What has become of Disney?

JoeV

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I am sorry for a negative post but I have written to Disney and also posted a review on facebook which was deleted. I am not sure why as my review was not rude or inflammatory, just not real positive--two stars. Disney also never replied to my complaint which I sent them via mail and e-mail. Again, the content was polite and not aggressive or rude in any way so I just don't understand.

I recently visited Disney World for a week in the middle of September. I had been to the park once before in the 90's. There are a lot of positives to say about the experience--there is plenty to do and the hotel accommodations at the Pop Century resort were very nice. As it is considered one of the cheaper venues, I was expecting something less than what I got. Very clean and well done. The train and tram system runs flawlessly and I never once had to wait longer than five minutes, even after the fireworks and rush. They have to be commended for this. I don't know how they manage it but they move a lot of people efficiently. I was on the dining plan and the dining options were plentiful. The German Oktoboerfest dining at Epcot was great.

Unfortunately, I cannot speak positively for the rest of the experience. From the get-go, things went wrong. The first time I tried to get into the park with the wristband they supply you, it wouldn't take. It took fifteen minutes dealing with one of the customer service people to get it straightened out. Trying to get into Epcot that evening after the Magic Kingdom, the same thing happened--this after being told the issue was fixed. Another long wait to sort things out.During the week-long stay, issues with my account were a recurring theme. On the third day we dined at the Chef Mickeys with the characters. When the bill came, there was some sort of issue which I was told was resolved. Something was causing an issue that required the server to enter the information from my band twice. I asked for verification that It didn't go through twice as it seemed a bit odd. I was assured I was only billed for one table meal. On my second-to-last day, while dining I was I was using my last table service. I told them I had only used four and had six scheduled. They referred me to guest services. Apparently, the server at Chef Mickeys did somehow bill me for two table service meals.

On the second day I rode the Splash Mountain ride and had left my prescription sunglasses in the pouch in the boat. Realizing this, I went back to the gate attendant and asked how I might retrieve them. I was told I would need to check Lost and Found at the end of the day as they cannot do sweeps of the boats. Understandable. At the end of day, I went to lost and found near the main entrance area. It had not shown up and I asked if I could leave my number. I was told they cannot offer this service to call back and I would have to check back periodically. The guy seemed pretty flustered and basically annoyed I was asking. Unfortunately, the glasses never showed up.Entirely my fault for leaving them on the ride but Lost and Found seemed indifferent.

Fortunately, the fast pass system never malfunctioned on my band. We found ourselves planning what we would ride and where. This was nice at first but In the end, this led to feeling like we were on the clock, rushing somewhere and missing everything in-between. This is not something that is Disney's fault but the result was that the experience ;lacked any spontaneity in the end. Oftentimes, we felt herded.This is just not the Disney I knew before. It has become something else. I am not sure what to call it but it is not the original..Perhaps the franchise has grown too large and popular for it's own good? The crowds were quite overwhelming. I was told September was a good time to visit. I would hate to see the crowd in July.

We were also a bit overwhelmed by the number of shops. At times it seemed like were were visiting a giant shopping mall with a few attractions thrown in. Nothing wrong with commercial success but the 'magic' can get deflated pretty quick by the constant in-your-face commercialism that pervades the parks.

What is with people on scooters? Strollers are expected. Wheelchairs here and there yes. But tons of people are riding around on scooters that don't look in any way disabled. It is crowded enough without having to dodge electric vehicles rushing to get wherever they are going.

Overall, customer service was wishy-washy, some employees seemed burned out, indifferent, and seemed like they would rather be anywhere else. With all the planning and rushing to be somewhere, we returned home feeling more burned out than when we left work. The experience was just too sterile and mechanical compared to what we experienced in the past. Disney has lost something.

