Tomorrowland is perpetually troubled. So why is it so popular?

Why is Tomorrowland both troubled and popular?

  • It's not crowded! It's called a bottleneck, Bozo!

    Votes: 16 22.2%
  • Thrill rides, mostly Space Mountain.

    Votes: 42 58.3%
  • We're all crazy, Tomorrowland is actually amazingly done!

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • It's the first land on the right, just the way the traffic flows

    Votes: 13 18.1%

  • Total voters
    72

Jedi Stitch

Well-Known Member
Don't most people tend to go Counter clock wise. Having two of there biggest attractions at the entrance does build a bottle neck. Most bang for your buck in attractions to a land. Tomorrowland was always to be 1985. It's Disneyland. They only have a finite amount of room.
 

nevol

Well-Known Member
No need for an apology. I could care less what people think of other people, especially on an amusement park message board. I don't need to analyze and try to dissect the different psyches' of 350 million people in an attempt to try to understand why some people like or don't like crowded areas, or why some people like to decorate their lawns with pink flamingos while others think it's gaudy (me). Nothing against the OP, but I don't have time to read a 2000 word breakdown on why someone likes red paint over silver paint. I've lived long enough, had enough college, had enough work experience, had enough life experience to know what I like doesn't matter to the dude sitting next to me in my office. Matter of fact, I'm pretty sure all the people that you all work with could give two poops about you either. People fake their way through life, being faux cordial to one another, only to turn around and gossip about them 2 seconds later to their other "friend", who in turn, will do the same thing to them 2 seconds later. Once people realize this glaring fact, they end up being happier with themselves, and pretty much leave other people alone. And, in turn, end up actually being nice to others, because they no being mean/cruel/vengeful/etc. won't get them anywhere in life, other than back to the gossip wheel they were on before.

I come to these boards to see the other 'like minded' folk talk about the good/bad/ugly of Disney properties. To delve into some philosophical conversation is absolutely not necessary.

You and I are here to discuss "the good/bad/ugly of Disney properties" Everything else is completely irrelevant. I know when I see long, insightful posts by other members of forums, or hear a podcast with Disney park historians and Imagineers, I am thrilled. It is so fascinating that I take notes or even listen to them multiple times. I've been surfing Disney parks fan forums for over a decade, so when I see a different perspective or concrete knowledge, it is a breath of fresh air that breathes new life into a body of knowledge that, as vast as it is, is only as vast as the total of all guest's observations of the show and whatever background knowledge Disney OK's for release about the creation of those shows.

It is troubling that you would care so much about to good/bad/ugly of Disney parks, and then when somebody writes a long post or has a unique idea/perspective, rather than being thrilled to dig into a topic you love a little deeper, you get defensive and go on the offense. You shouldn't be taking offense to anything I'm saying and writing "TL;DR" every time you want to drop out of a conversation, one that you've driven off the rails, I might add. I completely understand why you would have misinterpreted my first post. I am glad you spoke up and gave me the opportunity to set the record straight. Without your initial reaction, I wouldn't have developed the ideas as clearly as I did. But at that point, you could have recognized that I was extending the olive branch and chosen to accept my apology or apologized yourself. You could have realized that I mean no harm and we could have continued the discussion at hand. You could have written a response that actually responded to some of the ideas I have raised. If you have differing opinions or observations or theories about why people still like tomorrowland given the universal agreement that it is the worst land in the park! Instead, you took my sincere apology and subjective analysis as another insult.

Philosophy, psychology, design, taste, culture; these are the biological and subjective/cultural mechanisms that human beings are equipped with when they interpret media. Media that either generates pleasure or doesn't. What I am talking about is the same stuff that Imagineers talk about! How to make things that are good, not bad or ugly, on Disney properties! How do they define good? How can somebody make a sound prediction that the stories being told or the environments being presented are going to be compelling, are going to be fun, are going to resonate with guests, elicit nostalgia and emotion, etc? It isn't by throwing poop at another creative in the room and screaming TL;DR. I am responding directly to the subject at hand when delving into "philosophy." Without "philosophy," this conversation would be like every single one that came before it, where fan boys and girls rattle off all of the IP's they want and don't want to see in the land, people get "creative" by inventing new rides for the land, which ironically are just a list of the extinct attractions (people mover, carousel of progress, Inner Space), and conversation goes little deeper than "I like this or I dislike that." Without "philosophy," Disney's parks and storytelling would not exist. If you love something so much, aren't you the least bit curious why, or why perhaps it is so successful and beloved by the entire planet?

