Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Except it would be ideal marketing to do so now.
Don’t disagree, but it’s not like they do that anymore. This isn’t the 80s or 90s, marketing campaigns like that don’t happen anymore and may never again. Heck we’re lucky if we get a new parade in general let alone one that features any recent characters.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
Re: Stitch

Several weeks ago I said a movie should be expected to add another 2-fold of its prior weeks earnings, as kind of the normal tail.

3 weeks ago - It sat at 772.6M and had earned 161.8 implying 1.096B
2 weeks ago it sat at 858.4M and earned 85.8M implying 1.003B
This week it sits at 910.3M and earned 51.9M implying 1.014B

We can see it’s reasonably on track still. Yes it will probably be quite a while and HTTYD knocked it back a peg, but its recovering trajectory.
 
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Disney Irish

Premium Member
As we might say to other posters: too soon to call it a failure.

Bad timing against “Dragon” and, to a lesser degree, “Stitch.” Plenty of family fare from which to choose.

Reviews and word of mouth appear above average. School is out; maybe Elio pulls a Mufasa.
And despite its outward appearance as being number 1 Dragon is even starting to underperform. It’ll do better than breakeven, but it’s not gonna be a huge hit, may not even bring in as much as the animated movies. I really think it was too soon for Uni to make a live-action version of this franchise.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Re: Stitch

Several weeks ago I said a movie should be expected to add another 2-fold of its prior weeks earnings, as kind of the normal tail.

3 weeks ago - It sat at 772.6M and had earned 161.8 implying 1.096B
2 weeks ago it sat at 858.4M and earned 85.8M implying 10.03B
This week it sits at 910.3M and earned 51.9M implying 10.14B

We can see it’s reasonably on track still. Yes it will probably be quite a while and HTTYD knocked it back a peg, but its recovering trajectory.

Ten billion is quite impressive!!
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
As we might say to other posters: too soon to call it a failure.

Bad timing against “Dragon” and, to a lesser degree, “Stitch.” Plenty of family fare from which to choose.

Reviews and word of mouth appear above average. School is out; maybe Elio pulls a Mufasa.
It could have “amazing” legs and still be a failure.

Math and understanding of the goals is often lost here.

Don’t believe me…Disney didn’t really market it. They trying to tank their own great movie? Or making a calculated assessment?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Box Office first pass estimate is in for this weekend, and for Elio this one is definitely an Oof!

Elio did below its already modest opening estimates, at $21 Million domestically. It's worse overseas, at only $14 Million from foreign lands. Elio has already opened in all major countries except Japan, Spain, and Finland (Nordic not Scandinavian!) .


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…sure…use the NUMBERS again…when are you gonna learn that success is only measure by what we say on this thread?

…and what bob says…

Get with it
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
It could have “amazing” legs and still be a failure.

Math and understanding of the goals is often lost here.
Ah yes, the “goal” talk comes out. Please tell me again what Disney’s internal goals are, and please provide exact numbers. Don’t gaslight us with the “oh we know what they are” without actually telling us. Either provide the exact numbers or just admit that none of us actually know what Disney’s real internal goals are and then drop it.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Ah yes, the “goal” talk comes out. Please tell me again what Disney’s internal goals are, and please provide exact numbers. Don’t gaslight us with the “oh we know what they are” without actually telling us. Either provide the exact numbers or just admit that none of us actually know what Disney’s real internal goals are and then drop it.
To make the maximum amount of money possible…which is the best indicator of the potential for cross promotional sales, longevity, brand draw and sustainable profitability…

Not a wegovey commercial on your D+

There’ll be a quiz on Friday.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
To make the maximum amount of money possible…which is the best indicator of the potential for cross promotional sales, longevity, brand draw and sustainable profitability…

Not a wegovey commercial on your D+

There’ll be a quiz on Friday.
And how do you know they aren’t hitting those “goals” as if you have some internal memo. Also what does “maximum amount of money possible” mean, what is the exact number for each franchise? Is it $500M? $750M? $1B? $5B? $10T? What number? Because you do this, give some vague non-answer and gaslight us with this claim that is the “goal” and then expect everyone to move on as if you answered it. So I call bs, either provide an actual amount or admit you don’t know and don’t bring it up again.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Even Disneyland doesn't seem to care enough about Elio to even put the character in the Pixar parade during its opening weekend.

Great point. Is there even a Meet N' Greet in any of the parks? I haven't seen any mention of it in the Disneyland forum.

And just like the toy aisle at Target... How did they know to abandon Elio without any park representation? Just like designing toys, designing a character costume must take at least six months, maybe a year.

How'd they know Elio would bomb so far in advance that they never bothered with a park Meet N' Greet? 🤔

In all fairness when was the last time Disneyland put a brand new movie character in a parade during its opening weekend? The 90s? 80s? I think it’s been a few decades since they’ve done it.