Also, I am not in any way after a freebie, I wouldn't have the time to rerun any time soon and given the amount of effort in planning etc, vacation time is probably best spent elsewhere. I am just perplexed of the lack of acknowledgement by Disney in any kind of reply.
 

disnerd

Active Member
I have to say, I'm kind of surprised they didn't respond to your emails or anything. I will admit, I have complained to them before and they are very slow at getting back to you. They responded to me about 4 days after I emailed them. I'm sorry to hear that your trip did not meet your expectations though. I agree that Disney has lost something even in the past few years. I have started going to Uni more now.
 

catmandoo

Well-Known Member
Unfortunately, I cannot speak positively for the rest of the experience. From the get-go, things went wrong. The first time I tried to get into the park with the wristband they supply you, it wouldn't take. It took fifteen minutes dealing with one of the customer service people to get it straightened out. Trying to get into Epcot that evening after the Magic Kingdom, the same thing happened--this after being told the issue was fixed. Another long wait to sort things out.During the week-long stay, issues with my account were a recurring theme. On the third day we dined at the Chef Mickeys with the characters. When the bill came, there was some sort of issue which I was told was resolved. Something was causing an issue that required the server to enter the information from my band twice. I asked for verification that It didn't go through twice as it seemed a bit odd. I was assured I was only billed for one table meal. On my second-to-last day, while dining I was I was using my last table service. I told them I had only used four and had six scheduled. They referred me to guest services. Apparently, the server at Chef Mickeys did somehow bill me for two table service meals.

Sounds like that was just an issue with the band... It's technology, it's not perfect.



The crowds were quite overwhelming. I was told September was a good time to visit. I would hate to see the crowd in July.

I was there mid September as well. I've been there every September for the last 6 years or so. The crowds were just slightly larger than they have been, but I wouldn't say "overwhelming". If it was too much for you, definitely don't go during the summer.

We were also a bit overwhelmed by the number of shops. At times it seemed like were were visiting a giant shopping mall with a few attractions thrown in. Nothing wrong with commercial success but the 'magic' can get deflated pretty quick by the constant in-your-face commercialism that pervades the parks.

I mean, it's a tourist attraction. Of course there's going to be a lot of shops. It's a business when all is said and done, they're in it for profit.

What is with people on scooters? Strollers are expected. Wheelchairs here and there yes. But tons of people are riding around on scooters that don't look in any way disabled. It is crowded enough without having to dodge electric vehicles rushing to get wherever they are going.

This is a highly offensive statement. How does one "look" disabled, exactly? There are many illnesses that do not have any outward physical appearance, but can still cause the need for someone to use a little help getting around. I feel like you were just having a bad time, so are finding any little thing to pick on.

Also, I am not in any way after a freebie, I wouldn't have the time to rerun any time soon and given the amount of effort in planning etc, vacation time is probably best spent elsewhere. I am just perplexed of the lack of acknowledgement by Disney in any kind of reply.

Okay, I hope wherever else you choose to vacation is better than your bad experience. But maybe give it another chance. If you hadn't been in a long time, there were a lot of changes. Maybe you just had this romanticized notion of what Disney was supposed to be... and there were a few small instances that didn't meet that notion. Have you called Disney? Try that, it's a lot quicker way to get to someone than sending an e-mail or making a grumpy post on a message board.

I'm sorry you had a bad time.
 

JoeV

Member
Original Poster
Of course the goal is profit and shops are expected. But there are shops and then there is over-saturation. The Magic Kingdom, especially, seemed over-saturated with shops to the point of being borderline tacky. I have been to many theme parks-Universal, Six Flags parks, bush gardens, cedar point etc. All have a lot of gift shops but Disney World is the only one where the shops outnumber the attractions by a good ten-to-one. It seemed like one was always being herded into gift shops or storefronts. It did not have this vibe on my prior visit back in 92. For me, it definitely had a more aggressive commercial feel to it overall this time around. Less spontaneity, more sterile and with a conveyor belt type vibe. But that's just my impression only. Just being honest. Totally different experience today than in the past. For me, it has lost a great deal of magic.

As far as the other stuff, I really am not trying to argue points. Just giving my subjective opinion and impression FWIW. I was just really dissapointed overall with the trip and experience.
 

epcotisbest

Well-Known Member
Of course the goal is profit and shops are expected. But there are shops and then there is over-saturation. The Magic Kingdom, especially, seemed over-saturated with shops to the point of being borderline tacky. I have been to many theme parks-Universal, Six Flags parks, bush gardens, cedar point etc. All have a lot of gift shops but Disney World is the only one where the shops outnumber the attractions by a good ten-to-one. It seemed like one was always being herded into gift shops or storefronts. It did not have this vibe on my prior visit back in 92. For me, it definitely had a more aggressive commercial feel to it overall this time around. Less spontaneity, more sterile and with a conveyor belt type vibe. But that's just my impression only. Just being honest. Totally different experience today than in the past. For me, it has lost a great deal of magic.

