Which WDW ticket would you choose?

Which WDW ticket would you choose?

  • 3-Day Park Hopper for MK & Epcot only, $83.50 or $27.83/day, in 1982

    Votes: 5 23.8%
  • 4-Day Park Hopper for MK, Epcot, & DHS only, $214.07 or $53.52/day, in 1992

    Votes: 3 14.3%
  • 5-Day Park Hopper for MK, Epcot, DHS, & DAK, $312.11 or $62.42/day, in 2002

    Votes: 8 38.1%
  • 5-Day Park Hopper for MK, Epcot, DHS, & DAK, $484.58 or $96.92/day, in 2012

    Votes: 5 23.8%

  • Total voters
    21

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
One of the most obvious trends in recent decades is the steady climb in WDW ticket prices. During its first 13 years of existence (1971 to 1984), “Old Guard” WDW management (i.e. those who had worked directly for Walt and Roy Disney) believed it was important for “guests” (in Disney-speak) to feel they received “good value” for their money. Consequently, Disney management kept theme park ticket prices in check.

When Mike Eisner took over The Walt Disney Company (TWDC) in 1984, the philosophy changed. It is reported that one of his earliest decisions was to significantly increase ticket prices. The price treadmill started by Eisner continues today unabated.

Some suggest WDW’s ticket price increases are justified because of WDW additions, ignoring that theme parks were added so guests would stay longer, significantly increasing WDW’s revenue. In other words, longer vacations meant more parks visited, more food purchased, more resorts rooms occupied for longer periods, etc. Hotel, water park, and shopping (e.g. Downtown Disney) additions were intended to be self-sustaining; the additional income they generated resulted in larger profits that, theoretically, could have been used to keep ticket price increases in check. This suggestion also ignores that prices did not significantly increase during WDW’s period of greatest and most expensive expansion, 1971 to 1984, when the entire WDW infrastructure was created (much of WDW was built on unoccupied swampland), the Monorail was constructed, and MK & Epcot were opened, with numerous attractions added along the way. Decades later, most feel MK and Epcot are WDW’s “best” theme parks. (See http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/whats-your-favorite-orlando-theme-park.854763/) Today, people pay more than ever on all of their vacation days for what generally are considered to be WDW’s two least-popular parks.

No theme parks have been added since the opening of DAK in 1998, nor are there any creditable rumors that any will be added in the foreseeable future, suggesting WDW will go at least 20 years (and probably much longer) between major additions. Meanwhile, in the last decade, the number of attractions added has slowed to a trickle. (For comparison, see http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/whats-next-presentation-cancelled.856590/page-19#post-5234078 for the pace of development during WDW’s first 30 years.) Attractions have changed at MK and Epcot since 1984 but nearly always at the cost of existing attractions. With the notable exception of Splash Mountain in 1992, attractions haven’t so much been added as either upgraded or replaced at MK and Epcot. Today’s MK and Epcot have essentially the same number of attractions they did in 1984. Furthermore, as fans of Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride or 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea can tell you, WDW has lost several popular attractions. Since 1984, most additions have been at DHS or DAK. Several marquee attractions were not added to DHS until years after it opened, including VofLM (1992), TOT (1994), RnRC (1998), and TSM (2008).

WDW has had the equivalent of today’s “Magic Your Way” (MYW) park hopper tickets since the opening of Epcot in 1982. Since then, there have been two major theme park additions, DHS (then called Disney-MGM Studios) in 1989 and DAK in 1998. Thus, the years 1982, 1992, 2002, and 2012 represent 10-year spreads separated by major theme park additions. (Of course, except for the last 10 years when no theme parks were added.) Prior to 2005, tickets also included the “no expiration” option, meaning any unused portion could be saved and used on future trips. Beginning in 2005, the “no expiration” option became a ticket upgrade that had to be paid for separately.

