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Tipping Mousekeeping

Discussion in 'WDW Resort Hotels' started by DiSnEyF@n, Apr 14, 2017.

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How do you tip "Mousekeeping"?

  1. Every day

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  2. At the end of your stay

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  1. 21stamps

    21stamps Well-Known Member

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    WOW.

    Tipping isn't just done to help someone making minimum wage. There are positions that have always been tipped positions. No, they aren't mandatory, they are the norm though..and if someone does a horrible job- by all means- do not reward them.

    But, people claiming, proudly, that they don't tip percentages, they won't tip over ore set amounts, and they don't tip housekeepers.. is pretty shocking.

    I am really curious to know-
    Were you not taught these things in school?
    Did your parents teach you about tipping?
    Or did you just one day decide to buck the norm?
    And I'm also curious to know, what do you teach your children about the subject?
     
  2. flynnibus

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    I wasn't blaming you.. but those that are trying to muddy the conversation with comparisons that just don't matter.

    It does matter.. because their comp model and target earnings are not based on minimum wage. It's based on an expected take which is a combination of wages+tips. The tips are simply not guaranteed pay, they are performance based pay. Just like many white collar workers have variable portions of their pay.. and they base their employment decisions around that. Knowing portions of the pay are voltile, unsecured, and may or may not have upside. The wait staff are the same. They don't work in the better restaurant for the same minimum wage as the crappy place expecting to make the same minimum wage. They (and the employer) know that based on the location and clientel an worker performing well should make an equivalent wage of X. They took that job knowing that.

    When people individually stiff or don't participate, they do directly hurt the staff's earnings, and no employer minimum wage gap coverage is going to make that up (unless they are already working a place with little to no business).

    And that outline ties into why we shouldn't tip housekeeping as the norm. It's not how their compensation plan is laid out. If someone wants to tip someone extra as a thank-you... that's great. But that is not the same as expected tipping.

    I agree that is a stupid standard. The standard is 'what is the arrangement between my boss and the customers in terms of how we agree employees should be paid'. That is a convention established through the business relationship the employer sets with its customers and usually has wider social contexts. If I want to tip someone as an extra thank you.. that's MY CHOICE. But don't look at me different because I don't tip the clerk running the cash registered looking for tips is serving me.
     
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  3. bigrigross

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    At the end of the night, if they work 4 hours. They will come out at least with 29 dollars that night. If they do not like that pay, then they need to find a new job. No one forces you to work in a tip based industry. Its on the employees and its really not my problem. I am not saying I do not tip, but at the same time, I dont feel bad if I dont leave a tip. They are at least getting paid 7.25 an hour if they dont get any tips for that hour.

    But back on topic, I will not tip anyone who is not in a tip based job. In fact, a lot of employers forbid it. Housekeepers are paid whatever they are paid. They are not included on the $2.13 pay scale. They get 7.25 an hour at the least. Also, what is the difference between a 100 dollar steak and a 25 dollar steak to a waiter? Nothing. It weighs the same if not less than the 25 dollar cut. It doesnt effect their time any differently. Why would I tip based on cost when a waiter at outback is probably busing their own tables, getting drinks, bringing food, plating food, etc when a waiter at a fine dining restaurant just brings the food and the check. That is why i dont tip a percentage of the bill.

    I went to a don pablos. Nothing fancy or expensive. I had one of the best waiters ever. My bill was 45 dollars. I tipped him 50 dollars because he made an ordinary night, into something special for my family and I. I think from our table, he made over 400 dollars. That is how I tip. Dont do anything special, you get 5 to 10 dollars. You suck, you get a penny. Its as simple as that.
     
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  4. 21stamps

    21stamps Well-Known Member

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    Fine dining requires several different services for one table. The tip does not just go to your main server. That's one of the reasons why you should definitely tip more at fine dining.

    Like I said above, housekeeping..along with tour guides, bell hops, etc etc etc have always been mainstream "should tip" positions. Always.
    If they are bad at what they do, then show it in your tip for sure.
     
  5. dmw

    dmw Well-Known Member

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    Absolutes that refer to infinite timelines are always infinitely incorrect. Repeating an incorrect absolute an infinite number of times does not validate an incorrect absolute. And, that's not even considering that absolutes will absolutely vary infinitesimally across cultures. o_O
     
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    I suppose that depends on your definition of "always".

    http://time.com/money/3394185/tipping-myths-realities-history/

    According to this article, "As recently as 2011 [...] industry experts such as Michael Lynn of the Cornell School of Hotel Administration pointed to data suggesting that only 30% of hotel guests actually left tips for housekeepers."
     
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  7. bigrigross

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    And that is where we disagree. If I see the words, tipping is encouraged, I will be more likely to tip. But minus the bell hop, I never tip those "mainstream" services. I tip the bell hop because he is helping me be lazy. The others are all doing their job. Now I will say this. I usually always put the do not disturb sign on the door for the length of the my stay unless it is longer than 3 nights. I dont like people being in my room which is partially why I do not tip the housemaids as they are there to clean up the room after I am gone. I also do not tip forced valet. If its voluntary I will, but I have noticed an increase in valet only parking at hotels since I started traveling for work more.

    Also, what other services does fine dining include? I dont drink alcohol. The chefs are not getting a tip. The bus boy is not being paid on tips. So what other service is being tipped in a fine dining establishment? The waiters do less than an outback steakhouse waiter.
     