As far as the other stuff, I really am not trying to argue points. Just giving my subjective opinion and impression FWIW. I was just really dissapointed overall with the trip and experience.
The Magic Kingdom has 41 attractions and 38 shops. Your ten-to-one ratio seems a bit off.
 

alissafalco

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I do think you should give WDW another chance at a different time of year. I agree with you regarding rushing to your FP times, it can take away from the whole vacation feel. However, now that you have experience with it, and know how it works, the next time you can space out your FP selections and leave a lot of time between them so you can have more of a relaxing day. Unfortunately because WDW is the number one vacation destination in the WORLD, long gone are the days of just showing up and waiting in line for an attraction (unless you want to wait over 2 hrs for some).
As for the scooters, I personally feel you should need a prescription to be able to rent one, but by law Disney is not allowed to ask, so they really can't do anything about the abundance of scooters in the park.
The only issue I have with the shops is that they need more variety in each store. A lot of the shops sell the same items. I do expect to see many stores in a theme park. I really don't feel it's any different anywhere else.
I'm sorry you had no luck with the lost and found. We lost my daughters sandal at Epcot and a few days later I went to the L&F outside of MK and they had it!!
Like other people said give Disney a chance to get back to you. I would be shocked if you don't hear back from them at all.
Also, WDW isn't for everyone.
 
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Sonconato

Well-Known Member
I am sorry for a negative post but I have written to Disney and also posted a review on facebook which was deleted. I am not sure why as my review was not rude or inflammatory, just not real positive--two stars. Disney also never replied to my complaint which I sent them via mail and e-mail. Again, the content was polite and not aggressive or rude in any way so I just don't understand.

I recently visited Disney World for a week in the middle of September. I had been to the park once before in the 90's. There are a lot of positives to say about the experience--there is plenty to do and the hotel accommodations at the Pop Century resort were very nice. As it is considered one of the cheaper venues, I was expecting something less than what I got. Very clean and well done. The train and tram system runs flawlessly and I never once had to wait longer than five minutes, even after the fireworks and rush. They have to be commended for this. I don't know how they manage it but they move a lot of people efficiently. I was on the dining plan and the dining options were plentiful. The German Oktoboerfest dining at Epcot was great.

Unfortunately, I cannot speak positively for the rest of the experience. From the get-go, things went wrong. The first time I tried to get into the park with the wristband they supply you, it wouldn't take. It took fifteen minutes dealing with one of the customer service people to get it straightened out. Trying to get into Epcot that evening after the Magic Kingdom, the same thing happened--this after being told the issue was fixed. Another long wait to sort things out.During the week-long stay, issues with my account were a recurring theme. On the third day we dined at the Chef Mickeys with the characters. When the bill came, there was some sort of issue which I was told was resolved. Something was causing an issue that required the server to enter the information from my band twice. I asked for verification that It didn't go through twice as it seemed a bit odd. I was assured I was only billed for one table meal. On my second-to-last day, while dining I was I was using my last table service. I told them I had only used four and had six scheduled. They referred me to guest services. Apparently, the server at Chef Mickeys did somehow bill me for two table service meals.

On the second day I rode the Splash Mountain ride and had left my prescription sunglasses in the pouch in the boat. Realizing this, I went back to the gate attendant and asked how I might retrieve them. I was told I would need to check Lost and Found at the end of the day as they cannot do sweeps of the boats. Understandable. At the end of day, I went to lost and found near the main entrance area. It had not shown up and I asked if I could leave my number. I was told they cannot offer this service to call back and I would have to check back periodically. The guy seemed pretty flustered and basically annoyed I was asking. Unfortunately, the glasses never showed up.Entirely my fault for leaving them on the ride but Lost and Found seemed indifferent.