In 1982, a “typical” WDW vacation might have been 3 days; the equivalent of 2 days at MK and 1 day at Epcot. After the opening of Disney-MGM Studios, it could be suggested that this grew to 4 days and, after the opening of DAK, 5 days. Shorter or longer stays were possible but, for the sake of discussion, let’s assume these lengths of stays are representative of their time.

Using the years 1982, 1992, 2002, and 2012, along with representative lengths of stay, historical ticket price data, and an inflation calculator, it’s possible to compare various ticket options across the decades.

If WDW magically offered the following ticket options, which would you choose?
  • 3-Day Park Hopper for MK & Epcot only, $83.50 or $27.83/day (1982 ticket price adjusted for inflation)
  • 4-Day Park Hopper for MK, Epcot, & DHS only, $214.07 or $53.52/day (1992 ticket price adjusted for inflation)
  • 5-Day Park Hopper for MK, Epcot, DHS, & DAK, $312.11 or $62.42/day (2002 ticket price adjusted for inflation)
  • 5-Day Park Hopper for MK, Epcot, DHS, & DAK, $484.58 or $96.92/day (2012 ticket price)
The above prices include tax and the “no expiration” option, meaning the ticket could be used at any time, without regard to day of first use. With the introduction of MYW tickets in 2005, WDW now offers a ticket option that expires 14 days after first use. A 5-day version of this ticket currently costs $346.13 or $69.23/day. A base MYW ticket, with no park hopping privileges, costs $285.42 or $57.08/day.

In 1982, an annual pass cost $100 ($238.57 in 2012) while a 6-day ticket cost $60 ($143.14 in 2012). Since this ticket automatically included the hopper and “no expiration” options, a 6-day ticket could be used on multiple WDW vacations, even if these vacations were separately by years. WDW did not offer a 5-day ticket in 1982.

In 1992, an annual pass cost $202.35 ($332.04 in 2012). WDW did not offer a 6-day ticket but did offer a 5-day hopper & “no expiration” ticket for $172.53 ($283.11 in 2012).

In 2002, an annual pass cost $392.99 ($502.92 in 2012). A 6-day hopper & “no expiration” ticket was (which also included the water parks) was $307.79 ($393.88 in 2012).

In 2012, an annual pass costs $611.31. A 6-day base ticket costs $296.07, with hopper costs $356.78, with water parks costs $380.21, and with “no expiration” costs $555.93.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
I am not going to get intensely involved in this debate, but there is one error in your calculation. That error is simply using inflation as you way to try to adjust old prices to compare them with new prices. The rate of inflation is great for "next years budget" kind of estimation, but that is about it. The rate of inflation is an average of the rise in cost of several hundred goods and services. The problem with using it as an end all be all ratio to compare prices of something as ambiguous as a them park ticket is that there are a number of commodities that tend to climb at a much higher rate than inflation. Items such as fuel, construction materials, labor, insurance, etc tend to rise much higher than the rate of inflation. The only way to accurately compare a ticket price from 1982 to 2012 is to come up with a list of commodities that are consumed by the parks and calculate a rate of inflation specific to those items.

There is also the fact that a Disney ticket is a luxury item. The main factor in determining the price is what the market will bear.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Just saying...the Park Hopper is the same cost no matter what you choose. It's more a case of what parks do you want to visit. If memory serves, a Park Hopper is a $55.00 additional charge. It's $55.00 for three days and it is $55.00 for 10 days. Not per day, just total cost. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I always buy 10 day tickets, with PH and Non-expiration. I will use them eventually and if I should make an early life exit, I will ask to be buried with them so if we all get reincarnated I can answer the question. YOU WERE JUST REINCARNATED, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NOW??? I'm going to Disney World.

