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Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Construction/Specifics

Discussion in 'Disneyland Resort' started by BrianLo, Feb 28, 2016.

  1. DDLand

    DDLand Well-Known Member

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    I'm inclined to think that these AT-ATs will be more involved than what meets the eye. While clearly the legs are stationary, the head could actually be remarkably complex. An AT-AT head has four weapons mounted to it. Two under the cockpit and two on either side of the pilot. AT-AT's weapons are extremely powerful, and as a result recoil. That quick pulse after each firing is a quintisential part of their look and feel. Additionally the side mounted weapons are equipped with a greater freedom of movement, being built onto a rotating joint that moves vertically to the ground. This gives AT-ATs greater flexibility for both close range ground targets and aerial targets.

    These particular features (recoil and rotating joint) can be seen clearly in this quick compilation of AT-ATs from Hoth:


    I suspect in Disney's obsessive focus to detail, these characteristics won't go unnoticed. I'm guessing many Star Wars nerds who know Episode 5 by heart are working on this!

    So considering the idea these heads will be supporting 4 constantly recoiling and possibly pivoting canons with electrical for lights and simulated lasers the overbuilt head becomes more reasonable.

    Now obviously this is conjecture, but with this attraction I'm betting on more realism. Static AT-ATs wouldn't fit the bill.
     
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  2. Old Mouseketeer

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    Actually, no. Based on the most recent overhead photo this mass of concrete and toothpicks lines up with the rockwork adjoining the new Indian Village. I think this is a good guess (although up until now I was totally thrown off by the telephoto lens effect).
     
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    Well, the AT-AT building just leaped up another 20+ feet taller. This building is going to be the biggest at Disneyland by leaps and bounds; height, width, depth, scale, etc.

    Also, at the 6:00 mark we get really good shots of the Indian Village. Am I wrong in thinking the "room" being built into the rockwork might be for the re-staged scene where the Indian Shaman tells his stories to the tribe? Or as the guys who guide the Canoes tell you, he's telling "The story of how the churro came to his people".

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  5. Curious Constance

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    The 6 point mark of that video where we're seeing the village, are we seeing the back of it, and the river/boats will be traveling in front of it on the other side we can't see?
     
  6. Dr. Hans Reinhardt

    Dr. Hans Reinhardt Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I think so. I'm actually finding harder to get my bearings now that there are so many trees. It took me a moment to realize that I was looking at the Fantasmic storage building. It's all changed rather suddenly.
     
  7. Curious Constance

    Curious Constance Well-Known Member

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    That must be right because I imagine we'd be able to see the track for the river boats if it traveled on the side we are viewing.
     
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  8. FerretAfros

    FerretAfros Well-Known Member

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    Not necessarily bad, just expensive. It would be sort of like buying an industrial dish washer for your home kitchen. Sure, it will get the job done, but it's really not the most effective use of your money

    Similarly, along Big Thunder Trail they've been doing a lot of sculpted concrete work to look like wood:
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    True, concrete has a longer lifespan than wood, but is it worth it? Aged-look wood would likely last 20+ years before needing to be replaced, and would be relatively cheap and easy to remove and replace. Sculpted concrete is significantly more expensive to build, and will likely need to be repainted more frequently than wood would need to be replaced. Additionally, replacing the wood is a fairly quick and simple task that could be completed by nearly any contractor, while repainting the concrete will require high-end faux finish painters. You could probably replace all the wood 3 or 4 times (effectively 70-100 years of maintenance) before you approach the startup price of making it out of concrete and the initial paint job

    And to what purpose? Sure, it looks like the sculptors and painters have done an incredible job, but in a land that's full of "real" aged wood, it just doesn't quite match its surroundings; this is an issue in WDW's new Fantasyland project, where they also used a ton of sculpted concrete but the uncanny valley remains. Why not just make the dilapidated wood shack and timber retaining wall out of wood? I'm not an accountant, but it just doesn't make sense to me for either the initial construction or lifecycle costs

    This is what value engineering is all about. And they don't seem to be applying any of those common sense principles to this project
    That's an interesting theory, and probably partially correct. If they fire, I imagine they would have some movement on the guns, to make them as realistic as possible

