Yeah it was the biggest misstep so far and is what led to my mistrust.
They should have just come out and said “the unvaccinated are not following the rules so we all have to mask”.
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They should have just come out and said “the unvaccinated are not following the rules so we all have to mask”.
PirateFrank
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Why? Did I miss something (this thread can be a laborious read)?
CaptainAmerica
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@ToTBellHop usually knows what's up before the rest of us.
ToTBellHop
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In this case, I really don’t know when they’ll make the change. Not sure they do. My gut says Friday’s modest move was a trial balloon to see if anyone even noticed.
LittleBuford
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I have no epidemiological background and so really cannot say whether the CDC’s threshold is on the low side. What are you basing your opinion on?
GimpYancIent
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Disney is fairly easy to read and understand these days. If stepping away from mask wearing means an increased $$$$ revenue stream, guess what Disney is going to do.
If and I mean IF WDW drops them indoors, I pray it's for more than 45 days. The back and forth won't help them much. A very large portion of this country (both vaxxed and unvaxxed) wants to put this behind us in the worst way. Dropping them, and bringing them back in 2 month would make WDW look bad, and in the wor$t way
CaptainAmerica
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The problem is that they use two different metrics, and if EITHER of the two metrics indicates "Substantial," then you go in "Substantial."
One of the metrics is test positivity rate. Most people don't get tested if they don't have symptoms, meaning if a community had low rates of transmission (according to the common-sense understanding of the English language), it means their population isn't going to get tested frequently because they're not feeling sick. A high test positivity percentage doesn't necessarily mean "more people are sick," it could just as likely mean "few people are getting tested."
This article is old, but it still applies.
Test Positivity Is a Bad Way to Measure Covidâs Spread
So why do policymakers keep using it?
LittleBuford
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Again, I have no relevant scientific background or expertise and so really cannot make any informed criticisms of the CDC’s metrics. I honestly have no idea what a “common-sense understanding” of low transmission would be anyway—very little about this pandemic has proved to be within my commonsense understanding of anything.
CaptainAmerica
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If 2 people in a city of 500,000 have COVID, but only 20 people get tested, the CDC sees a test positivity rate of 10% and calls that community "High" transmission. They're not High transmission because many people have COVID, they're High transmission because few people have gotten tested.
DisneyDodo
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If we want to get Disney to drop the mask mandate, we just need Covid-negative people in Orange County to get tested as many times as possible
LittleBuford
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But these are just hypothetical and nonsensically farfetched figures. If you could demonstrate your point with real-life data, I would be more inclined to understand your position.
MagicHappens1971
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Isn’t all cast required to be vaccinated?
DisneyCane
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The data has changed but a week or so ago, Glades County, FL was listed as "high" on the CDC site and it was fewer than 10 cases in a week. Granted, it's a low population but it was the positivity that made it "high," the cases per 100k were still in the "substantial" range.
RSoxNo1
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What happened Friday?
Walt Disney World relaxes mask requirement for its Cast Members beginning November 8 but reiterates that guests are still required to use masks
This latest mask policy update applies to Walt Disney World Cast Members who are fully vaccinated.
www.wdwmagic.com
Chip Chipperson
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I believe so, but perhaps there are some with medical exemptions? Either way, Disney has proof of CMs' vaccination status but isn't allowed to do the same for guests.
Tom P.
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Disney is prohibited from making vaccination a requirement for park attendance. They absolutely could make it a requirement of going maskless. There is nothing in Florida's laws or executive orders that would stop Disney from saying "everyone is welcome in the parks regardless of vaccination status but those who choose to voluntarily provide proof of vaccination are exempt from the indoor mask requirement." But Disney does not want to do that.
CJR
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It's easy to see why, the staffing required to organize that would be a huge burden. They'd need to be trained to notice fraudulent documentation and deal with more frequent complaints from those who think they should be exempt. All for something that could be gone in a matter of weeks too. They don't even want to staff the trams yet and those would be much more lasting - hopefully.
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