier to construct a proposed pedestrian bridge over Katella Avenue, so the city would not have to negotiate with multiple entities to construct the bridge.<<

Much more at the article, including a segment on Angels Baseball.
 

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