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Will SeaWorld bring back the big act after the demise of Ringling Bros?

Discussion in 'Sea World Orlando' started by Aqueeta, Jan 15, 2017.

  1. Aqueeta

    Aqueeta Member

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    Ringling Brothers kowtowed to the animal activist and within six months, the Greatest Show on Earth announced that it was shutting down. An American icon for 146 years, RB encountered a significant drop in attendance when they were bullied into removing the elephant act from their shows.

    My question is simple, will SeaWorld fight to put trainers back in the water with the killer whales to boost attendance and save the park from going under?
     
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    MisterPenguin Premium Member

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    Too late for that.
     
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    RandomPrincess Keep Moving Forward Premium Member

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    Ticket sales were going down before they got rid of the elephants. It may have accelerated the decline but it was headed this direction for years. I'm sad to see it go as a piece of history.
     
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    Disneyhead'71 Well-Known Member

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    I am sad to see Ringling Bros. go, but the writing has been on the the wall for about 20 years.

    Sea World is in a different situation.
     
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    21stamps Well-Known Member

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    I think it's sad to see Ringling Brother's go. Very sad actually, we go very year including 2017.
    I'm also sad that the Shamu show is no more.
    To answer your question,
    No, I don't either one will ever come back.
     
  6. michmousefan

    michmousefan Well-Known Member

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    The circus and SW are two different businesses. The circus had to transport, house, feed and otherwise care for a variety of animals for a show that largely exploited them. SW is much closer to a zoo in makeup. SW is taking strides to distance themselves from some animal "shows" like Orca shows and is concentrating on preservation and rescue as well as diversifying their entertainment lineup with more rides. Seems rather different to me.
     
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    WildernessLodge Well-Known Member

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    I don't see how Ringling Bros. will affect SeaWorld. I think they know what the general public thinks - that orcas shouldn't be kept in captivity and are dangerous to people - and have taken steps to sooth both of those concerns.

    SeaWorld is also investing in other aspects to sustain themselves: new rides and focusing on rescue efforts in the parks.
     
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    21stamps Well-Known Member

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    I say this in pretty much every SeaWolrd thread.. but it's worth repeating again.
    They have been focusing on rescue and conservation long before Blackfish was released. As in decades before. It is and always has been a great program.

    ok, speech over. :)
     
  9. raven

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    Attendance for the circus has declined in the past 10 years dramatically, not just due to the absence of the elephants but mostly due to smart phones (per national news on the RB story). A phone is instant and cheaper to entertain a kid than a circus it. It's sad but it's true. I loved that circus as a kid and will now try to go one more time before it's gone.

    Sea World isn't suffering financially. They just added a giant new coaster in Florida last year, a new one in San Diego this year, new shows and both Busch Gardens (same company) has added a few attractions as well.
     
  10. matt78

    matt78 Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if Ringling Bros would have been able to survive if they had a permanent home somewhere. People tend to spend more frivolously when they are on vacation. I think they might have been able to survive in Orlando if they held shows at night when the parks close early.
     
  11. Aqueeta

    Aqueeta Member Original Poster

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    The elimination of waterworks makes SeaWorld simply a regional park, a la Six Flags, instead of a destination attraction and this has led to fewer international and long-distance visitors and, obviously, a decline in attendance. Their stock hit an all-time low in August of 2016 and although the price has risen lately, the projected earnings for the 4th quarter of 2016 are for a loss.

    We all know that the actions by OSHA were discriminatory in that there are a plethora of other forms of entertainment that have a much more dismal record when it comes to safety (i.e. auto racing; boxing; football; bull riding; etc...) and this type of bullying by the government (and the radical animal activist) will only lead to a failed company and a loss of jobs.

    The demise of Ringling Bros should be like looking in a mirror and I hope and pray that the new President of SW Orlando, Jim Dean, a finance man, will realize that they are doomed unless the "big act" is reinstated and trainers are once again allowed in the water with the orcas. All SW has to do is threaten to shut down and eliminate 20,000+ jobs and I am sure their wish will be granted.
     
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    That show was one of my favorites as a child. I can still place myself right back in the stands and feel the excitement of getting splashed.of the trainers riding on and diving off this magnificent creature. Year after year I loved it, and all of SeaWorld.

    It's a fantastic memory but it will never happen again and my child will sadly never experience it.

    All of that being said, trainers should not ever go back in the water with the whales. Ever. People lost their lives, and the risk is too high. If only one person would have been killed in a random situation I may think differently, but it wasn't just one, and it wasn't only one situation.

    The shows themselves, sans trainers, I do wish they would continue, but they won't. I think they're just part of history now. A fond memory to look back on and tell our children about.
     
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    For sure - when I said focus on it, I meant bring it to people's attention more. With all the negativity, they want to up-play the good things that they do. For instance, the Rescue ride in San Diego and planning to let people see more of the behind-the-scenes rescue and rehab areas.
     
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  14. Aqueeta

    Aqueeta Member Original Poster

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    Two trainers have died within the last 30 years and that is far cry from the number of deaths in other forms of high-risk entertainment. SW has a stellar safety record and one to be championed and not maligned just because certain groups favor animal lives over human lives.
     
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    Regardless, they have taken a hit in the court of public opinion, and as far as business strategy, should re-focus their efforts elsewhere. Businesses have to watch what's going in and be willing to shift gears as needed.
     
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    Agree... I should have said "continuing to concentrate on..."
     
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    A circus is historically a show that travels, especially the RB circus. The audience shouldn't have to fly to a location to see the circus. That's why PT Barnum joined Bailey in the first place. Barnum wanted to reach more audiences than his (short lived) museum that was in New York and other his shows in other places.


    I think the fact that Blackfish (being completely one-sided) can still be streamed by thousands of viewers who believe every word that they hear during the film is unfair. Sea World has released several statements, community service announcements and commercials locally to prove that they are caring for their animals. But because they cannot reach the same amount of viewers worldwide as the film did, they are condemned to face reality.
     
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    I think the poster was saying that if their business model isn't working then they might adapt if they changed it. And by suggesting Orlando, that's a popular tourist destination where people are already flying to and may buy a ticket if RB circus became more of an exotic destination vs. something that comes to your own town every year. For one I would love to see a RB circus-type theme park. Different sections could include fairway games, animal sanctuaries, a historical section and a big top theater where people perform.
     
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    Orlando? You realize that would be a HUGE gamble for a company, who's not in the theme park business, to try and build a successful park to compete with the big league parks. Look at what just happened to Wet N Wild. Also Splendid China comes to mind. So if they were to possibly do that I would suggest Vegas over anything.
     
  20. michmousefan

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    Or maybe it's something like just a nightly Circus show/performance... and since it would be a "permanent" installation, perhaps the animal facilities could be toured for a couple hours before the show... maybe with some backstage talks by trainers/keepers/handlers. It could be argued that having full-time, permanent homes for the animals would be treating them better than living their lives in railroad cars.

    But I'm not sure that a market like Orlando could support another year-round attraction... even like a circus with the RB-BB brand name attached to it. Still a huge financial risk; not only are the theme parks adding more nighttime stuff, attractions like the Orlando Eye serve to soak up a couple hours of post-park visiting wherever they can. And if that skycoaster tower thing ever gets built...
     
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