truecoat
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The sinks, along with any other system, will have a shutoff for maintenance. For example, repair/replace a faucet or a toilet that needs a new flapper.
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DCA's Hollywood Lounge Shut Down By County Health Inspectors
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The sinks, along with any other system, will have a shutoff for maintenance. For example, repair/replace a faucet or a toilet that needs a new flapper.
TrainsOfDisney
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Exactly. So it’s possible the hand wash sink was out of order while the soda fountain was working.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Yes, which makes this not really a big deal in the long run. It got tagged, likely due to things not related to this specific location, and Disney quickly fixed it and it reopened same day. If it was a larger closure then it would have been a story, likely one picked up by the media like KTLA.
That is why this is a big huge nothing burger of a story. And in reality I wouldn't even call it a story its just a poster with boredom.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Thank you, maybe I've miss them when around those kiosks.
dlr74
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Not the point I was trying to make. The person I was replying to mentioned that this would be a normal situation for other businesses. I said that it's expected for a place like a county fair to try and operate around the health codes, but people do not expect that from Disney.
TrainsOfDisney
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It’s more interesting than a construction wall going up to me.
A health code violation is a health code violation - doesn’t matter if the sink was not operational for 5 hours or 5 weeks.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
It is though? Construction updates affect us more than this. Because this isn't breaking news, it doesn't affect you one bit, unless you happen to be in the Park that day and trying to go to that specific location, in which this thread didn't even exist at the time so wouldn't have been helpful in that regard anyways. And since these closures aren't likely to last more than a couple hours for Disney, is not really better than gossip since it's after the fact.
TrainsOfDisney
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Seems like you may have an issue with the OP - there are threads on far more trivial things. It’s something that happened. It’s interesting and notable.
The OP made quite a few jokes about it… didn’t seem to take it that seriously.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Not at all, but a bigger deal is being made out of this than was needed, to the point where a dedicate thread wasn't even needed. This could have been a comment in passing in another thread. Its gossip, nothing more, and likely due to boredom, since there is no other major stories happening right now at DLR.
I've spent decades and decades in gay bars and straight bars, I've been to keg parties in many states from damp basements in Seattle to sweltering beaches in the Carolinas, and I've never heard anyone call a beer tap a "pour spout" before. But I guess there's always a first time!
No, you are incorrect.
The churro carts, and other carts that sell food items not in a sealed container or bag, all have hand wash sinks at them. They've had them for years. I've seen them for years. And there are years and years of OC Health Authority inspections where the inspector confirms that the sink at the ODV cart has both hot and cold running water working for the CM's use. Here's one from a few months ago in DCA's Hollywood Backlot, not far from the naughty Hollywood Lounge....
No, it was just a fun thing after a night out at dinner with California escapee friends. For the first time in decades of reading the OC Register's weekly list of restaurants shut down by health inspectors for code violations, I found a location at the Disneyland Resort! That's news!
Again, you are incorrect. A health inspector showed up for an unannounced inspection and found the Hollywood Lounge in violation of health codes. Specifically, it had no running water at the hand wash sink, and some Dockers-clad manager with bad judgement skills allowed it to open for the day. So it was shut down by the County until the violation could be fixed.
That's the best case scenario, that this plumbing problem just happened to develop on the same day the health inspector arrived for an unannounced inspection. The other scenarios involve this plumbing problem going back days or weeks, or involved a concerned CM whistleblower contacting the health authority after working several shifts there with no running water. Let's hope it's the former, and not the latter.
Luckily, unlike the Hong Phat Deli or Ramona's Carniceria, DCA has plumbers and tradesmen on staff who could immediately respond and begin to fix the problem. A problem that should have been fixed long before the booze stand opened for paying customers, per documented OC and California health codes.
Exactly, thank you!