If reincarnation isn't happening, then I probably won't miss not using it before I expired.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
Just saying...the Park Hopper is the same cost no matter what you choose. It's more a case of what parks do you want to visit. If memory serves, a Park Hopper is a $55.00 additional charge. It's $55.00 for three days and it is $55.00 for 10 days. Not per day, just total cost. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Mostly correct. They recently added a lower cost park hopping option available for only on 1 day tickets. However, when comparing older tickets that included all of the things that are now options, you really have no choice but to tack on the options to get a close to an apples to apples comparison.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
I think better basis is median household income. When compared to the absolute price, this reflects the consumer's ability to afford a given commodity. In the years cited:

1982
Median Household Income: $19,004
3-Day WDW ticket ($35) price-per-day: $11.67/day
Ticket/income percentage: 0.0614%

1992
Median Household Income: $29,448
4-Day WDW ticket ($130.46) price-per-day: $32.62
Ticket/income percentage: 0.11076%

2002
Median Household Income: $41,620
5-Day WDW ticket ($243.89) price-per-day: $48.78
Ticket/income percentage: 0.11720%

2012
Median Household Income: $50,054 (estimated)
5-Day WDW ticket ($484.58) price-per-day: $96.92
Ticket/income percentage: 0.19362%

What's obvious is that even the ticket price-per-day has grown tremendously since 1982. In addition, as noted in my original post, WDW has grown (which is good), meaning that the length of a "full" WDW vacation has grown as well, making it even more difficult for families to afford WDW. Of course, families can simply buy a three-day ticket but, as we all know, today's WDW tickets are heavily front-loaded. Today's WDW comes out significantly less favorable (in terms of cost) when comparing a 3-day ticket in 1982 to a 3-day ticket in 2012.

Which is way I buy 10 day tickets even if I'm only going for 3 days. It is a less expensive even when I add the non-expiration to it, which is quite costly now. I don't go often enough to justify an AP.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
I know but 4x55 is $220 I can spend downtown or a lot of drinking in EPCOT

It appears that I have misread this entire thread. Those prices are hypothetical, yes? You are talking about breaking down the tickets to just be good in either or and I was looking at them as they currently exist. Based on that I am assuming that you are saying that if it cost $55.00 per day for a 4 day ticket it would cost $220.00, correct? In actuality it would be $55.00 total for 4 days or 3 days or 5 days or 6 days, etc. Still only $55.00 per ticket for that options. I am so confused now about what the question actually is that I should probably skip this particular thread. o_O
 

awoogala

Well-Known Member
We always do park hopper, but I have never paid for non-expiration.
we usually go once a year, for roughly 6-8 days, so I just never found it worthwhile. plus, I am always scared I would lose thee tickets between trips.lol
When we go with our homeschool group, we also get discounted tickets, so I am hoping to do that again, hopefully next year!!
 

Figgy1

Well-Known Member
It appears that I have misread this entire thread. Those prices are hypothetical, yes? You are talking about breaking down the tickets to just be good in either or and I was looking at them as they currently exist. Based on that I am assuming that you are saying that if it cost $55.00 per day for a 4 day ticket it would cost $220.00, correct? In actuality it would be $55.00 total for 4 days or 3 days or 5 days or 6 days, etc. Still only $55.00 per ticket for that options. I am so confused now about what the question actually is that I should probably skip this particular thread. o_O
4 people at $55 is $220 out of my pocket sorry
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
The prices are based on actual WDW ticket prices, adjusted for inflation.

I've also attempted to take into account the addition of DHS and DAK by assuming the length of a WDW vacation would grow as theme parks were added.

Yes, in the numbers I created, if a ticket was $55/day then the corresponding 4-day ticket would cost $220.

As Master Yoda noted, I also tried, where possible to do an apple-to-apple ticket comparison. IMHO, trying to compare one type if ticket from 1982 with a different type of ticket in 2012 is an unfair comparison. However, even the base 2012 MYW ticket is more expensive than the comparable "fully loaded" ticket from earlier periods. IMHO, MYW tickets represent one of WDW's biggest price increases ever. WDW simply repackaged the tickets to hide the cost, to make it less apparent to consumers. However, to someone who uses tickets on multiple vacations, the price increases were painful.
And as you have stated, was kind of by design. Disney basically found and closed a revenue leak.
 

luv

Well-Known Member
You know who is really responsible for those price increases?