    But there's still seemingly no reason why they couldn't build a heavy-duty framework that attaches the moving pieces to the tall legs, and attach a lighter superstructure for the aesthetic-only elements. That approach would be somewhat similar to the approach Disney uses for most buildings, which are framed out of steel, and then have wood additions for façade elements like rooflines, cupolas, and widows. There's still plenty of strength for the functional elements, but the non-functional items aren't overbuilt

    The only logic I can think of is that the project was given a massive budget, and WDI feels they need to spend every cent of it, regardless of whether there might be a more affordable option. Whether this is to hide WDI's own huge costs relative to the overall project cost, or to ensure that large budgets are approved for future projects (a frequent problem with publically-funded operations like snow removal), or some other reason, I just don't know
    I read somewhere recently that the building will have the highest rockwork in DLR, so presumably part of it will be taller than the Matterhorn. Similar to the Cadillac Range in Carsland, I expect that it will mostly be mid-height with occasional spires going higher, but it will be quite large regardless. At least from what we can see so far, it looks like the 3rd level won't be incorporated into the ride space, so it is likely all for the façade
    It looks like that area will be 'outside' the railroad and roughly the same elevation as the tracks. Considering that anything up there wouldn't be visible from the canoes, the lower deck(s?) of the Twain, or any of the inward-facing railroad carriages, I doubt it is any sort of significant show element

    My guess is that it will be the top of a waterfall that is used to hide the river entrance to the Fantasmic! storage area, similar to the Little Mermaid waterfall/storage area on Storybookland (though hopefully more convincing). The new concrete structure will probably be a pump room (pulling double duty as secondary/emergency egress for the storage bunker below), with the new rockwork forming the waterfall. According to ROA's lore the headwaters are under the treehouse on TSI, but this may become the highest point of water on the updated river
     
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  9. Curious Constance

    Curious Constance Well-Known Member

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    I like this picture with the AT-ATs through the trees.

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  10. Curious Constance

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    A new wall going up by the Pooh ride.

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    Thought this was kind of interesting. Here is a direct quote from disneygeek.com explaining what's going on in this pic....

    "They were using it to move dirt from the Star Wars side to the river side. A front end loader was dumping dirt into the hopper on the left and it would travel along the belts through the trees."

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  12. Curious Constance

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    I had thought that the AT-AT in the foreground looked smaller than the one behind it, and the video released by Disney seems to confirm that, right?
     
  13. Dr. Hans Reinhardt

    Dr. Hans Reinhardt Well-Known Member

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    I saw that in one of the videos posted earlier and wondered what it's for. There'll be a passage nearby so could it be for theming purposes to hide the backside of Pooh?
     
  14. The Mur

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    ok, so the angles are still tough but here is what I am thinking - both of the AT-AT's are "facing" a core in the building that is open and over a smaller concrete pit. I am thinking that is where one of the elevator/lifts will be and that would mean we might rise in our vehicle up while facing the AT-ATs.
     
  15. Curious Constance

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    Good idea. I was thinking it would be hiding Star Wars land in Critter County, but forgot there is an equal need for hiding Critter Country from Star Wars areas.
     
  16. Curious Constance

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    Train trestle on the right. I couldn't be more confused about the placement of everything. The train seems really high to me.

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  17. Dr. Hans Reinhardt

    Dr. Hans Reinhardt Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, and from that angle it's difficult to tell if what we're calling the Native American Village on the right is in front of the bridge, aligned with it, or behind it. I guess if you consider that the bridge marks the Frontierland entrance to SW Land it would be reasonable to assume that those forms are along the ROA shoreline as it bends southward and the DRR continues heading east over the bridge towards Fantasyland.
     
  18. BrianLo

    BrianLo Well-Known Member Original Poster

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    Right, the second layer of berm needed for the land beyond the berm. The two show buildings mostly have it covered, but that section also needs to be walled off from Mickey and Friends.

    Still TBD if it's going to be a plant berm or rock work.
     
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  20. The Mur

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    If you got to the recent NearMe aerial photo on the MiceAge update from Friday you can see clearly that the train will pass on the parking structure side of that mound which I do think is related to the Indian village. Again the compression from the telephoto lens is distorting the perspective a bit.
     
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