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WDW1974

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I wonder if Disney bought up all those fancy Iron Man slot machines I saw at the Revel last April before the AC Half Marathon?

I'm sure those slots, which only still exist because Disney is under contract and has no choice (wink-wink), have been moved to other casinos.

I wonder if we could get a story on them on the Disney Parks Blog? Someone want to suggest it to Dr. Blondie?
 

BrianLo

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Fanbois can crow about Marvel's quality all they want (and I LOVED GotG), but that world just doesn't mesh well with Disney's.

I actually don't see much issue with GOTG in tomorrowland (as a standalone attraction). A "Stark Expo" is ok, but the rest doesn't belong in Disneyland. But, current day tomorrowland doesn't belong in Disneyland either...
 
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WDW1974

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How many people on a given day are just showing up with expired tickets? How many locals with expired tickets are following Twitter waiting for word of an outage?

Probably next to no one (except some folks who never empty a wallet) until the last time it happened and I was a bit of a poopyhead and told folks what they could have done. But no one reads this thread as you may have guessed.
 

WDW1974

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The last couple of trips I received an after trip follow up emailed questionnaire. One of the questions was 'what Disney related social media sights I follow.' You could check them all. All the big name ones were listed including this sight. Oddly Lou's sights were not on the list. I found that curious.

From what I've read about the man he is an incredibly wealthy man, both he and his Dad had a successful law firm and he wrote a law book that has been and currently is still be used. All the money he earns now between books, appearances, blog conventions etc. is just fun money likely. I think he has come to see himself as an 'attraction.' We passed him in the MK having a meet up and his fans were lining up in a queue to meet him, similar to a character meet and greet. I've caught a few of those Fox TV interviews, he seems to love being spokesman for the Mouse. His relationship with The Mouse seems to be different than most Disney Social Media types.

I don't know. I considered doing an indepth study of the man in 2011 when his whole empire came into view for me. I don't know how successful his law career truly was if he gave it all up to be WDW's top BRAND advocate. Lawyers who are successful make real money. No matter how successful a Lifestyler is, they have limits to what they can earn. No doubt the Lou BRAND has value. What that is, I dunno.

I once tried to get a straight answer about Lou out of someone at CP. Yeah, I'm still waiting.
 

PhotoDave219

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Just remember what "Bland Tommy' Smith said to a recent convention of PR pros: Every word of every post that Disney puts out on that Blog is vetted by Legal first.

I swear I have no clue how a media/entertainment company can function this way, but Legal rules all (again, remember those code of conduct signs that are coming?)

Legal controls all.
 

WDW1974

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Facts, Conjecture, and Utter Falsehoods.... My favorite flock of Disney loons....


After long absence of nearly a year, I have returned (or “re-returned” to throw up on your custom door mat). Many projects and Disney filled trips have kept me from even visiting this oasis in the wasteland of Disney mis-information, but I am here with my two unsolicited cents.


As predicted and reported by many ( thanks primarily to @WDW1974 ), the Liberty and Discovery of a Walt Disney World vacation with friends and family has become more joyless. Even with the addition of the 90 second mini coaster in the new “meet-and-greet-land”, there is still not much in the way of new offerings at what was the Mecca of all things Disney. Worse still most of the short term additions have been or are going to be overlays and plus-ups.


From my many trips to WDW in the last year, I have a cornucopia full of colors and fun names emblazoned on my magic handcuffs. With 2 more on the way for my upcoming food and wine trip, I'll be nearing my full second set. What I have found during my trips is that I spend a lot more time at Other Company's Parks and doing non-Disney things. They are not getting that 11% spending bump from me and mine.


During my absence here, Disney has finally decided to do something about what we have all been talking about here for a long time, the “Universal Problem”. Comcast is dumping enormous sums into it's Florida Property and it's reaping the benefits. I know they get at least 2 days of my time on every trip and with what's rumored, maybe more.


SIDEBAR: Someone is going to get The Lord of the Rings rights and build a whole new type of Theme Park. Does anyone here know who has the fast track now?


However, I come not to be the spit on their face but be the wind at their back. The Magic Band and associated boondoggle appear to be thinning the sycophant herd according to the namesake of this particular post and that may be good news. Even the illustrious “leader of the club” and head Mouse Man got the public memo, “ Build something worth seeing”.


