Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Tony the Tigger

Tony the Tigger

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Phroobar said:
Except it should have come out last year. Disney knew the movie schedule and purposely put it there with very little advertising.
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Yeah, I don’t get the scheduling.

And I don’t think the trailers were particularly compelling. Then again, I’m no longer 12 years old. I haven’t seen most animated films since the 90’s, though a few break through.

I’m curious to those who have seen it: did the trailers “match” the film?

I’m hearing people find it touching, get choked up, etc; and putting out the reason for that in a trailer probably wouldn’t make much sense - it might lose its punch.

Nemo, for example, had a compelling one-liner: Dad fish can’t find his kid.

Elio, all I see is lonely goes to space and makes a friend.
 
Phroobar

Phroobar

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Tony the Tigger said:
Yeah, I don’t get the scheduling.

And I don’t think the trailers were particularly compelling. Then again, I’m no longer 12 years old. I haven’t seen most animated films since the 90’s, though a few break through.

I’m curious to those who have seen it: did the trailers “match” the film?

I’m hearing people find it touching, get choked up, etc; and putting out the reason for that in a trailer probably wouldn’t make much sense - it might lose its punch.

Nemo, for example, had a compelling one-liner: Dad fish can’t find his kid.

Elio, all I see is lonely goes to space and makes a friend.
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From what I've heard, the movie was scheduled to be released last year before Inside Out 2. Pixar panicked over the poor performance and controversy over Lightyear. Pete Docter started cleaning house of the activists. Resources were moved to Inside Out 2 to remove "questionable" content and fix the story. They could not let Inside Out 2 fail. That strategy worked but took away from fixing Elio.

In my opinion, I think they ran out of time fixing Elio and had to release what they had. They kind of wrote it off with less advertising to save money. Now they are free to work on Hoppers and Gatto.
 
brb1006

brb1006

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Tony the Tigger said:
Yeah, I don’t get the scheduling.

And I don’t think the trailers were particularly compelling. Then again, I’m no longer 12 years old. I haven’t seen most animated films since the 90’s, though a few break through.

I’m curious to those who have seen it: did the trailers “match” the film?

I’m hearing people find it touching, get choked up, etc; and putting out the reason for that in a trailer probably wouldn’t make much sense - it might lose its punch.

Nemo, for example, had a compelling one-liner: Dad fish can’t find his kid.

Elio, all I see is lonely goes to space and makes a friend.
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The original teaser for Elio came out almost 3 years ago and had a somewhat different story and characterization. The original teaser was posted before the film gained rewrites.
 
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TP2000

TP2000

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brb1006 said:
I'll elaborate on the Disney Parks history when it comes to bringing newer characters into the parks later. But for now I'm going back to bed.
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What'd I tell you guys? @brb1006 is an absolute blessing of information and knowledge to this site!

I'm looking forward to the follow up info on new Characters being used in the Parks as marketing for new movies! But for now, I've never known someone who deserves a long cat nap more than brb1006. 😴
 
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TP2000

TP2000

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Phroobar said:
From what I've heard, the movie was scheduled to be released last year before Inside Out 2. Pixar panicked over the poor performance and controversy over Lightyear. Pete Docter started cleaning house of the activists. Resources were moved to Inside Out 2 to remove "questionable" content and fix the story. They could not let Inside Out 2 fail. That strategy worked but took away from fixing Elio.

In my opinion, I think they ran out of time fixing Elio and had to release what they had. They kind of wrote it off with less advertising to save money. Now they are free to work on Hoppers and Gatto.
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Ah, okay! Now that's making some sense on what caused Elio to bomb as it has. Thank you for that.

This might just be a problem of waiting to flush the system out of the movies co-written by our Betters in HR from 2019-2023, and get back to movies written by actual storytellers who know their core audience (American families with young children) very well. It would seem that by Thanksgiving 2026, or Summer 2027 at the latest, the older HR Approved movies will all have been flushed out of the Emeryville pipes.

It's a minor miracle though that they did all that and still kept the budget to $150 Million, which is cheap for Pixar.
 
Phroobar

Phroobar

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TP2000 said:
Ah, okay! Now that's making some sense on what caused Elio to bomb as it has. Thank you for that.

This might just be a problem of waiting to flush the system out of the movies co-written by our Betters in HR from 2019-2023, and get back to movies written by actual storytellers who know their core audience (American families with young children) very well. It would seem that by Thanksgiving 2026, or Summer 2027 at the latest, the older HR Approved movies will all have been flushed out of the Emeryville pipes.

It's a minor miracle though that they did all that and still kept the budget to $150 Million, which is cheap for Pixar.
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I don't think the $150million covers the last year costs but I don't cook Pixar's books. This guy might know though:

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Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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TP2000 said:
Ah, okay! Now that's making some sense on what caused Elio to bomb as it has. Thank you for that.

This might just be a problem of waiting to flush the system out of the movies co-written by our Betters in HR from 2019-2023, and get back to movies written by actual storytellers who know their core audience (American families with young children) very well. It would seem that by Thanksgiving 2026, or Summer 2027 at the latest, the older HR Approved movies will all have been flushed out of the Emeryville pipes.

