True Identity of Andy's Mom from Toy Story Theory

DisneyConstruction23

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Andy's mom has always been a bit of an enigma. In the first Toy Story, we barely even saw her face. That's all fine because throughout the movies, the real focus has been on Andy and the love he has for those toys.

But this is Pixar, and it stands to reason that there is more than meets the eye when it comes to the Davis family (Andy's last name).

In order to understand who Ms. Davis really is, we have to start with something seemingly simple: a hat.

In the picture below, you see Andy's cowboy hat that he plays with throughout his childhood. Study it closely.

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Notice anything weird about the hat? It looks nothing like the hat worn by his favorite toy, Woody. Why wouldn't Andy wear a hat that was brown?

We don't think about it because most of us are normal human beings with things like jobs and tax exemptions. But I want you to take a quick journey with me: Andy got this hat from his mom.

In Toy Story 2, young Andy Davis left for summer camp, and his mom held a yard sale. "The Chicken Man" found Woody in one of the boxes (he was trying to save a fellow toy) and pleaded with Ms. Davis to sell him because Woody is a collectible from the 1950s.

Ms. Davis refuses, acknowledging that Woody is "an old family toy." Not that much time has passed between the Toy Story movies, but we know that Andy has had Woody since Kindergarten, according to Mr. Potato Head. Andy's 6th birthday is in the first Toy Story, which makes him 7 or 8 in this movie. Woody doesn't seem all that old in comparison.

Further, Woody has no recollection of who he is. Many have suggested that this is because he was owned by Andy's father, who is never mentioned in the movies. Molly is a baby in the first movie, which means Andy's father either died or walked out not long before the movies started.

A reasonable assumption is that Andy's mom gave Woody, his father's toy, to him on his 5th birthday. After all, she gave him Buzz Lightyear on his next birthday. If Woody had been a new toy when Ms. Davis gave him to Andy, then he would know exactly who he is was, which is unlikely because he is so rare.

Now, back to the hat. I believe Andy received the hat from his mom, as well. There's another instance in the movies when this hat is shown:

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Notice anything familiar? That is the same red hat with a white lace. Why would Andy have a hat that looks exactly like Jessie's? Because his mom did. Look at this:

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See that hat on the bed? Emily, Jessie's previous owner, wears that hat throughout the "When She Loved Me" sequence in Toy Story 2. The sequence clearly takes place in the 60s and 70s, as evidenced by the decoration and qualities of Emily's things.

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That is about as 1970s as it gets.

That makes Emily the same age as Andy's mom, who had him in the 80s. They also have the same hat, except the white lace on Andy's hat is missing, but you can clearly see where it once was. There's even a faded mark:

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That makes this an old hat.

We know that Emily donated Jessie and her other "cowboy" accessories as a teen, so wouldn't the hat be included? If you watch closely, the hat isn't in the box. The box isn't even big enough to hold it.

We do see that Emily has short, auburn hair. It almost looks like...

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Albeit her hair in the movies is lighter. Age is funny like that. And yes, Andy's mom is Emily, Jessie's previous owner.

Now you may be wondering if Emily/Andy's mom noticed that Andy suddenly had a toy she once had as a child. Think of it this way: how would you react if you saw that your kid had a toy that looked like one that you had? You probably wouldn't assume they're the same, even if you're in a Pixar movie.

The theory is that in a twist of fate, Emily (Andy's mom) loved a cowboy toy but gave it away during her adolescence. Her son would grow to love a cowboy toy as well, in a weird way that resembles the strong love she once had. She passed the hat down to him, and as destiny would have it, Andy would one day receive Jessie, as well. This would redeem his mother's abandoning of her, making Emily's story come full-circle.

And much like Emily, Andy also grew tired of his toys and moved on. He also gave them away and let them go.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is the true story of Andy's mom.
 

PUSH

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I just found the article on the original site, and I came here to post it. Seems I'm late to the party, but you really shouldn't post this as if it is your own.
 

prberk

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No matter where it came from, I think it is interesting and probably true, once again pointing to the details that Pixar uses.

Now, I will say that I would wonder if this whole backstory were already fully developed by the making of the first movie; or if the story for the sequels used Andy's hat as a place to tie it in later.

One reason I wonder this, is because it was widely reported that for the first Toy Story, there were several re-writes. I also would wonder, if that backstory already existed, whether it would have been used by the cheap non-Pixar animation unit that Disney had hired at one time to make TS sequels (which it later stopped and laid off after they bought Pixar out). I remember that as part of the buyout, Disney would agree to let the Pixar people (not the surrogates) actually do the sequel; but until that time, since Disney owned the rights to the story, the surrogates were going ahead with production of another sequel. This implied, to me, that Disney and its animators had the story and the rights to it if it existed in some form. But since John Lasseter and his Pixar friends axed the surrogates' sequel and story for one developed by Pixar, it makes me wonder about whether the whole story arc existed (or to what extent at least the backstory did) prior to the release of the first Toy Story (where the hat first shows up, with a faded rim).
 

lazyboy97o

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No matter where it came from, I think it is interesting and probably true, once again pointing to the details that Pixar uses.

Now, I will say that I would wonder if this whole backstory were already fully developed by the making of the first movie; or if the story for the sequels used Andy's hat as a place to tie it in later.

