I love the rivers. But it was not being used like other parks. Disneyland has Fantasmic on their river. Paris has Thunder on their island. It’s a beautiful area and I can’t fault that. However, I am more interested in geysers that look like Yellowstone or mountains like the Rocky Mountains. That’s just going to be my preference.
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MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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TrainsOfDisney
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so wouldn’t the answer be to add to the rivers and use them better?
Casper Gutman
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Why does a beautiful space that is absolutely integral to the aesthetic and storytelling of a third of the park and three of its biggest headliners need to be more “used?” Magic Kingdom did not lack expansion space. This position makes sense only if you have huge amounts of Disney stock.
Casper Gutman
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Trying to equate Tom Sawyer to Cars as IP is disingenuous.
“The American West has always been about keeping your eyes on the horizon … believing in yourself, carving your own path, and striving toward success. That goes for miners in the mountains, bears from the country, a princess from the bayou … or a racecar from the big city - Josh D’Amaro
"Here we experience the story of our country's past... the colorful drama of Frontier America in the exciting days of the covered wagon and the stagecoach... the advent of the railroad...and the romantic riverboat." - Walt Disney
The difference is staggering. It is easy to tell which one is dedicating to a theme and which one is saying anything can be the theme.
Flick from a Bug's life would fit perfectly in this tripe from the Josh. What hero's Journey story would not under this garbage?
"Here we experience the story of our country's past... the colorful drama of Frontier America in the exciting days of the covered wagon and the stagecoach... the advent of the railroad...and the romantic riverboat." - Walt Disney
The difference is staggering. It is easy to tell which one is dedicating to a theme and which one is saying anything can be the theme.
Flick from a Bug's life would fit perfectly in this tripe from the Josh. What hero's Journey story would not under this garbage?
Brer Panther
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Say, weren't they gonna have It's Tough to Be a Bug in Hong Kong Disneyland's Frontierland before that got the axe?
Tha Realest
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No. You missed my use of the word “shoehorn.” In that instance it’s being used as a verb, meaning, “to force or compress into an insufficient space or period of time.” This silly new way to define Frontierland is a way they give themselves license to do as they want.
As far as “changing an IP for a different IP,” that also makes no sense. At the time TSI was built it had long been in the public domain, meaning it was literally no one’s unique property, whereas Cars is an IP owned by Disney which they vigilantly protect.
John park hopper
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Tropical storm coming --hope it fills it back up
Purduevian
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Assuming the track layout I made from the concept art is a least partially right, I think the red/yellow sections might be higher speed. I assume purple is load/unload is basically under the green.
FettFan
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The entire thesis of Cars was “people should get away from the daily rat race and learn to enjoy the forgotten charm of a nostalgic past”. To get a feel for this thesis, the animators took a road trip along the old kitschy landmarks of historic Route 66 that were left mostly abandoned by the “progress” of the interstate highway system.
Lightning McQueen came to understand that the citizens of Radiator Springs weren’t just a bunch of old fogeys/country bumpkins stuck in the past, but a vibrant community all their own, so much so that he worked to revitalize the town and make it his base of operations to introduce its quaint charm to those who would normally write it off.
So really, bulldozing Tom Sawyer Island and retiring the Liberty Belle for Cars is proof that nobody at Disney actually understands the franchise outside of short term monetary gains.
aladdin2007
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This, we have Vahle and D'Amaro to thank for that
easyrowrdw
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Luke Skywalker has an all-time hero’s journey. And space is the final frontier (different IP but whatever) so I’d say it’s a perfect fit.
CoastalElite64
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The ride vehicles for Cars MK appear to be smaller 2 - 2 seaters. I think that will help the racetrack feel longer than it will be.
How would you add to the rivers? I’d love to hear.
And I don’t. But I also don’t doubt that Imagineers will do great with creating an aesthetic that is honorary of the rivers, island, and natural elements. But I will ask - what is the story behind Magic Kingdom’s Frontierland? And how does each headliner directly have ties to the river? Curious to know as I’m always up to learn more about the parks!
Smiley/OCD
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Also included in that was Manifest Destiny…basically keep moving west…the early settlers moving west didn’t stop to repurpose the land they already had…so, Josh, keep moving BEYOND TSI and EXPAND beyond…
Bocabear
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They could have easily added to the scenery and settings instead of removing things over time... The riverboat could have told a much more engaging story and journey if they had invested in new sets and features....which would have also benefitted the lackluster views from the train. If our train and riverboat had more to see, attendance would never have a dip...but like most things MK, they let it go....and let it go for far too long. Likewise with TSI, the added practically nothing to that island since it opened in the early 70s. They could have added new features here and there over the years....they could have made Aunt Polly's a real destination location for an insta-worthy snack you could only get there... new additions could have kept the island more popular... Revisiting it for the last time a month ago was particularly sad with the state of decay... water features dried up and not flowing...Mill no longer operational...areas roped off... ugly cool-white lightbulbs in the cavern and escape tunnel lanterns.... All bad show... The Fort looked pretty good though!
It was poorly conveyed and he didn't stick the landing. Not ideal but probably should have been closer to: The American West has always been about looking toward the horizon, believing in yourself, and carving your own path. It’s the story of hopeful miners deep in the mountains, folksy bears in the Northwoods, a princess from the bayou stirring up new adventures, and a city slicker racecar longing to chase the open air—all driven by the same spirit. Trailblazers forging new paths in the Frontier.
el_super
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How is this still being argued? The river had to be removed because it was underutilized. It was underutilized because it was unwanted. The customers, not Disney, turned away from those themes and stories years ago.
You can't keep expending a park with attractions and areas going unused and unwanted. The customers still have to pay for the upkeep of those areas they are not using. Continually expanding the park, and leaving the unused parts would just result in increasing admission costs. Customers don't want to pay for things they're not using.
el_super
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Having seen what they did at Disneyland, I'm guessing they knew it wasn't worth the cost. It would have been a lot of money, for not a lot of return. It makes sense that they would rather spend money on a new project that would have more lasting power over time, than continually shoveling money into their own oak island.