The irony is that your statement about "what other people need to realize" and what you are on these forums to discuss both run completely counter to your conduct. I am not being vengeful, cruel, or mean; you just wish I was for some reason and are in fact the one doing that. I am here to discuss Disney parks. Are you? I haven't seen any evidence of that. Your rule is a very simple one to follow; unless you are posting about "the good/bad/ugly of Disney properties," don't post at all. I'm going to keep posting, and guess what? My commentary never has anything to do with you and you don't need to lash out.
 
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nevol

Well-Known Member
Don't most people tend to go Counter clock wise. Having two of there biggest attractions at the entrance does build a bottle neck. Most bang for your buck in attractions to a land. Tomorrowland was always to be 1985. It's Disneyland. They only have a finite amount of room.

I am curious what is driving that counter-clockwise phenomenon. It is basically a law at this point in theme park design. Marvel Superhero Island was positioned left of the entrance land at Islands of Adventure because they knew that most people would go right, and to reinforce the land's appeal to nonconforming teenagers who crave independence, they put the land most appealing to them to the left. Maybe in the UK where drivers drive on the opposite side of the road, crowd behavior will be different?

When I go to Disneyland, I go left. It is crazy to me that more people haven't figured this out. Not only is the counter-clockwise flow a curious one, but it also means bad crowd distribution. People immediately end up in the most packed areas of the park, where lines are already growing long. Meanwhile, the left side of the park has 5 (of the best) E-tickets that have no lines until after 10am.
 
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hawkfam

Active Member
Cars drive on the right side of the road. When most people walk on sidewalks we then tend to follow that line of thinking: stay to the right and traffic in the opposite direction will pass to your left. So, it seems it's become second nature that we stay to the right and probably explains how the flow in the parks would tend to go that way.
 

Jedi Stitch

Well-Known Member
I am curious what is driving that counter-clockwise phenomenon. It is basically a law at this point in theme park design. Marvel Superhero Island was positioned left of the entrance land at Islands of Adventure because they knew that most people would go right, and to reinforce the land's appeal to nonconforming teenagers who crave independence, they put the land most appealing to them to the left. Maybe in the UK where drivers drive on the opposite side of the road, crowd behavior will be different?

When I go to Disneyland, I go left. It is crazy to me that more people haven't figured this out. Not only is the counter-clockwise flow a curious one, but it also means bad crowd distribution. People immediately end up in the most packed areas of the park, where lines are already growing long. Meanwhile, the left side of the park has 5 (of the best) E-tickets that have no lines until after 10am.
most people are hitting the newer more popular rides, but being in a right handed world, drive, walk, park right is normal. There could be a lot of Californian Blondes about and if some told them that better Disney fun left, they might turn around and go back home.
I usually have a land in mind or a specific ride I want to ride each particular trip. Rope drop and post fireworks is when I usually go the direction I want. Especially pre-fast pass days, you had to have a game plan. Now, I'm kinda willy nilly. I still have a certain ride I want to hit, but then I plan the fast passes, and then do what sounds good at the time and the line time.
Now, there are some exceptions, like turning 21 and my Best Friend and I plans were more like, drink at the neon cactus till snockered, then hit rides till sober, repeat.
 

yookeroo

Well-Known Member
I've had the fortune of living all over America and been around the world to 11 different countries. But I gotta be honest, I stopped reading your post after the second paragraph. Sorry.