I would imagine that Disneyland's vaunted (once-vaunted?) training program and it's layers of cubicle drones in TDA (now working from home in sweatpants) have well documented which Resort food service locations must follow which health authority codes for their specific operation and offering. And the CM's trained to operate those locations are held to that legal standard.
This didn't just spring out of nowhere. That snack bar is over 25 years old. It has a plumbed in sink that meets health and building codes. It just wasn't running the day the health inspector showed up for the surprise inspection, and some dumb Dockers-clad manager told the CM's to open the booze stand anyways. Oops!
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Disney Irish
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Having worked in bars I can tell you they are called by a few names including pour spouts, also known as beer faucets and beer taps.I've spent decades and decades in gay bars and straight bars, I've been to keg parties in many states from damp basements in Seattle to sweltering beaches in the Carolinas, and I've never heard anyone call a beer tap a "pour spout" before. But I guess there's always a first time!
This was address by another poster who I trust more with this type of information, but thank you.
Its not news, its gossip. And the fact that it came up at one of your dinners shows it, and you know it. You must be bored.
This is all at best supposition and at worse assumption and guessing by you and several others here. You don't know the details of ANY of this beyond the inspection report, and even that doesn't provide any details of the circumstances. You don't know the circumstances under which the inspection happened so the "unannounced" part is a guess, you don't know the circumstances in which this particular sink didn't have water or for how long which again is a guess when taking about it, you don't even know the circumstance in which it was resolved which again is a guess. You know nothing, and its clear based on your multiple scenarios you propose. Again this isn't news, its gossip.
Are you calling the Orange County Register a gossip rag?!?
You know they've won Pulitzers, right? They even have avowed Socialists on staff now! They are a serious news organization, not a supermarket tabloid rag like the Enquirer.Their long running weekly column "Orange County Restaurants Shut Down By Health Inspectors" was a decades-long favorite of mine. And last Saturday night when I tried to access it again, I realized my old subscription to the Register was inactive. Luckily, they were running an Independence Day Special and I got a full year of access for only $1! So we've got a year's worth of fun ahead of us still! Dockers-clad managers beware!
Orange County restaurants shut down by health inspectors (June 19-26)
There were 11 restaurants and food establishments ordered closed by Orange County inspectors from June 19 to June 26.
www.ocregister.com
Disney Irish
Premium Member
No, I'm calling this thread gossip as its nothing more than trying to stir up "something juicy" about something that isn't really affecting anyone as no guests were affected. Its not news. It was a small closure that was quickly resolved. Nothing more. I'm sure a bunch of locations within DLR go through the same thing all the time, we just never hear about it because they either don't get tagged during an inspection or don't get noticed by a bored poster.Are you calling the Orange County Register a gossip rag?!?
Their long running weekly column "Orange County Restaurants Shut Down By Health Inspectors" was a decades-long favorite of mine. And last Saturday night when I tried to access it again, I realized my old subscription to the Register was inactive. Luckily, they were running an Independence Day Special and I got a full year of access for only $1! So we've got a year's worth of fun ahead of us still! Dockers-clad managers beware!
Orange County restaurants shut down by health inspectors (June 19-26)
There were 11 restaurants and food establishments ordered closed by Orange County inspectors from June 19 to June 26.
Also if it really is news, where are the pictures of the closure? The inspection tag? Where is the CM quotes? Where is the "inside" details? And yet we have none of that. We just have your post, a gossip post.
The Empress Lilly
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I'm reminded of 'a bowl of M&M's on the table, no brown ones'.
That's not to cater to an excessive celeb ego. It exists because with one look you can see if an organization read 'Requirement 67.2 E'. And if they didn't, then what else did they miss? And if they did, but two small brown ones at the bottom escaped their attention, then what other corners did they cut?
Maybe TDA just had excessively bad timing. Just a tap that somebody turned off briefly. That happens.
Or maybe TDA has incompetent lower management, or local ops, always under pressure, focuses on their numbers over all else. These are health regulations after all, and like a fire code, you follow them to the letter. It's not without reason that you simply get shut down, effective immediately, rather than get fined.