It's a minor miracle though that they did all that and still kept the budget to $150 Million, which is cheap for Pixar.
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Except having seen the movie, that outline of events doesn't jive. As the story of Elio is fleshed out and doesn't have any signs of being "HR driven". So while things were reworked, as we know it was due to scheduling conflicts with one of the main actresses, they certainly didn't do a complete rewrite of the entire thing and redo all animation.
 
Ghost93

Ghost93

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I'm wondering if maybe the art style they chose for Elio (which is similar to the animation style used in Luca and Turning Red, where characters have bean-shaped mouths) is simply not appealing to wide audiences. Because the movie seems well reviewed by those who saw it. But something is clearly preventing many from wanting to see it in the first place.

I also think it's worth noting this is one of the few theatrically-released Pixar films where the MAIN CHARACTER is a very young child. In most Pixar movies, the main characters — whether they be Toys, Bugs, Monsters, Superheroes, emotions, elements or humans — are either adults or teenagers. Maybe having a kid who looks like he's about six as the lead makes the movie seem a lot more "kiddie" than most other Pixar films, therefore lacking the broad four-quadrant appeal. Young children may not have an issue with that, but a lot of older children and teens may not be interested in that.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's just a few theories. As far as I know, there hasn't been any major political controversies surrounding Elio. It's just kind of flown under the radar.
 
Phroobar

Phroobar

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This trailer from two years ago is very different. He doesn't want to be abducted. Somehow the government made contact and the aliens grabbed Elio. There is a trail of Earth. No wishing to get away from Earth. He keeps the eye patch the entire movie. No hint of a psychedelic adventure with alien-Heimlich. This trailer shows a lot rewrites.


 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Phroobar said:
This trailer from two years ago is very different. He doesn't want to be abducted. Somehow the government made contact and the aliens grabbed Elio. There is a trail of Earth. No wishing to get away from Earth. He keeps the eye patch the entire movie. No hint of a psychedelic adventure with alien-Heimlich. This trailer shows a lot rewrites.


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Except you can see elements of that trailer in the final product including full scenes being used. So while dialog might have been rewritten and scenes reworked I don't think its that far off. I think the main differences is trading out the mom for the aunt character (not a spoiler) all of her scenes from the trailer appear to be there in the final product and the "trial" being replaced by the ambassador admission program. I actually think the latter is actually a better story anyways.
 
Tha Realest

Tha Realest

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Disney Irish said:
Except you can see elements of that trailer in the final product including full scenes being used. So while dialog might have been rewritten and scenes reworked I don't think its that far off. I think the main differences is trading out the mom for the aunt character (not a spoiler) all of her scenes from the trailer appear to be there in the final product and the "trial" being replaced by the ambassador admission program. I actually think the latter is actually a better story anyways.
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TLDR for all your posts: These changes and financial losses are meaningless, and actually good depending on how you choose to look at it.
 
Phroobar

Phroobar

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Disney Irish said:
Except you can see elements of that trailer in the final product including full scenes being used. So while dialog might have been rewritten and scenes reworked I don't think its that far off. I think the main differences is trading out the mom for the aunt character (not a spoiler) and the "trial" rather than the ambassador admission program. I actually think the latter is actually a better story anyways.
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Since we don't know the state it was in March 2024, we don't know how much more was changed. From that trailer it had a completely different vibe. Sure it keep story elements but the original trailer went in a completely different direction. Instead, we got a story where a kid is so depressed about losing his parents and wants to leave Earth ("die?"). He is happy about getting abducted. He meets alien-Heimlich and stops the bad guy.

It's the same type of changes of story we saw in the Good Dinosaur. We got the same box office results.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Tha Realest said:
TLDR for all your posts: These changes and financial losses are meaningless, and actually good depending on how you choose to look at it.
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Never claimed any losses are meaningless, never have, never will. As far as any changes, do we know the original version was any better? A story rework can happen for all sorts of reasons, including that the original story just didn't work as originally told.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Phroobar said:
Since we don't know the state it was in March 2024, we don't know how much more was changed. From that trailer it had a completely different vibe. Sure it keep story elements but the original trailer went in a completely different direction. Instead, we got a story where a kid is so depressed about losing his parents and wants to leave Earth ("die?"). He is happy about getting abducted. He meets alien-Heimlich and stops the bad guy.
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The vibe is different of course, but the overall story elements are still there. So the broad strokes are kept, kid has first contact with aliens and becomes ambassador for Earth, but the finer details were what was changed

And really I think it makes for a deeper more meaningful story, as the abducted storyline of a kid I think could have been taken badly by audiences. And by all accounts audiences agree that this version has heart.

Phroobar said:
It's the same type of changes of story we saw in the Good Dinosaur.
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Maybe, but it also is a lot of assuming as you even admitted just above that we don't know the state of it in March 2024.

Phroobar said:
We got the same box office results.
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That remains to be seen.
 

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