One reason I wonder this, is because it was widely reported that for the first Toy Story, there were several re-writes. I also would wonder, if that backstory already existed, whether it would have been used by the cheap non-Pixar animation unit that Disney had hired at one time to make TS sequels (which it later stopped and laid off after they bought Pixar out). I remember that as part of the buyout, Disney would agree to let the Pixar people (not the surrogates) actually do the sequel; but until that time, since Disney owned the rights to the story, the surrogates were going ahead with production of another sequel. This implied, to me, that Disney and its animators had the story and the rights to it if it existed in some form. But since John Lasseter and his Pixar friends axed the surrogates' sequel and story for one developed by Pixar, it makes me wonder about whether the whole story arc existed (or to what extent at least the backstory did) prior to the release of the first Toy Story (where the hat first shows up, with a faded rim).
Toy Story 2 itself was rather drastically reworked at the last minute by Pixar.
 

champdisney

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Then you should have credited her then we could have blamed her instead of you for plagiarism.
Oh wow! Are you actually lecturing the poor guy for a rather simple mistake? Last time I checked this isn't a class where you get graded for these type of things. Let the man be. It's clear that he posted the article for OUR viewing pleasure. A side from that, I think this theory is very believable. Much like Sid being shown picking up garbage towards the end of TS3.
 

JenniferS

When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
Oh wow! Are you actually lecturing the poor guy for a rather simple mistake? Last time I checked this isn't a class where you get graded for these type of things. Let the man be. It's clear that he posted the article for OUR viewing pleasure. A side from that, I think this theory is very believable. Much like Sid being shown picking up garbage towards the end of TS3.
The OP has a bit of nasty history.
The comments may be more a reflection of his "baggage", rather than this particular post.

That being said, I certainly felt that he was presenting it as his own research.
 

MOXOMUMD

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Oh wow! Are you actually lecturing the poor guy for a rather simple mistake? Last time I checked this isn't a class where you get graded for these type of things. Let the man be. It's clear that he posted the article for OUR viewing pleasure.
The poster has been proven time and again to misleading forum members to the point he was banned.
 
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Captain Chaos

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Are we really still talking about this guy? Comes on, claims he is an insider, proven to be a fraud, whines like a little school child, PMs several members cursing them out, has an epic meltdown (almost as good as Patty Melton's break down), creates a second account to threaten and harass a member here by searching and outing their personal and private information... The second account has the IP banned, which in turn banned the main account account of this troll.. He admits his main account IP is banned (proving he has two accounts) and then uses proxy IP addresses to circumvent his banning... On top of that, he then creates a THIRD account and outs himself by posting a picture of his tattoo as his avatar pictures, the same picture/tattoo he posted in another thread under his DC23 account... Why would anyone think he made an honest mistake here? He posted this to run with it as his own... Only when caught does he make up stories to make it look like honest mistakes or he had no clue... BTW he claimed he knew nothing of the second account which was used to cyber stalk a member here (me)... Meanwhile, the second account was him all along.... If you are going to let him sucker you, then you are a fool... With that, enough about him... Last word on that...

The REAL writer of that post does have some interesting thoughts though... I really enjoy these "universes" stories... Personally, I think they make for epic stories...
 

wm49rs

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Are we really still talking about this guy? Comes on, claims he is an insider, proven to be a fraud, whines like a little school child, PMs several members cursing them out, has an epic meltdown (almost as good as Patty Melton's break down), creates a second account to threaten and harass a member here by searching and outing their personal and private information... The second account has the IP banned, which in turn banned the main account account of this troll.. He admits his main account IP is banned (proving he has two accounts) and then uses proxy IP addresses to circumvent his banning... On top of that, he then creates a THIRD account and outs himself by posting a picture of his tattoo as his avatar pictures, the same picture/tattoo he posted in another thread under his DC23 account... Why would anyone think he made an honest mistake here? He posted this to run with it as his own... Only when caught does he make up stories to make it look like honest mistakes or he had no clue... BTW he claimed he knew nothing of the second account which was used to cyber stalk a member here (me)... Meanwhile, the second account was him all along.... If you are going to let him sucker you, then you are a fool... With that, enough about him... Last word on that...

The REAL writer of that post does have some interesting thoughts though... I really enjoy these "universes" stories... Personally, I think they make for epic stories...
What was the second account? Just being curious (or nosy, take your pick ;)).
 

champdisney

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The poster has been proven time and again to misleading forum members to the point he was banned.

Are we really still talking about this guy? Comes on, claims he is an insider, proven to be a fraud, whines like a little school child, PMs several members cursing them out, has an epic meltdown (almost as good as Patty Melton's break down), creates a second account to threaten and harass a member here by searching and outing their personal and private information... The second account has the IP banned, which in turn banned the main account account of this troll.. He admits his main account IP is banned (proving he has two accounts) and then uses proxy IP addresses to circumvent his banning... On top of that, he then creates a THIRD account and outs himself by posting a picture of his tattoo as his avatar pictures, the same picture/tattoo he posted in another thread under his DC23 account... Why would anyone think he made an honest mistake here? He posted this to run with it as his own... Only when caught does he make up stories to make it look like honest mistakes or he had no clue... BTW he claimed he knew nothing of the second account which was used to cyber stalk a member here (me)... Meanwhile, the second account was him all along.... If you are going to let him sucker you, then you are a fool
Shoot! I wasn't aware of all of this.. That explains all the "tough love" this guy is getting.
 

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