Fortunately, the fast pass system never malfunctioned on my band. We found ourselves planning what we would ride and where. This was nice at first but In the end, this led to feeling like we were on the clock, rushing somewhere and missing everything in-between. This is not something that is Disney's fault but the result was that the experience ;lacked any spontaneity in the end. Oftentimes, we felt herded.This is just not the Disney I knew before. It has become something else. I am not sure what to call it but it is not the original..Perhaps the franchise has grown too large and popular for it's own good? The crowds were quite overwhelming. I was told September was a good time to visit. I would hate to see the crowd in July.

We were also a bit overwhelmed by the number of shops. At times it seemed like were were visiting a giant shopping mall with a few attractions thrown in. Nothing wrong with commercial success but the 'magic' can get deflated pretty quick by the constant in-your-face commercialism that pervades the parks.

What is with people on scooters? Strollers are expected. Wheelchairs here and there yes. But tons of people are riding around on scooters that don't look in any way disabled. It is crowded enough without having to dodge electric vehicles rushing to get wherever they are going.

Overall, customer service was wishy-washy, some employees seemed burned out, indifferent, and seemed like they would rather be anywhere else. With all the planning and rushing to be somewhere, we returned home feeling more burned out than when we left work. The experience was just too sterile and mechanical compared to what we experienced in the past. Disney has lost something.

Also, I am not in any way after a freebie, I wouldn't have the time to rerun any time soon and given the amount of effort in planning etc, vacation time is probably best spent elsewhere. I am just perplexed of the lack of acknowledgement by Disney in any kind of reply.
I have been going to WDW for 41 years, 13 of which I've had an Annual Pass. You are most definitely correct when you say WDW is very different now then it was in the 90's. There are far more guests squeezed into the same amount of space along with a lot more strollers, wheelchairs and scooters. You do have to keep in mind that as time has moved on, more and more ADA barriers have been removed allowing more disabled guests to enjoy things they may have not been able to 20 years ago.

I'm sorry to hear you had such a bad experience, especially with your Magic Band. You would think that after they spent $1.5 billion, it would be flawless, but as technology goes, it's far from it. I will never understand why they chose to spend so much money, so poorly. If it makes you feel any better, I have had an Annual Pass during the entire time since it has been implemented and I've visited the parks twice a week ever since. I've had pretty good luck for the most part when using it for Fastpasses, however, getting into the park is an entirely different experience. My Magic Band only WORKS about 1% of the time. We now just laugh about it. My husband and son get in just fine and as soon as they enter, they turn around and raise their hands knowing mine won't work. CM look at them like they have 3 heads but later realize, this occurrence is routine for us. We have noticed a lot more people having the same issues.
 

epcotisbest

Well-Known Member
I have been going to WDW for 41 years, 13 of which I've had an Annual Pass. You are most definitely correct when you say WDW is very different now then it was in the 90's. There are far more guests squeezed into the same amount of space along with a lot more strollers, wheelchairs and scooters. You do have to keep in mind that as time has moved on, more and more ADA barriers have been removed allowing more disabled guests to enjoy things they may have not been able to 20 years ago.

I'm sorry to hear you had such a bad experience, especially with your Magic Band. You would think that after they spent $1.5 billion, it would be flawless, but as technology goes, it's far from it. I will never understand why they chose to spend so much money, so poorly. If it makes you feel any better, I have had an Annual Pass during the entire time since it has been implemented and I've visited the parks twice a week ever since. I've had pretty good luck for the most part when using it for Fastpasses, however, getting into the park is an entirely different experience. My Magic Band only WORKS about 1% of the time. We now just laugh about it. My husband and son get in just fine and as soon as they enter, they turn around and raise their hands knowing mine won't work. CM look at them like they have 3 heads but later realize, this occurrence is routine for us. We have noticed a lot more people having the same issues.
Yeah, ours has not worked for admittance the last few times either. Somebody with a tablet comes by, does whatever they do and we get in, but it is a PITA.
 
