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Bender123

Bender123

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mikejs78 said:
Maybe, but it doesn't mean it can't be effective. Great Moments in American History in Liberty Square is a good example of this, IMO.
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Except the Muppets aren't really shoehorned in...they are just doing the same thing they always have done. They lampoon basic historical and pop culture events and stories in a weird and funny way. Its not like there is some "cannon" of Muppet lore that has them set in a specific time and place. For reference, the Muppets have run a 70s/80s variety show, a late night talk show, been news reporters, washed up former stars, pirates, Dickens characters, movie producers, news reporters, etc...the only "lore" for Muppets is that they are almost decidedly "American" (except some stereotyped foreign characters- Lou Zealand, the Prawn, Swedish Chef), Piggy and Frog have a weird cross species sexual relationship and that's about it. The other issue with Great Moments is that outside their specified show times, they leave almost no trace of their existence in that area of the park.

Frozen, on the other hand, dominates the Norway pavilion in almost all areas and the characters are specifically designed to be Norway, but not Norway. If they would have made whatever their country is Norway, its a much harder argument to make...you get into Rat territory, where you may not like the IP, but you really cant argue its "fit" for the location.

On the other hand is Three Cabelleros...Only one is Mexican, but the basis for the characters was about North, Central and South American unity, making Panchito a fit and a story fit for an American park...

Sorry...its nit picky, but there are definite levels of "fit" for placing IP in the parks and some that leave a worse flavor than others, just based on how far of a stretch the lore needs to be to make them work.
 
Pi on my Cake

Pi on my Cake

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Bender123 said:
Except the Muppets aren't really shoehorned in...they are just doing the same thing they always have done. They lampoon basic historical and pop culture events and stories in a weird and funny way. Its not like there is some "cannon" of Muppet lore that has them set in a specific time and place. For reference, the Muppets have run a 70s/80s variety show, a late night talk show, been news reporters, washed up former stars, pirates, Dickens characters, movie producers, news reporters, etc...the only "lore" for Muppets is that they are almost decidedly "American" (except some stereotyped foreign characters- Lou Zealand, the Prawn, Swedish Chef), Piggy and Frog have a weird cross species sexual relationship and that's about it. The other issue with Great Moments is that outside their specified show times, they leave almost no trace of their existence in that area of the park.

Frozen, on the other hand, dominates the Norway pavilion in almost all areas and the characters are specifically designed to be Norway, but not Norway. If they would have made whatever their country is Norway, its a much harder argument to make...you get into Rat territory, where you may not like the IP, but you really cant argue its "fit" for the location.

On the other hand is Three Cabelleros...Only one is Mexican, but the basis for the characters was about North, Central and South American unity, making Panchito a fit and a story fit for an American park...

Sorry...its nit picky, but there are definite levels of "fit" for placing IP in the parks and some that leave a worse flavor than others, just based on how far of a stretch the lore needs to be to make them work.
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What makes Frozen feel shoe horned in to me isn't even the iP. Or the idea of a magical fairytale cartoon in the world showcase. I understand why these are deal breakers for a lot of people.

What makes Frozen feel shoehorned is that it doesn't fit or even attempt to fit the Norway Pavilion.

The Norway Pavilion, like most World Showcase Pavilions, was built to be in modern day. Set up as a mix of different architecture styles blended together to for a more or less modern snapshot of Norway as a whole.

Then you enter some modern looking building and immeadietly and harringly find yourself in Arrendelle.

There is no, none, zero effort to blend it into the current pavilion.



If they redid the pavilion as a whole to reflect medieval Norse architecture of the kind that inspired Frozen (similar to the idea behind the absolutely wonderfully done Royal Summerhaus area). Then the transition to Arrendelle wouldn't be so sudden and jarring. Or perhaps redo the line for the ride to start off as a museum about the influences of real Norse culture, architecture, fashion, and mythology that influenced Frozen transitioning into the ride (a more on the nose version of how Maelstrom transitioned you into the ride). OR redo the entrance/exit/shops so the entrance to the queue is next to the Summerhaus instead if the main section of the pavilion so it doesn't clash as much.


But how they did it was lazy and shoehorned in
 

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