I can't tell either way, one event provides inconclusive material either way. But it can be indicative of a general management style. And then one day you're Disney, and then the next day you're Boeing, cutting corners and chasing money rather than engineering standards, until the drama happens.
That's not to cater to an excessive celeb ego. It exists because with one look you can see if an organization read 'Requirement 67.2 E'. And if they didn't, then what else did they miss? And if they did, but two small brown ones at the bottom escaped their attention, then what other corners did they cut?
Maybe TDA just had excessively bad timing. Just a tap that somebody turned off briefly. That happens.
Or maybe TDA has incompetent lower management, or local ops, always under pressure, focuses on their numbers over all else. These are health regulations after all, and like a fire code, you follow them to the letter. It's not without reason that you simply get shut down, effective immediately, rather than get fined.
I can't tell either way, one event provides inconclusive material either way. But it can be indicative of a general management style. And then one day you're Disney, and then the next day you're Boeing, cutting corners and chasing money rather than engineering standards, until the drama happens.
lazyboy97o
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The fire code is full of ifs and exceptions and has fairly simple mechanisms for additional exceptions and differences.
Again, the health regulations allow self-service drink dispensers.
TrainsOfDisney
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I’m not sure what that has to do with this?
Yes, there are things they allow and don’t allow.
The Empress Lilly
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I do not profess to any particular insight into Californian/Anaheimian health and fire regulations.
Presumably though, no if or exception applied here as the place was ordered to cease operation.
Upon further reading this thread, it did occur to me that if one for decades religiously reads 'Orange County Restaurants Shut Down By Health Inspectors', and only one trivial incident shows up (else we'd have been made aware of it in this thread), then this seems to point to TDA not having sloppy standards, but rather the opposite, considering the scale of operations and lengthy time period. A forgettable incident then of neither consequence nor indicativeness of larger problems.
lazyboy97o
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Perspective and context. Self-service drink dispensers don’t have a sink right next to them and nobody is under the illusion that guests are washing their wands before using them. We accept that despite being handled by a lot of people of questionable cleanliness the way they operate is going to keep them generally safe. But, if you turn that machine around so that only employees are using it then they do have to follow food handling procedures, even if the only thing they’re doing at that venue is selling drinks.
No running water is an immediate close violation. It’s not something you want inspectors having wiggle room on. I’m not saying the closure was unwarranted either, just that this is a weirdly specific case. The things happening at this venue are largely things the health code allows to occur without everyone following safe food handling procedures.I do not profess to any particular insight into Californian/Anaheimian health and fire regulations.
Presumably though, no if or exception applied here as the place was ordered to cease operation.
TrainsOfDisney
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Correct - but the employees who are cleaning those machines, stocking the supplies, and refilling the ice still have to access to a hand washing sink.
Maybe. At the exact right time, just moments before the county health inspector showed up for their annual unannounced inspection. Their last inspection of the Hollywood Lounge was in October, 2024, and they passed.
But that assumes incredibly bad timing and horrible luck on the part of the Hollywood Lounge management.
I think this is getting closer to what appears to have happened.
There's a reason why the weekly list of restaurants shut down by the county is full of greasy spoon hole-in-the-walls you've never heard of (and probably wouldn't visit) in grungy strip malls, but the list very rarely has places run by franchisees or big restaurant companies, or swanky expensive places in Newport Beach or upscale neighborhoods.
It's an issue of standards; having high standards to begin with, and then having effective on site management that keeps the standards abided by. Stuff like basic health codes are Restaurant 101 level management, far more important to the operation than how personable the bartender is or if the hostess has done her hairdo properly before her shift.
There's at least one of TDA's Dockers-clad managers obviously not living up to basic health code standards. I'm sure the reprimand over this forced closure was swift and concise. But it makes you wonder... what else are they not doing?