While it would be difficult to shoehorn a Character's soundtrack into an existing parade soundtrack (though far easier/faster today than it was with 90's technology), it's easy to put Characters on finale' floats and such in an entourage of other Characters. That's happened several times in the 21st century in shows and parades.

But the real star of the Marketing Push is the Pre-Parade, and those didn't stop in the 1990's. If anything, Pre-Parades touting that summer's big tentpole from Disney or Pixar really came into their own in the 2000's and 2010's. Obviously though, they had forewarning not to bother with an Elio pre-parade.

Here's a Pixar themed Pre-Parade in DCA during the summer of 2015 to advertise Pixar's Inside Out, as an example. Because, you know, Disneyland's 60th Anniversary summer was so light on new entertainment and new parades that they needed to beef it up a bit with a Pre-Parade. 🤣🤣🤣



Who we really need here is this forum's end-all, be-all expert on all things Character and Parade related... @brb1006

Care to fill us in on the various Pre-Parades and New Character additions to existing parades that happened in the 21st century? I can think of several marketing Pre-Parades at Disneyland since Bill Clinton left the White House, in addition to that Pixar DCA example from '15. Right?
 

Baloo124

Premium Member
Great point. Is there even a Meet N' Greet in any of the parks? I haven't seen any mention of it in the Disneyland forum.

And just like the toy aisle at Target... How did they know to abandon Elio without any park representation? Just like designing toys, designing a character costume must take at least six months, maybe a year.

How'd they know Elio would bomb so far in advance that they never bothered with a park Meet N' Greet? 🤔



While it would be difficult to shoehorn a Character's soundtrack into an existing parade soundtrack (though far easier/faster today than it was with 90's technology), it's easy to put Characters on finale' floats and such in an entourage of other Characters. That's happened several times in the 21st century in shows and parades.

But the real star of the Marketing Push is the Pre-Parade, and those didn't stop in the 1990's. If anything, Pre-Parades touting that summer's big tentpole from Disney or Pixar really came into their own in the 2000's and 2010's. Obviously though, they had forewarning not to bother with an Elio pre-parade.

Here's a Pixar themed Pre-Parade in DCA during the summer of 2015 to advertise Pixar's Inside Out, as an example. Because, you know, Disneyland's 60th Anniversary summer was so light on new entertainment and new parades that they needed to beef it up a bit with a Pre-Parade. 🤣🤣🤣



Who we really need here is this forum's end-all, be-all expert on all things Character and Parade related... @brb1006

Care to fill us in on the various Pre-Parades and New Character additions to existing parades that happened in the 21st century? I can think of several marketing Pre-Parades at Disneyland since Bill Clinton left the White House, in addition to that Pixar DCA example from '15. Right?

Your memory definitely tops mine. I couldn't think of any theme park parades solely based on the release of a new animated feature since Mulan (1998).
 

brb1006

Well-Known Member
In all fairness when was the last time Disneyland put a brand new movie character in a parade during its opening weekend? The 90s? 80s? I think it’s been a few decades since they’ve done it.

Great point. Is there even a Meet N' Greet in any of the parks? I haven't seen any mention of it in the Disneyland forum.

And just like the toy aisle at Target... How did they know to abandon Elio without any park representation? Just like designing toys, designing a character costume must take at least six months, maybe a year.

How'd they know Elio would bomb so far in advance that they never bothered with a park Meet N' Greet? 🤔



While it would be difficult to shoehorn a Character's soundtrack into an existing parade soundtrack (though far easier/faster today than it was with 90's technology), it's easy to put Characters on finale' floats and such in an entourage of other Characters. That's happened several times in the 21st century in shows and parades.

But the real star of the Marketing Push is the Pre-Parade, and those didn't stop in the 1990's. If anything, Pre-Parades touting that summer's big tentpole from Disney or Pixar really came into their own in the 2000's and 2010's. Obviously though, they had forewarning not to bother with an Elio pre-parade.

Here's a Pixar themed Pre-Parade in DCA during the summer of 2015 to advertise Pixar's Inside Out, as an example. Because, you know, Disneyland's 60th Anniversary summer was so light on new entertainment and new parades that they needed to beef it up a bit with a Pre-Parade. 🤣🤣🤣



Who we really need here is this forum's end-all, be-all expert on all things Character and Parade related... @brb1006

Care to fill us in on the various Pre-Parades and New Character additions to existing parades that happened in the 21st century? I can think of several marketing Pre-Parades at Disneyland since Bill Clinton left the White House, in addition to that Pixar DCA example from '15. Right?

Normally I'm not up this early (it's currently 5am EST in my time zone) but I would happily help you out the best way I can before heading back to sleep.