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  8. 21stamps

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    Of course there's buss boys/girls at fine dining restaurants.. has your server ever swept the crumbs?lol. They're above that ;)

    Ok, so you don't use a sommelier...but your comment on what the actual wait staff does is way off base. They are trained to be fine dining, and they are very different than a server at Outback.

    Here is what I was always taught-
    Fine Dining- 25% tip.
    Regular Dining- 20% tip
    Bad server- 5-10%. Never outright skipping the tip.

    Also, forced valet does not include the tip. Trust me, forced valet drives me nuts- but- you are still supposed to tip at least $2.

    Again- Housekeeping has always been a tipping scenario.

    It's not about agreeing or disagreeing. It's basic etiquette rules that have been in place for years and years...and have been generally practiced by most people (hopefully).
    Choosing to ignore that convention is certainly your choice... but it isn't the norm, and I hope that people don't think that it is.

    ETA- if you're interested.. here is some reading on the subject-
    http://traveltips.usatoday.com/tip-hotel-cleaning-30612.html
    https://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g191-s606/United-States:Tipping.And.Etiquette.html
     
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    Any fine dining I have ever been to, their has been no different in what the waiter does. Sure, they look a bit spiffier, but at the end of the day, they bring food, refill my drink, and deliver the bill. Maybe the fine dining restaurants in New York and LA are different, but any $100+ per person restaurant I have been to, I havent seen anything to warrant paying more.

    I know forced Valet doesnt include the tip and I really do not care. Its forced valet. I am not tipping. I will only tip Valets if the parking is optional which I have done at multiple occasions.

    It has nothing to do with etiquette. A tip is a way of saying thank you for the service you received. But now, people expect it, even if they do not earn it. If a tip was mandatory, it would be on the bill. Also, I will never ever tip a bad server. Never. They get a penny from me and I make sure they know it. A penny tells them they should do better. Not paying just makes them think you skipped out on the tip. If you expect a tip from your customers, you need to make sure you do a good job. Waiters should never expect a tip. Expecting a tip because thats the way the world works leads to disappointment and also entitlement which this country has taken up more of. You would be shocked how much you are in the minority on this. Including paying the hotel housekeeping. Most people do not.

    You may have grown up in a different time, but now that time is over. I will not give for no reason and neither will most people.
     
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  11. KrzyKtty

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    Restaurants around here must be very different. Most restaurants here do have servers split tips with bus boys/girls. Some restaurants even have servers split their tips with the chefs. Actually, there are a few restaurants here where the server is forced to pay the chef out of pocket if they did not get a tip, or large enough tip, from the table.

    Not that I am saying one right thing or another, just noticed the difference.
     
  12. BuddyThomas

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    You seem nice.
     
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    I actually understand some people's issue with tipping while on business travel. Not that it is fair one way or another, but many companies do not allow employees to request cost reimbursement for tips. When you have long stays like many of my guys do, the out of pocket cost can really start to add up. Meal tipping is at least baked into the daily per diem allowance, anything else is on their own dime; even if they are only traveling because we tell them to.
     
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    This is actually against current FLSA rules. A tip pool cannot include cooks (or other customarily non-tipped positions). The National Restaurant Association is trying to get a case before the Supreme Court that could change that, but for now, the District courts are deferring to the current DOL rules.
     
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    I have a buddy who works as a sous chef at an uspcale restaurant in our downtown area. I asked him about this and he said waiters only receive tips, unless a mixed drink is ordered and then the waiter must split the tips for that table with the person who made the drink which is fair. Bus boys and chefs do not receive tips and its like this for most of the industry in the midwest. Even when he worked in Chicago for training. I am just basing it off my view of the midwest where I live and mostly travel. Which is stated in an earlier post that I didnt know about LA or NY for fine dining.

    Edit: I know these reads as defensive. I dont mean it to. I apologize if it comes across like that.
     
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    Well I will admit the last time I saw this happen in person was a couple of years ago. That being said, many around here still do shady stuff all the time. It isn't that uncommon to find out that some restaurant owner owes tens of thousands in back pay. :mad:
     
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    I figured. I live in the SE. I was just noting that I was surprised by the difference is all. :)
     
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    Yeah, I drive out to Richmond, VA several times a year for my job. Its crazy what happens when you go into different parts of the country how different things can be.

    I know people think I am a horrible person by my recent post. I tip and I tip very well to wait staff and even the optional valets. I tip based on performance. I dont tip by percentage. I have tipped well past 100% before, even when out for work which came out of my pocket and not the companies. If people come to expect 18% and give substandard service, of course they are going to be angry when they get either a penny or a couple bucks.

    Now, I have on one occasion seeked out a bus boy who I flagged down because our waiter only showed up once every 20 or 30 minutes. I made sure she watched as I gave him a 15 dollar tip for finding her for me and she got a penny at the end of the night.
     
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    The mandatory fees bug the banana's out of my husband all the time. Right or not, the tip for the Pizza Delivery guys went down when their company starting charging a extra delivery fee on top of all of their other fees. I'm now the one that always answers the door instead. :D
     
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    That is funny you say that as our delivery fee went from 1 dollar to almost 5 across the board. I live in a rural area and papa johns is the only one that delivered. I always tipped very well because they had to drive 12 minutes to get to my house. I always made sure it was worth it for them to get to my house first so my pizza wasnt the last on the list to be delivered. But, when they increased the delivery fee to 5 dollars (also same fee in city as well), I stopped getting it delivered and instead went and picked up pizza from a better place across town. I wasnt going to jip the pizza guy because the company raised the delivery fee. It seems those delivery fees are becoming more common place now.
     
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