You're not alone. Large blocks of text are not what I come to message boards for.
 

nevol

Well-Known Member
Message boards depend on nonverbal communication, and in this case, that doesn't include facial expressions and body gestures. It is a text-driven form of communication. If you come to a text-based message board with no interest in reading, then maybe you ought to consider getting your Disney fix through the DSNY Newscast on YouTube.
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
I'm not trying to get your dander up. I've lived in San Diego, Phoenix, Philadelphia, and now the suburbs of DC. All big cities. I lived in different spots of California for 11 years (product of the military moving me around), and for what it's worth, it's a great state to visit, but I wholly reject the overarching attitude of the socialist collective that California is trying to instill on the culture. Before you start condemning me for my words (cause god forbid I have my own opinion), maybe you should stop and think before typing something with your feelings instead of logically asking my background. Nevertheless, this conversation is stupidity in action, and I've wasted 3 minutes replying to you. I don't wear my heart on my sleeve, I don't have time for that nonsense.

What I've seen on TV.. lol.. I love you youngin's and your militaristic attitudes to those who don't agree with your world view. This conversation is done, BTW..

I assumed, and said IF SO. I wasn't sure what exactly you were getting at and I was looking for clarification.

I wasn't condemning you. You ask others to not condemn you before clarification, but you do exactly that. You're a hypocrite. This conversation is "stupidity in action," and yet you're participating in it.

Not sure why you're kee-keeing about the television comment. You speak as if people don't apply what they see on television to their daily lives. I brought up NOTHING regarding my world views.

This "young'in" will continue to call you out, should the stupidity of this conversation begin to rub on you again.
 

Antaundra

Well-Known Member
Why tour counterclockwise when you can tour clockwise and enjoy an empty Adventureland with employees awkwardly waving to you, get your own boat on POTC, be able to actually admire the NOS alleyways without hundreds of people in the way and see HM in the morning sunlight?
Have you ever been in a stretching room by yourself? I've roped dropped and tried to get one by myself a few times. The closet I've ever gotten is just me and two other couples.
 

George Lucas on a Bench

Well-Known Member
Option 3 in this poll makes me laugh. I should do a satirical Tomorrowland vlog where I give it a bunch of backhanded compliments, ask the employees what the satellite dish is for and reenact scenes from Saved by the Bell in Pizza Port.
 

shortstop

Well-Known Member
Option 3 in this poll makes me laugh. I should do a satirical Tomorrowland vlog where I give it a bunch of backhanded compliments, ask the employees what the satellite dish is for and reenact scenes from Saved by the Bell in Pizza Port.
Don't forget to ask about the new peoplemover attraction they are adding to the random floating platforms.
 

Figments Friend

Well-Known Member
So I just recieved a interesting time sensitive survey from the good folks over at Parks & Resorts....that I agreed to take while just spending a weeks vacation at the Disneyland Resort.
It hasn't even been 24 hours since I left.....and Mickey wants my opinion of 'Tomorrowland' , which I found interesting.

Read what you want into what it could mean....but I found it interesting.
I've taken many of these online surveys both during and after many visits to the Parks on both coasts, but his one stood out due to the subject matter and time sensitive nature.
Thought it was worth mentioning here.

A screen shot of one of the survey points for those curious -


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nevol

Well-Known Member
So I just recieved a interesting time sensitive survey from the good folks over at Parks & Resorts....that I agreed to take while just spending a weeks vacation at the Disneyland Resort.
It hasn't even been 24 hours since I left.....and Mickey wants my opinion of 'Tomorrowland' , which I found interesting.

Read what you want into what it could mean....but I found it interesting.
I've taken many of these online surveys both during and after many visits to the Parks on both coasts, but his one stood out due to the subject matter and time sensitive nature.
Thought it was worth mentioning here.

A screen shot of one of the survey points for those curious -


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THINGS ARE HAPPENING
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
So I just recieved a interesting time sensitive survey from the good folks over at Parks & Resorts....that I agreed to take while just spending a weeks vacation at the Disneyland Resort.
It hasn't even been 24 hours since I left.....and Mickey wants my opinion of 'Tomorrowland' , which I found interesting.

Read what you want into what it could mean....but I found it interesting.
I've taken many of these online surveys both during and after many visits to the Parks on both coasts, but his one stood out due to the subject matter and time sensitive nature.
Thought it was worth mentioning here.

A screen shot of one of the survey points for those curious -


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Would love to fill out this survey. I'd put "poor" for almost everything.
 

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