MK New Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

DisneyHead123

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Probably pretty tough - partly depends on what you mean by "large" and best bet would be to have a longer onsite stay and schedule this for as far it is your trip as you can to take advantage of the 60+10 functionality and be on right at 6am EST to reserve it ... That at least is working Geo-82

Large is about 15 people although if I got a reservation for 3 I would check it out with my husband and son. We will be staying onsite. Thinking this may be one for 2026 but I’ll probably do a reservation finder just in case.
 

TheMaxRebo

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Large is about 15 people although if I got a reservation for 3 I would check it out with my husband and son. We will be staying onsite. Thinking this may be one for 2026 but I’ll probably do a reservation finder just in case.

15 is probably tough for sure, maybe have a few people try for smaller groups around the same time?
 

Horizonsfan

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Apologies if this was mentioned already, but Bioreconstruct's latest photos seem to show that the courtyard adjacent to the POTC queue has been enclosed:

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Here's some images of the courtyard in question from a recent-ish refurb:

https://blogmickey.com/2023/04/refu...-of-the-caribbean-courtyard-at-magic-kingdom/
 

larryz

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disneyC97

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Caribbean Plaza also lost multiple fountains and several distinct shop spaces starting in the 1990s (including the space the new bar is in)…there was also regular entertainment on the small stage where Jack Sparrow popped up several years back. All that plus the Pirates barker bird removal downgraded the whole area IMO.
 

Bocabear

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Caribbean Plaza also lost multiple fountains and several distinct shop spaces starting in the 1990s (including the space the new bar is in)…there was also regular entertainment on the small stage where Jack Sparrow popped up several years back. All that plus the Pirates barker bird removal downgraded the whole area IMO.
I would agree... I think this whole area could use some Placemaking....to make it really feel like the best setting for the attraction... right now it is just vaguely spanish feeling, fountains are long gone as are the performers who used to occupy the stage there....
 

JMcMahonEsq

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Caribbean Plaza also lost multiple fountains and several distinct shop spaces starting in the 1990s (including the space the new bar is in)…there was also regular entertainment on the small stage where Jack Sparrow popped up several years back. All that plus the Pirates barker bird removal downgraded the whole area IMO.
The modern trend for LEED designs and water conservation generally utilize water features like fountains and such only if there is a efficiency in doing so, if it integrates a nature water source, and/or it helps serve a water management purpose. It shouldn't be shocking the phasing out of fountains and other water intensive features that only serve an esthetic purpose.
 

Bocabear

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The modern trend for LEED designs and water conservation generally utilize water features like fountains and such only if there is a efficiency in doing so, if it integrates a nature water source, and/or it helps serve a water management purpose. It shouldn't be shocking the phasing out of fountains and other water intensive features that only serve an esthetic purpose.
Yet it is shocking....Theme Parks are all about aesthetics... a dry fountain filled with plants is not charming, nor does it help with the placemaking of the attraction.there are other water features nearby like the ones arounf the Tangled Toilets that were certainly expanded... At one time, the sound of running water was everywhere.... Waterfalls, fountains, running streams... Bringing back some of these lost elements would add a lot to the overall feel of the area.
 

JMcMahonEsq

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Yet it is shocking....Theme Parks are all about aesthetics... a dry fountain filled with plants is not charming, nor does it help with the placemaking of the attraction.there are other water features nearby like the ones arounf the Tangled Toilets that were certainly expanded... At one time, the sound of running water was everywhere.... Waterfalls, fountains, running streams... Bringing back some of these lost elements would add a lot to the overall feel of the area.
It shouldn't be shocking. Sure its a theme park. That doesn't mean it lives in a vacuum, outside what has become standard engineer practices, water conservation practices, environmental considerations. That is one of the many points on Green/LEED engineering and modern standards. You don't waste water simply because something "looks nice" or gives some people fees.
 

Bocabear

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It shouldn't be shocking. Sure its a theme park. That doesn't mean it lives in a vacuum, outside what has become standard engineer practices, water conservation practices, environmental considerations. That is one of the many points on Green/LEED engineering and modern standards. You don't waste water simply because something "looks nice" or gives some people fees.
and yet the park is adding tons of new water features according the the concept art, specifically for those purposes... the small fountains that they have removed or converted to planters were not particular water hogs...lol the water is recirculating too...yes some does evaporate...but the park is basically sitting in a swamp. I would understand it more if this park was in arid Southern California where water conservation is a bigger issue...
 

