Casey Jr Climbers

Club Cooloholic

Club Cooloholic

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easyrowrdw said:
If you went there you’d see plenty of kids (or maybe not because they were in the caves lol). But kids just running around and using their imagination doesn’t sell line skips or merchandise.
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I also don't know if parents made it a point to get there when maybe they should have. Everyone comes to MK with an agenda, and taking an hour or so out for the day for TSI often isn't in there, but I guarantee you most kids under 12 were happy to get over there.
I also think it would have been nice if they updated and added a few things, the one in DL certainly has bit more to it.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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easyrowrdw said:
If you went there you’d see plenty of kids (or maybe not because they were in the caves lol). But kids just running around and using their imagination doesn’t sell line skips or merchandise.
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One needs to define "plenty". The days of Davy Crockett are long over. Sure a few get to run around and burn off some energy, but in recent years it is comparatively few of the total number of humans in the park. It had a good run for many years but in the end the only real fun came from riding the minute long ride on the raft to the island. It could have stayed since it was probably one of the lowest maintenance things in the park. However, if it's removal means that something more exciting and a massively bigger adventure happens because of that, then it is logical and even better for everyone.
 
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easyrowrdw

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Club Cooloholic said:
I also don't know if parents made it a point to get there when maybe they should have. Everyone comes to MK with an agenda, and taking an hour or so out for the day for TSI often isn't in there, but I guarantee you most kids under 12 were happy to get over there.
I also think it would have been nice if they updated and added a few things, the one in DL certainly has bit more to it.
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For sure. You want to get to the rides and especially when you’re paying for a line skipping service you want to get your money’s worth. I was resistant to making the trip at first, but once we did the kids loved it and it became a regular thing for us.
 
Club Cooloholic

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Goofyernmost said:
One needs to define "plenty". The days of Davy Crockett are long over. Sure a few get to run around and burn off some energy, but in recent years it is comparatively few of the total number of humans in the park. It had a good run for many years but in the end the only real fun came from riding the minute long ride on the raft to the island. It could have stayed since it was probably one of the lowest maintenance things in the park. However, if it's removal means that something more exciting and a massively bigger adventure happens because of that, then it is logical and even better for everyone.
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The raft was the least fun part of that for me and my brood, so I guess fun means something to different people. If anything making it easier to access the island would have probably brought more people to it, including those unruly kids you that need the physical outlet most.
I still say improve and update what's there, rather than scrap and replace. There is room somewhere for the bigger adventure in all of WDW.
 
Baloo124

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What's wrong with installing small signage around the fence asking to please not climb, like they've added to the Mexico pavilion exterior to keep drunkards from scaling the pyramid?
 
WorldExplorer

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My favorite thing is when a cast member shows up and tells the kids to get off of the thing they should obviously not be climbing on, then the parent leaps into action to yell "I told you! I told you to get down! And now look, you're in trouble!".

Lady...if you told them...why are they still up there? Why are you okay with them ignoring you? Why do they listen to this random person in a silly outfit more than you? Why have you not picked them up, given they are tiny and you are an adult?
 
Ayla

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donaldtoo said:
When our children (all 3 now in their 30’s) were little, both my wife and myself used to take them shopping together, as much as was reasonably possible. No leaving all the kids home with 1 parent while the other went out and did the shopping.
2 reasons…
We felt they needed to be out in public as much as possible from an early age, to learn how to behave properly in said public, and I was there to remove any offending children.
As a result, all 3 are very well-liked, respectful and productive adults.
And, our 2 young granddaughters (4 and 6) are very well-behaved, and well on their way to same.
Bottom line…
The “inconvenience” of doin’ the parenting thing correctly from the beginning is nothing compared to the “inconvenience” you’ll face later on down the road, when your kids are self-absorbed, disliked, snots.
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We did the same with ours, who are now 28 and 24. Once they were old enough to walk alongside the cart at the grocery store, they had to hang onto the cart to make sure they wouldn't run away. They both still do it sometimes on the rare occasion we are in a store together with a cart. 😂 I remind them if they run away now, it's no longer my problem. 😂
 
donaldtoo

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Ayla said:
We did the same with ours, who are now 28 and 24. Once they were old enough to walk alongside the cart at the grocery store, they had to hang onto the cart to make sure they wouldn't run away. They both still do it sometimes on the rare occasion we are in a store together with a cart. 😂 I remind them if they run away now, it's no longer my problem. 😂
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:hilarious:
Yea, there are too many people out there that have children that don’t actually parent. Please, don’t have children if you’re gonna’ be that irresponsible. It ain’t easy, but my wife and myself knew that goin’ in. We both come from 4-sibling families. Our kids are 3 years and 2 months apart from youngest to oldest, so they were all pretty little at the same time.
Although our special needs son (middle child, so throw that in the mix ;)) is still at home with us, our daughters have been out on their own for many years now.