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JoeV

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Epcot seemed to have the most space. It was also my favorite park and if I was a local I would enjoy visiting it on occasion. The other parks not so much. Epcot very laid back. You could buy a wine and snack and find somewhere to sit by the lake they had. Magic Kingdom seemed like everyone was always trying to get somewhere and was in a frenzied rush. Seemed like nobody ever stood still long enough to enjoy anything. Strollers were everywhere as it is obviously the park kids would like best. One thing that was different this time than in 92 was there were no characters walking about. In 92 some of the costumed and face characters were always walking about somewhere, it appears you now can only see them by waiting in a long line at designated spits. Very different. We did catch one parade but we learned you had better get a spot in advance somewhere as it got crazy. Same for the fireworks, which were nice but it got insanely congested near the big castle.

Animal Park was relatively quiet. It got very hot and didn't seem like any breeze was getting in. Once is enough for this park for us. Hollywood park was OK but kind of small for the amount of people. Spent most of the last three days at epcot and swimming in hotel pool. Also want to seaworld and Kennedy space center. Didn't go back to magic kingdom as it was too crowded and just not that magical for us. Much better in 92.Went to the downtown disney spring area once in the evening. Nothing but shops really.very dissapointed with that. Insane food prices.

Epcot I would give 4 stars out of 5. Hollywood park 2 stars, Magic Kingdom 1.5. Downtown Disney zero stars-glorified shopping strip.

As far as food, the Bavarian oktoberfest dining at epcot was great. The only negative was seating. It was cruise ship style shared table seating, which is fine. But the people we sat with didn't mind their kids well and they were acting up. One kid spilled a drink on the table And I think a toddler was in desperate need of a diaper change. Counter food was decent for theme park. The lobster roll at a diner in magic kingdom was excellant. Other dining was buffet style at various spots. Not bad but they all seemed to offer the same fare.
 

JoeV

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I have been going to WDW for 41 years, 13 of which I've had an Annual Pass. You are most definitely correct when you say WDW is very different now then it was in the 90's. There are far more guests squeezed into the same amount of space along with a lot more strollers, wheelchairs and scooters. You do have to keep in mind that as time has moved on, more and more ADA barriers have been removed allowing more disabled guests to enjoy things they may have not been able to 20 years ago.

I'm sorry to hear you had such a bad experience, especially with your Magic Band. You would think that after they spent $1.5 billion, it would be flawless, but as technology goes, it's far from it. I will never understand why they chose to spend so much money, so poorly. If it makes you feel any better, I have had an Annual Pass during the entire time since it has been implemented and I've visited the parks twice a week ever since. I've had pretty good luck for the most part when using it for Fastpasses, however, getting into the park is an entirely different experience. My Magic Band only WORKS about 1% of the time. We now just laugh about it. My husband and son get in just fine and as soon as they enter, they turn around and raise their hands knowing mine won't work. CM look at them like they have 3 heads but later realize, this occurrence is routine for us. We have noticed a lot more people having the same issues.

It is an interesting concept. I just wonder how often it malfunctions. I saw a lot of people dealing with the attendants holding the tablet.

As far as fast pass, it is probably the only realistic option to not have to wait so long for a ride. we scrapped it after the third day however and opted for spontaneity. It forced us to slow down and relax. Waiting for a ride isn't always a bad thing though and we would set the limit at 30 kinutes. We would return at a later time if the lines were too long. We also got in the single line at test track. Didn't get the whole experience but the ride was fun. Rode it four times without barely a wait. We found little things like that as a compromise as after the first two days we felt like it was more work than play being on a schedule having to rush to a bus or train to get somewhere for a ride at a particular time. It burned us out.
 

fireworksandfairytales

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I'm sorry you had a negative experience. Magicbands do malfunction the same way that any other type of technology does. And the cast member at lost and found was wrong to seem irritated with your request. Overall, out of all of my experiences at WDW, I've dealt with very few cast members that weren't wonderful. They really should respond to you as well, it's unfortunate that they haven't. I hope if you do return to the parks that you have a better experience next time :)
 

BritishBoy

New Member
I have never really gotten the whole Magic Band bit. How is it an improvement over the old system, with the card? I never had any trouble with the latter. Also, with FastPass, I used the ticket system, and that worked great too. Nuts to the Magic Band. Major fail, Iger!