If the “well under construction” Avatarland can save the day (and nights with the River of Lights and such) at AK and we get the 2 great expansions at HS, maybe it will solve the “Universal Problem”. So we have some actual new attractions on the horizon and some positives to reflect on. I often come off as cynical and less than “Capraesque” but I do see some very slow moving positives. (2017?)


Do not be fooled mortals, I still have plenty of venom left for the MM- and it's associated reduction of previous vacation freedom. I have angst over the mismanagement of DVC properties, booking procedures, and the disconnects with these higher end customers. I am incredulous at how disengaged some executives are with long range planning in a consumer driven pop culture business.


And now, a question for the OP:


Now that the man at the top says he wants to stay until WDW is fixed, will we see full realized versions of Star Wars and other proposed lands/expansions?



I missed you most of all Scarecrow.

*1023*

P.S. I now return you to your fascinating conversation about the value of data center redundancies and the theories behind them.

Nice to see you back. I found you a fascinating Spirit before you vanished into the ether. To be fair, some others have disappeared too. I leave, but I always return. That's the OCD in me ... plus the value of the WDW1974/Spirited BRAND.

I am confused about your question that I bolded above. Who are you suggesting wants to stay until WDW is fixed?
 

PhotoDave219

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You had me until you took a shot at Bette and Julia. Touchstone was a great idea ... one from Walt's son-in-law that Michael and Frank ran with.

Disney as a Studio has become nothing but a tentpole factory. And you have three examples above of why only making one kind of film (at least budget wise) isn't a smart long term strategy.

Here's an interesting Memo from The Archives.

Katzenberg wrote a long memo to Eisner & Wells about thoughts on the blockbuster/tentpole film.

Worth a read, it applies more today than in 91.

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2011/11/some-thoughts-on-our-business.html
 

WDW1974

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Legal controls all.

That is just astounding to me. How can there be any value in the communication between company and consumer if it all reads like a legal brief? If it's all so phony?

I did hear that Disney was getting that way with its Guest Relations people now. I've heard of some very legal type handling of guests with legit complaints of late.

She seems a tad "eccentric" even by Disney standards. A doctorate in social media?

I think they all have something weird about them to some degree. PR people can be weird animals to start with and Disney always seems to have even more characters.

Steven Miller is one, although I know he has his legion of fanboi supporters because he says he loves the Orange Bird and Figment. I had a few 'meetings' with him when he was WDW Ambassador and I found him so creepy, so Stepfordy. (I've heard he loves Twin Peaks and I can understand why ... he was like a Lynch character brought to life). I've since heard that was married and has a son and I admit that shocks me.

As to Dr. Blondie, I've never been in her presence to my knowledge, but she certainly comes off ''special'' now not Phil Kippel special, but special nonetheless.
 

WDW1974

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I get the same strange looks from colleagues when I tell them I am going to WDW. Let's face it, the place attracts a growing number of folks that would be at home in Storybook Circus Freakshow. Just got back yesterday. In no particular order, I witnessed:

---a lifestyler leading a tour group of his followers. Disney allows this?
---many religious types who wear their faith on their sleeve, or more likely their T-shirt. The worst of many was a fat guy wearing a "Lord's Gym" T-shirt, depicting Christ carrying a cross.
---a woman allowing her naked kid to splash around in the fountains in front of the American Adventure.
---good ol' boys in our Pirates of the Caribbean boat whooping and hollering about the "jugs" on the redhead.
---the family dressed as Frozen characters (all adults or teenagers)
---more spandex and tatoo-covered bodies than at a monster truck rally
And of course the usual toddlers in tiaras and ECV brigade.

I will say that the older castmembers were very helpful and not overly saccharine.

Yep ... sounds like a typical WDW crowd today. Next someone will say where do they get their money and then there will be a debate on class missing the point that you can't buy it, you either have it or you don't regardless of socio-economic factors.
 

PhotoDave219

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That is just astounding to me. How can there be any value in the communication between company and consumer if it all reads like a legal brief? If it's all so phony?

I did hear that Disney was getting that way with its Guest Relations people now. I've heard of some very legal type handling of guests with legit complaints of late.



I think they all have something weird about them to some degree. PR people can be weird animals to start with and Disney always seems to have even more characters.