Back to the shopping with them, there is an infamous incident that I’ve related on this site before…
We were all shopping together at Walmart one morning. Our youngest wanted something and we told her no.
Well, the proverbial fit ensued. I pulled her aside and tried to explain and calm her down…no dice.
With that, I scooped her up, kicking and screaming, under my arm and headed for the exit.
Just as soon as I got outside with her, the little rat started screaming at the top of her lungs “HEEELLLLLP, MOOOMMMMMY…!!!!! HEEELLLLLLLLLLLP…!!!!!!!!!! You can just imagine all the people within earshot with their eyes now on me…!!!!! :eek::hilarious: I quickly explained the situation, then headed off to strap her in our van.
Took me way too long to finally get her strapped in her car seat, still kicking and screaming, but I stuck to my guns.
She finally calmed down shortly before my wife showed up with our other 2 kids.
Takeaway…
She never tried that EVER again, because she knew we wouldn’t put up with it.
Also, our kids never had any issues with alcohol, drugs, promiscuity, sneaking’ out, etc., while growing up, and not now either.
And yes, along with attributing all that to the best parenting we could do, my wife and myself also attribute the way our kids turned out to 2 other factors…
The involvement of their grandparents (my folks and my MIL) in their lives, and just plain luck. None of that is lost on us, but we also did the best we could, so have no regrets in that regard…!!! :)
 
donaldtoo

donaldtoo

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Baloo124 said:
What's wrong with installing small signage around the fence asking to please not climb, like they've added to the Mexico pavilion exterior to keep drunkards from scaling the pyramid?
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Most little kids don’t read all that well in the first place, and, hopefully, aren’t drunkards to boot…?!?!?! 🤔😁:hilarious:;)
 
Goofyernmost

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Club Cooloholic said:
The raft was the least fun part of that for me and my brood, so I guess fun means something to different people. If anything making it easier to access the island would have probably brought more people to it, including those unruly kids you that need the physical outlet most.
I still say improve and update what's there, rather than scrap and replace. There is room somewhere for the bigger adventure in all of WDW.
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I generally agree, but what we think and what Disney will do are two completely different things. I'm just trying to rationalize the entire action and necessity of removing anything unless it is absolutely deserted. So I can do that by thinking about what is planned to replace it and thinking that it is an overall positive. I'm willing to bet that is the same way that Disney management is thinking. MK was originally planned as a circle path with everything either on it or branching closely off it. Wheel and Hub. They do have land enough to put Cars elsewhere, but they can't just keep going outward an unlimited distance before it becomes less attractive to the guests to get too. The largest part of the expansion has to be closest to the wheel. They also have to make it so that the entrance to the utilidors in the back are not seen by the guests. Nothing would ruin the magic quicker than something like that. Even Walt would have realized that the wild west days were over and something more current needed to replace it. W
 
FerretAfros

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Cmdr_Crimson said:
They added the fence a few months after they installed him when they saw that kids were climbing all over the the front part of the train.
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As I recall there was no fence when the area first became visible (wether that was for previews or simply the contruction walls coming down, I cannot recall), but the fence was in place by opening day. This website and video confirm that the fence was present when it officially opened:

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Pics and Video of Grand Opening of Casey Jr. Splash N Soak Station at Magic Kingdom - Doctor Disney

As in usual fashion, the Magic Kingdom did an unannounced opening of another section of the Storybook Circus over in the Fantasyland Expansion. This time, it was the Casey Jr. Splash N Soak Station, and it is very fitting of its name. Friday, June 15, 2012 marked the first date it was ever open...
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At the time it was generally understood that this was some sort of scope gap failure between WDI and the lawyers. Presumably the cab was originally intended for guests to enter, but nobody fully thought through the various (safety and accessibility) issues of the locomotive as a whole until the project was nearly finished, at which point there wasn't time to create an attractive or elegant solution.

Failures like this should be an indictment of Disney's "too many cooks in the kitchen" design approach still not generating the products they purport. The play area should have been designed to avoid creating an "attractive nuisance" in the first place, and a better solution to the hasty fix should have been found at some point in the interventing years.

Inattentive parents and feral children deserve their share of blame as well, but ultimately this is a problem of Disney's own creation.
 

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