Although the will be many benefits, the main for Disney will be its benefit in gathering marketing information - this will be a gold mine. They're able to analyse a huge amount of consumer behaviour data.
 

MinnieM123

Premium Member
I hope you receive a response from Disney about your vacation experience.

My impression after reading your post, is that some of the issues you experienced were an (indirect) result of the massive crowds there when you visited. I think your overall experience would have been far more pleasant at a less busy time. (I've also read that the parks are busier than ever, and a number of the slower periods are now busy as well.) And, most CMs I've met over the years are wonderful people, but I assume that some might get overwhelmed with work and burn out, when the parks get super busy.

As for the bands, I've never used them. I always buy my park tickets (at a discount) at my local AAA office, and it's much easier for me to slip a thin, card into my purse. (Note: Unless they've changed this, I know at one point, they allowed guests to choose between a band or a card when you checked in, at your Disney hotel.) Lastly, I generally stay over at the Swan or Dolphin, so I don't participate in the WDW meal plans. My ticket is used for park entry only, and works fine.
 

rucifee

Well-Known Member
I have to say, I'm kind of surprised they didn't respond to your emails or anything. I will admit, I have complained to them before and they are very slow at getting back to you. They responded to me about 4 days after I emailed them. I'm sorry to hear that your trip did not meet your expectations though. I agree that Disney has lost something even in the past few years. I have started going to Uni more now.

Guest relations is made up of part timers, and with what I can only imagine is an obscene number of complaints it takes a long time for them to get back to you. More TWDC management fail in action.
 

rucifee

Well-Known Member
Sounds like that was just an issue with the band... It's technology, it's not perfect.

I was there mid September as well. I've been there every September for the last 6 years or so. The crowds were just slightly larger than they have been, but I wouldn't say "overwhelming". If it was too much for you, definitely don't go during the summer.

I mean, it's a tourist attraction. Of course there's going to be a lot of shops. It's a business when all is said and done, they're in it for profit.

This is a highly offensive statement. How does one "look" disabled, exactly? There are many illnesses that do not have any outward physical appearance, but can still cause the need for someone to use a little help getting around. I feel like you were just having a bad time, so are finding any little thing to pick on.

Okay, I hope wherever else you choose to vacation is better than your bad experience. But maybe give it another chance. If you hadn't been in a long time, there were a lot of changes. Maybe you just had this romanticized notion of what Disney was supposed to be... and there were a few small instances that didn't meet that notion. Have you called Disney? Try that, it's a lot quicker way to get to someone than sending an e-mail or making a grumpy post on a message board.

I'm sorry you had a bad time.

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September had crowd peaks that rivaled Christmas and New Years. There have been quite a few people talking about it. I have been in the parks for years and from what I saw with my own eyes, September was far more crowded than July this year.

I took this picture that I've turned into a meme in September.

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What is with people on scooters? Strollers are expected. Wheelchairs here and there yes. But tons of people are riding around on scooters that don't look in any way disabled. It is crowded enough without having to dodge electric vehicles rushing to get wherever they are going.

One thing that was obvious on our recent trip to SeaWorld and Busch Gardens, there were very few people on scooters (as a matter of fact, I can't recall seeing one). I wonder if it is because the food offerings at SW and BG are lacking and the morbidly obese, who are the main exploiters of the scooter, won't go near these parks?
 

JoeV

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September had crowd peaks that rivaled Christmas and New Years. There have been quite a few people talking about it. I have been in the parks for years and from what I saw with my own eyes, September was far more crowded than July this year.

I took this picture that I've turned into a meme in September.

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Hello. I don't have any other trip to compare crowd levels to. I was there in 92 but it's more popular today. Back then there were crowds but nowhere near the levels of today, based on my visit. I was told September is the best month to visit so that's why I set the date. Magic Kingdom was shoulder to shoulder at times. Couldn't move down the main street at one point. I was talking to some folks at epcot and they told me it was an anomaly for this time of year. But we stayed clear of magic kingdom after that point.

Animal kingdom was much much less crowded. Holyrood studio park was pretty packes. Epcot was only crowded near a section in the world showcase. Magic kingdom was just an out of control zoo.
 

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