WSJ: Even Disney Is Worried About The High Cost Of A Disney Vacation (gift link)

[TrainsOfDisney]

To me, Starbucks is overpriced and tastes burnt to me.

I love WaWa
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Starbucks is fairly consistent - so if you know what you like and don’t like you are in good shape. I’ve also had consistently good customer service at Starbucks.

Looks like wawa 20 Oz is about 25 cents cheaper than Starbucks. I’ve definitely had my fair share of gas station coffee and it will indeed do the job! Ha

 

[JoeCamel]

Starbucks is fairly consistent - so if you know what you like and don’t like you are in good shape. I’ve also had consistently good customer service at Starbucks.

Looks like wawa 20 Oz is about 25 cents cheaper than Starbucks. I’ve definitely had my fair share of gas station coffee and it will indeed do the job! Ha

But can Wawa make me a medium mocha frappe with lite whip and no drizzle?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I disagree. I think many, many people view any Disney vacation as a luxury vacation.

They are incorrect

It may be an “expensive” vacation…absolutely

But that isn’t the same as “luxury” in the truest sense

The product and service is not a luxury…queue lines and self service fast food kiosks tend to really put a damper on that concept.

Now can you say “it’s a luxury” to go there? For sure. But again not the same thing.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Oh no…we’ve gone “wawa”

 

[JoeCamel]

Oh no…we’ve gone “wawa”

cheesesteaks.....

 

[DisneyCane]

Mass market and luxury don't really go hand in hand.

WDW, by definition, isn't that.

The average family spends $7,000 on a trip to WDW. Real luxury vacations are in the $10K-$20K per person bracket.

Disney trying to go after that market is a problem because it's something they can't deliver, and that demo knows it.

They're just pricing out the people who would actually like to go.

For what length of stay are those costs?

 

[DisneyCane]

Starbucks is fairly consistent - so if you know what you like and don’t like you are in good shape. I’ve also had consistently good customer service at Starbucks.

Looks like wawa 20 Oz is about 25 cents cheaper than Starbucks. I’ve definitely had my fair share of gas station coffee and it will indeed do the job! Ha

I've also always had good customer service at Starbucks. Starbucks, Chick-fil-a and Bojangles are all low cost dining where I've gotten consistently good service at many locations in different states.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Mass market and luxury don't really go hand in hand.

WDW, by definition, isn't that.

The average family spends $7,000 on a trip to WDW. Real luxury vacations are in the $10K-$20K per person bracket.

Disney trying to go after that market is a problem because it's something they can't deliver, and that demo knows it.

They're just pricing out the people who would actually like to go.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

For what length of stay are those costs?

A week…

What’s Generally stupid about this wsj exchange is that they responded…and failed…with the skill of chapek

Stripped down the actual costs to say it’s “$3400 for five days”

Yeah…which is not the benchmark travel dates and the took out flight and food

Kinda “necessary” costs

They’ve been found out and called out.

Terrible management building for years

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

But can Wawa make me a medium mocha frappe with lite whip and no drizzle?

…if you slip them a Lincoln


(Kidding…actually they do custom drinks now and they aren’t bad)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s time (again) to post this gem…

 

[Animaniac93-98]

For what length of stay are those costs?

Depends what you buy, and whether that cost includes airfare too.

 

[John park hopper]

For me a luxury vacation is a vacation that supplies the things I don't get home-daily house cleaning -bed turned down with a chocolate on the pillow. Staff that is cheerful and attentive. Accommodations that are exceptional in design. When I go to a sit down restaurant with a dress code it is enforced -meals that are constantly great (not hit and miss) A park that is spotless and all attractions work as they should. Park rules are enforced. I don't want to feel I'm being constantly nickel and dimmed. Many years ago WDW was like this IMO not so anymore

 

[Tha Realest]

It's all subjective. I would never call a cruise a luxury vacation (maybe a very small percentage of high end cruises fall into this category), but plenty of people do.

Depends on the cruise. I think a Disney Cruise is pricey enough that it may qualify as a luxury experience. A same length Carnival Cruise that costs you $269 for five days and kids are half price?

Again, I think what happens here is there is a spectrum. Disney’s quality, at times, is closer to budget/moderate offerings, but they keep pushing the price points more toward the deluxe /luxury end. Hence the incongruities and debate.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Ratatouille is a movie about a 5-star restaurant that gets downgraded to 3-stars, but continues to operate thanks to its long established brand name and the nostalgia associated with its deceased creator.

The movie's villain wants to further exploit the image and goodwill of its founder to hawk cheap food items to the masses, regardless of what the long term impact to his name and business may be.

Just bringing this up for no particular reason.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Depends on the cruise. I think a Disney Cruise is pricey enough that it may qualify as a luxury experience. A same length Carnival Cruise that costs you $269 for five days and kids are half price?

Cruises are generally grouped into 1 of 4 types of categories;

Carnival would be mass market like Norwegian and Royal Caribbean, while Disney would be considered premium, along with brands like Celebrity, Princess and Virgin. You'd have to go up another two brackets from there to get to travel trade standard luxury. A week on a Four Seasons Yacht will set you back at least $20,000 per suite (flights extra).

Disney is more expensive than other premium cruise lines because 1) the base fare has more inclusions and 2) they can charge more because they're Disney and you're paying for the intangible (or in this case literal) "Disney Magic".

You can spend more money than the average Carnival or Royal Caribbean guest to get a fancier stateroom or suite, more specialty meals, additional services, but that would not really be considered a luxury class vacation (pricy though it may be).

Expensive and luxury are related, but not synonymous.

Again, I think what happens here is there is a spectrum. Disney’s quality, at times, is closer to budget/moderate offerings, but they keep pushing the price points more toward the deluxe /luxury end. Hence the incongruities and debate.

Exactly. Disney is expensive relative to what you actually get. The point of this thread is that people are realizing this and either not going as often or not at all, even if they would like to.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Depends on the cruise. I think a Disney Cruise is pricey enough that it may qualify as a luxury experience. A same length Carnival Cruise that costs you $269 for five days and kids are half price?

Again, I think what happens here is there is a spectrum. Disney’s quality, at times, is closer to budget/moderate offerings, but they keep pushing the price points more toward the deluxe /luxury end. Hence the incongruities and debate.

…the most over rated boats on the drink…to be honest

 

[Tom P.]

…the most over rated boats on the drink…to be honest

Can you identify one current Disney offering that you actually like? One positive thing? I mean seriously, not as a backhanded insult or a snarky remark. This isn't an attempt to be a jerk to you, I'm legitimately curious if there is anything of current Disney that you are actually fond of.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

quick price comparison- a 1 day ticket at Dollywood or Silver Dollar City is $92

 

[John park hopper]

quick price comparison- a 1 day ticket at Dollywood or Silver Dollar City is $92

Disneyland just broke the $200/day dollar mark I read