Steven Miller is one, although I know he has his legion of fanboi supporters because he says he loves the Orange Bird and Figment. I had a few 'meetings' with him when he was WDW Ambassador and I found him so creepy, so Stepfordy. (I've heard he loves Twin Peaks and I can understand why ... he was like a Lynch character brought to life). I've since heard that was married and has a son and I admit that shocks me.

As to Dr. Blondie, I've never been in her presence to my knowledge, but she certainly comes off ''special'' now not Phil Kippel special, but special nonetheless.

The only PR people that I can deal with are people who were actual journalists. Not working for the Lakeland Ledger, but people who understand what news is and were successful at it for years. People who understand an uncontrolled breaking news environment and are able to keep up with its hyper kinetic pace. People who don't? Well i just can't respect them because they havent a clue of how the news business works.

Never officially met Steven before, just seen him once. I'd have prefered him to dress as Mister Blonde if he was going to go around singing Blue Swede's cover of 'Hooked on a Feeling' instead of that silly cardboard mix tape.

I find that the PR folks are asked to do a LOT of ridiculous and silly things by those above them..... which seems pretty ridiculous in and of itself.
 

misterID

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Well, they are making billions off of the films and merchandise, so why build attractions?

I am very concerned about Marvel in Anaheim. I don't want them in the parks much more than they currently are (would I take the Marvel-themed RnRC at DCA that MIcechat reported? yeah, I guess that's about as far as I'd go). But I don't want Anaheim's eventual third gate to simply be Disney Marvel's World of IP. I just see Marvel and Disney clashing so badly and damaging both BRANDS.

Marvel should stay at UNI, at least in Florida. Like Potter, I think UC has a better grasp in how to Utilize the brand, especially with the attractions, anyway. UNI and Marvel are a perfect match. The only way it can work is a third gate.

The rnrc... Overlaying an existing attraction with a popular IP instead of creating its own attraction just feels tacky. What does this remind me of? o_O
 

1023

Provocateur, Rancanteur, Plaisanter, du Jour
Here's an interesting Memo from The Archives.

Katzenberg wrote a long memo to Eisner & Wells about thoughts on the blockbuster/tentpole film.

Worth a read, it applies more today than in 91.

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2011/11/some-thoughts-on-our-business.html

Dave, Please forward this Memo to all current executives at the Disney Company. This poignant reminder my prove useful in preventing the strengthening or launch of a fierce competitor in our industries of dominance.....

...what's that you say? It's already happening again? Comcast.....hmmmmm....


*1023*
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
I don't know. I considered doing an indepth study of the man in 2011 when his whole empire came into view for me. I don't know how successful his law career truly was if he gave it all up to be WDW's top BRAND advocate. Lawyers who are successful make real money. No matter how successful a Lifestyler is, they have limits to what they can earn. No doubt the Lou BRAND has value. What that is, I dunno.

I once tried to get a straight answer about Lou out of someone at CP. Yeah, I'm still waiting.

I know a gentleman that has known the family forever and a day. The law firm was a very successful firm when sold. (My Sis is a main partner in a leading lawfirm in her city and is in the process of buying the founder out. A good lawyer and a solid firm earns oodles of money, hers mainly deals with sports teams athletes.) Lou authored a college text book that is still in circulation that is amazing having to do with technology law if I am remembering correctly. He also was in on some type of new launch in IT back at the beginning of the dot com era setting up something for the medical field if memory serves.

The man (skip the personality) seems to have quite the business sense and the ability to know when to venture and when to exit. His original books of trivia sold well, I have no idea about the one that came out last year or his audio tour guides of the quirky tid bits of WDW. Now if all that sweetness is genuine I am not sure. Attorney's tend to pick there words carefully and are generally well crafted words. He has that mastered so never having a conversation with the man it is difficult to put a finger on how genuine he is with his business Disney ventures.

I find him a bit intriguing in what he manages to pull off with Disney and his podcast and blogging ventures too. He seemed to quickly climb to the National level of that blog world and has been keynoting at some impressive places. My fascination, for lack of a better word is more what he has been able to pull off by a relatively young age. It does help I guess coming from a prominent family and his father obviously mentored him well in climbing the business world successfully and quickly. Even for the short time he has been in Orlando he has managed to break through barriers in the Mouses House like nobody else. My friend that knows him well from a young age and remain good friends says this is him in real life. He certainly is a social butterfly. If you write the book, I'd read it, he is unique character.
 

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