FigmentFan82

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Did we get an opening date for this yet? I feel like it should be close, no?
Also I feel like this lounge will hopefully perhaps lead to some extra passing in and around the Caribbean Plaza area.
Fingers crossed.
 

JMcMahonEsq

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and yet the park is adding tons of new water features according the the concept art, specifically for those purposes... the small fountains that they have removed or converted to planters were not particular water hogs...lol the water is recirculating too...yes some does evaporate...but the park is basically sitting in a swamp. I would understand it more if this park was in arid Southern California where water conservation is a bigger issue...
The major water features that are being added, and lets be fair concept art is simply that, concepts that look pretty but aren't final design drawings, are from what i have seen, larger water retention type ponds, connecting waterways that are all going to be part of the water management system. It's not that you can't utilzie water features as part of designs, but it should serve a function, and utilize water for something other than just pumping in water to a fountain because it looks pretty.
 

Gusey

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Did we get an opening date for this yet? I feel like it should be close, no?
Also I feel like this lounge will hopefully perhaps lead to some extra passing in and around the Caribbean Plaza area.
Fingers crossed.
It's expected to open late 2025 at the moment. They've only just announced July openings at the moment, so we'll probably here something a lot later on. It probably depends on how far along they are with construcction
 

TheMaxRebo

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Did we get an opening date for this yet? I feel like it should be close, no?
Also I feel like this lounge will hopefully perhaps lead to some extra passing in and around the Caribbean Plaza area.
Fingers crossed.

no - there was that weird thing where people attending the Halloween party would be able to reserve a spot during the party there but then that got taken down. That led to some thought it would be ready (at least for like partial openings) but then (which is less than 2 months away) but who knows now beyond "late 2025"
 

Bocabear

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The major water features that are being added, and lets be fair concept art is simply that, concepts that look pretty but aren't final design drawings, are from what i have seen, larger water retention type ponds, connecting waterways that are all going to be part of the water management system. It's not that you can't utilzie water features as part of designs, but it should serve a function, and utilize water for something other than just pumping in water to a fountain because it looks pretty.
we are talking relatively little water to run the small fountain in Caribbean plaza and some of the other small water features...they aren't even a blip. and frankly the larger water features expected for the cars thing are having water pumped in just because it looks pretty.... It is not serving any other purpose.... it is not cooling an engine system, it is not running water wheels to produce energy, it is not potable.... Solely for aesthetics.....
 

DisneyHead123

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we are talking relatively little water to run the small fountain in Caribbean plaza and some of the other small water features...they aren't even a blip. and frankly the larger water features expected for the cars thing are having water pumped in just because it looks pretty.... It is not serving any other purpose.... it is not cooling an engine system, it is not running water wheels to produce energy, it is not potable.... Solely for aesthetics.....

Yeah, I think conservation is wonderful but at a theme park, you’re already starting from the premise that some degree of mass consumerism, mass recreational travel, mass resource use solely for the sake of entertainment is ok. So it’s harder to make a case that resource-using elements don’t need to be there - technically none of it needs to be there. Disney parks are there to make life happier for people, they’re not necessary for survival. What the trade-off between positive mental states and resource use should be is up for debate, but basically everything in the parks uses resources that aren’t necessary for survival.
 

Tony the Tigger

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Yeah, I think conservation is wonderful but at a theme park, you’re already starting from the premise that some degree of mass consumerism, mass recreational travel, mass resource use solely for the sake of entertainment is ok. So it’s harder to make a case that resource-using elements don’t need to be there - technically none of it needs to be there. Disney parks are there to make life happier for people, they’re not necessary for survival. What the trade-off between positive mental states and resource use should be is up for debate, but basically everything in the parks uses resources that aren’t necessary for survival.
OTOH, Disney is an actively green-presenting company, with an overall message of conservation.

Maybe they are phasing out older fountains for more efficient uses of water.

It could also be something as mundane as something broke, and it would take digging up the area to replace 50 year old underground pipes, so they let it go for now.
 

DisneyHead123

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OTOH, Disney is an actively green-presenting company, with an overall message of conservation.

Maybe they are phasing out older fountains for more efficient uses of water.

It could also be something as mundane as something broke, and it would take digging up the area to replace 50 year old underground pipes, so they let it go for now.

I get wanting to go green, but the greenest possible thing would be no parks. So long as you have parks at all, you’ve basically said that some amount of resource use in the name of human happiness is ok, it’s just a debate over how much.
 

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