Us. We are responsible. If we all stopped paying these ridiculous prices they'd come down. Bam! Just like that. The same week.

Until people stop paying those prices, they'll keep raising them.

Disney is hell-bent on finding out how little they can offer while raising prices. They won't stop until people just give up on them. And that will be the end. They'll try to change and bounce back, bu that will be it.

Give them enough rope, they'll hang themselves.
 

awoogala

Well-Known Member
For those of you who have voted for the "5-Day Park Hopper for MK, Epcot, DHS, & DAK, $484.58 or $96.92/day, in 2012" option instead of the "5-Day Park Hopper for MK, Epcot, DHS, & DAK, $312.11 or $62.42/day, in 2002" option:
  • Do you realize these prices are adjusted for inflation?
  • Do you realize that today's WDW is essentially unchanged since 2002?
  • Do you realize that, even 10 years ago, WDW had considerably fewer maintenance than today?
  • Do you realize that WDW has closed a number of attractions since 2002?
What exactly is so wonderful about today's WDW that would make you want to pay $172.47 (484.58 - 312.11 or 55%) more for it in 2012 than 2002? What exactly has WDW done in the last 10 years that would make you want to spend all that extra money?

um, I honestly didn't think about it before I answered, and did not realize there were 2 park hopper options. I was just answering that I buy ph, as many days as we are there, and don't get no expiration. Are you saying the point was to purchase 2002 tickets for today's park? I did not really get it.
At any rate, I could not have gone in 2002, I was pregnant. :)
 

cheezbat

Well-Known Member
I think anyone who voted for the 2012 ticket option must be crazy.

And for all of you who spend 10-14 days at a time at WDW...why??? I live here and even in a years time going to each park twice out of the entire year is plenty. Heck, I normally only visit each park once a year(if that) except for MK. I used to go alot more often, but based on the extreme prices and lack of upkeep and awesome new additions, I just don't see a reason why to anymore. Instead I save my money for yearly trips to DL or elsewhere in the country.


If you guys want a better WDW, stop going so often.
 

LambertLion

Member
I wouldn't choose any of the past prices, because I couldn't ... this is now and not then. If I choose to go, that's what it costs. Of course I would choose the best deal legitimately available.

That said, I'm not going to go back and look at my CC statements, but I know for sure I did not pay $484.58 for my 5 days of tickets & hoppers for next month. And I bought through an authorized agent.
 

CP_alum08

Well-Known Member
You know who is really responsible for those price increases?

Us. We are responsible. If we all stopped paying these ridiculous prices they'd come down. Bam! Just like that. The same week.

Until people stop paying those prices, they'll keep raising them.

Disney is hell-bent on finding out how little they can offer while raising prices. They won't stop until people just give up on them. And that will be the end. They'll try to change and bounce back, bu that will be it.

Give them enough rope, they'll hang themselves.
Wow, aren't you just a ray of sunshine! I assume then that you have never and will never go to WDW?
 

cheezbat

Well-Known Member
Wow, aren't you just a ray of sunshine! I assume then that you have never and will never go to WDW?

Sadly the poster you were replying to has a very valid point. Disney will continue to up prices and cut back on things until they reach that point. We as customers of WDW need to speak up...but it seems the only way they hear us is when we speak with our wallets.

People keep coming back. People keep paying. People keep allowing things to slip.

It's sad but true. The product is not worth as much as it was ten years ago. I truly hope to see a WDW renaissance soon.
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
When looking at the original prices - adjusted for inflation, it really shows how far they have pushed the ticket prices while simultaneously offering nothing new and in many ways, a lot less.

During the first 30 years, I could totally see why people would want to come back every year. Now? Honestly, why?
 

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