The idea of the Disney Parks having pre-parades promoting upcoming animated films (mainly Disney-made ones) might
possibly date back to sometime in the early 1970s. According to older Disney fansites. For the 1970 edition of "Fantasy on Parade" (Disneyland's original Christmas Parade) to promote the upcoming release of The Aristocats in 1970. Reportedly, Disney made a walkaround version of Madame Adelaide Bonfamille which rode a horse-drawn carriage where she held four cats (who's suppose to be Duchess, Marie, Toulouse, and Berlioz) which rode across the parade route before Fantasy on Parade begun. However, I can't find any photos or videos hinting it was a one-off thing.

A few years later, Disney made walkaround versions of Scat Cat and two of the Alley Cats who used to meet guests at both Disneyland and Walt Disney World before getting retired in the early 1980s. The Aristocats wouldn't get a major representation at the parks until Fall 2003 when Marie debuted at Tokyo Disneyland's Halloween Parade but wouldn't become meetable until 2005. Her brothers would later appear at the parks in 2013 (Valentine's Day for Paris and Tokyo Disneyland's Happiness is Here Parade a few months later).


Eventually Marie debuted at WDW in 2009 at Epcot's France Pavilion and Disneyland in the early 2010s at a short-lived dance party at DCA called "Dancing with Disney Stars' between 2013 and 2014. She makes occasional appearances at Toontown and Special Events at Disneyland.

Getting back to Pre-Parades, Disney wouldn't get fully committed to making Pre-Parades promoting upcoming films until 1988 when characters from Oliver & Company appeared before Mickey's 60th Birthday Parade. It even ran during the evening before MSEP started.



A year later, Disneyland made a pre-parade for The Little Mermaid which featured Flounder, Sebastien, Ariel, Ursula, and Prince Eric. According to the Disney+ documentary film about Howard Ashman called "Howard". Howard managed to see the first performance of The Little Mermaid pre-parade and got very emotional since "He had a feeling his involvement at Disney would become short-lived".



Disney later created a full-fledge parade for Aladdin (both Disneyland and MGM/DHS) and Toy Story for WDW (DL gave Toy Story a pre-parade instead), and The Lion King and Hercules for Disneyland. The last true parade Disney made for an upcoming film is Mulan for DHS. The WDW version of the Aladdin Parade alongside Hercules, Disneyland's Lion King Parade, Mulan, and Toy Story all premiered the same time their films were shown in theaters.






While I can't speak much about the Disneyland side. I will mostly speak from a WDW perspective when it comes to bringing newer Disney/Pixar characters to the parks. Between 1995 and early to mid 2000s, MGM/DHS used to be the only park at the Walt Disney World Resort that featured newer Disney and Pixar characters for guests to meet before eventually moving to MK a few years later. I remember when I first visited WDW in July 2004, both Lilo and Stitch were only found at DHS which extends to Chicken Little, Bolt, Brother Bear, and others up until the release of Frozen.

I'll elaborate on the Disney Parks history when it comes to bringing newer characters into the parks later. But for now I'm going back to bed.
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Disney Irish

Premium Member
Great point. Is there even a Meet N' Greet in any of the parks? I haven't seen any mention of it in the Disneyland forum.

And just like the toy aisle at Target... How did they know to abandon Elio without any park representation? Just like designing toys, designing a character costume must take at least six months, maybe a year.

How'd they know Elio would bomb so far in advance that they never bothered with a park Meet N' Greet? 🤔



While it would be difficult to shoehorn a Character's soundtrack into an existing parade soundtrack (though far easier/faster today than it was with 90's technology), it's easy to put Characters on finale' floats and such in an entourage of other Characters. That's happened several times in the 21st century in shows and parades.

But the real star of the Marketing Push is the Pre-Parade, and those didn't stop in the 1990's. If anything, Pre-Parades touting that summer's big tentpole from Disney or Pixar really came into their own in the 2000's and 2010's. Obviously though, they had forewarning not to bother with an Elio pre-parade.

Here's a Pixar themed Pre-Parade in DCA during the summer of 2015 to advertise Pixar's Inside Out, as an example. Because, you know, Disneyland's 60th Anniversary summer was so light on new entertainment and new parades that they needed to beef it up a bit with a Pre-Parade. 🤣🤣🤣



Who we really need here is this forum's end-all, be-all expert on all things Character and Parade related... @brb1006

Care to fill us in on the various Pre-Parades and New Character additions to existing parades that happened in the 21st century? I can think of several marketing Pre-Parades at Disneyland since Bill Clinton left the White House, in addition to that Pixar DCA example from '15. Right?

So a couple “pre-parades” in the last 30 years, and none in the last decade. So doesn’t sound like anything made by Disney in terms of “parade” marketing since Inside Out. So again why expect it with this movie? Sounds more like this is normal rather than something odd. And what would have happened if it had done something, you would have complained how it was a waste of money. Just like you complain and question why Disney keeps a movie in theaters longer than you think it should because you think it won’t make any more money.

So they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
 

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