Rumor Siemens is going to end their sponsorship with the parks - Spaceship Earth and IllumiNations

EricsBiscuit

EricsBiscuit

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Orlando will be getting a lot more coasters in the next 5-10 years that's for sure. From Mako to Tron to the Hp one to the possible Excavator at DAK. Wow.
 
PorterRedkey

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Maeryk said:
Get used to launch coasters. They are a darkride perfect fit, because they don't need a massive hill, which means smaller show building and a lot less wasted space. For that reason alone, you are going to be seeing more of them.
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That is true. I would rather have the coasters enclosed and not towering 160 feet over the park. I guess I would prefer at least one MACK Inverted Power Coaster type of ride.



I think I may be a little bias because my wife has not enjoyed her only launch coaster experience (RnR).
 
cjkeating

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PorterRedkey said:
That is true. I would rather have the coasters enclosed and not towering 160 feet over the park. I guess I would prefer at least one MACK Inverted Power Coaster type of ride.



I think I may be a little bias because my wife has not enjoyed her only launch coaster experience (RnR).
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Hopefully after TDO's experience with the Mack Slinky Dog coaster they will think about purchasing something else from their coaster catalogue.
 
PorterRedkey

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Hopefully, SSE will be safe for awhile. Iger MAY be gone by then, so who knows what may happen to SSE then. However, if Chappie takes his place, I am really worried.
 
cjkeating

cjkeating

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Maeryk said:
Is there a thread or info explaining said "experience"? Sounds not optimal.
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Oh no... I meant it in a positive way. Mack are a very highly regarded ride manufacturer who are at the top of their game right now. I would imagine once the ride is up and running the reliability and efficiency of the ride will impress Disney and the inverted powered coaster I quoted a few posts back would be a logical choice for another coaster from Mack.
 
trainplane3

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cjkeating said:
Oh no... I meant it in a positive way. Mack are a very highly regarded ride manufacturer who are at the top of their game right now. I would imagine once the ride is up and running the reliability and efficiency of the ride will impress Disney and the inverted powered coaster I quoted a few posts back would be a logical choice for another coaster from Mack.
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Just to somewhat enforce this, Mack definitely seems to be more stable than Intamin launch coasters. And I mean both the cable and LSM based systems from Intamin. However, while Intamin may try to push the envelope with certain rides, Mack stays simple but pulls off some very fun rides without going for some super unique not proven system. At least that's what I can tell.
 
disneyC97

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Time Racers in the WoL building? Similar to UoE...use the dome for queue and preshow, replace the unthemed old attraction buildings out back for the ride.
 
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celluloid

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disneyC97 said:
Time Racers in the WoL building? Similar to UoE...use the dome for queue and preshow, replace the unthemed old attraction buildings out back for the ride.
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That would be great, but those up charging insane things making all that money would have to leave(which would be fine by me.)
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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peter11435 said:
As usual(always?).. you are incorrect sir.
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Wrong like 'Its only a matter of time before Disney charges for FP' or that the WDW cuts were not permanent

Im guessing you dont play chess or go where you need to evaluate strategy

Look i get it that Disney is your favorite company, But your basic assumption is that Disney still cares about guest experience.

Mine is Disney only cares about the share price.

WHEN Media Networks starts operating at a loss and it will unless they radically rework the cost structure. Disney is going to need to replace that revenue and Gaming is going to be the Go to option, Disney will rely on people's short memories to forget about the legal maneuvering to block gaming.

Likely strategy will be to support indian nation gambling in the south and panhandle and limit miami/canaveral to cruise gaming which will leave them as the big dog in Orlando
 
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ford91exploder

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MerlinTheGoat said:
While I somewhat agree, I have different reasons for why they haven't done so yet. There would be a ton of massive bad PR if they officially delved into the casino business, but there may also be legal problems as well given how heavily they've lobbied against them (often successfully) and slammed them as evil. Even though they have generally fought against them due to competitive business reasons rather than moral ones (at least in the post-Walt era).

That said, ford is the only person i've seen adamant about casinos being the future of Disney. And his negativity is absurd and extreme even for this forum. Even other heavily critical people here aren't making claims to that degree. Disney would have to fundamentally change their stance on gambling from the core of their business model to get anywhere with the casino business. And while they may increase their profits considerably (MAYBE), they would burn a ton of bridges in the process and open up a potentially nightmarish legal mess. They would also have to loosen the leash with other casinos in the area as well, as they could no longer rely on a moral argument to keep them out. It may be riddled with risks they're not interested in chancing.
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I'm adamant about it because it leverages Disneys current strengths Hotels, Food Service, Convention Support and Infrastructure, And the Chinese LOVE TO GAMBLE.

Media Networks is cratering and within 2-4,years will be operating at a major loss. Disney has failed in the digital arena.

The easiest way forward for Disney to replace the lost revenue from Media Neworks is gaming as it plays to Disney's strengths

As to the hard feelings in public, the average person these days has the attention span of a gnat and will not even remember the battles.
 
peter11435

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ford91exploder said:
Wrong like 'Its only a matter of time before Disney charges for FP' or that the WDW cuts were not permanent

Im guessing you dont play chess or go where you need to evaluate strategy

Look i get it that Disney is your favorite company, But your basic assumption is that Disney still cares about guest experience.

Mine is Disney only cares about the share price.

WHEN Media Networks starts operating at a loss and it will unless they radically rework the cost structure. Disney is going to need to replace that revenue and Gaming is going to be the Go to option, Disney will rely on people's short memories to forget about the legal maneuvering to block gaming.

Likely strategy will be to support indian nation gambling in the south and panhandle and limit miami/canaveral to cruise gaming which will leave them as the big dog in Orlando
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Again and as usual you are very wrong. But I don't need to tell you that because you already know. We can meet again in 1, 2, 5, 10 years, and I will again tell you are still wrong on this point.

And no, Disney is actually not my favorite company.
 
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jpeden

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JudyHopps said:
Site that shall not be named reports the Corporate Lounge for Siemens closed today. Siemens sponsorship remains until September 30.
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They also reported in that same article that the relationship soured because Disney turned down a new monorail fleet. Didn't that part get debunked?
 
RoysCabin

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Man, if they were indeed willing to tear out SSE for a coaster it just makes all the EPCOT 35 merchandise feel even more backhanded. "Come and buy all the stuff that reminds you of when this was the greatest park on Earth, because we're going in the exact opposite direction today."

Obviously like just about everybody else here I'd gladly take an update for SSE, but it's the same old story for EPCOT, it seems: lots of things are either left to rot or just get torn out completely, when both situations could be avoided with just a slightly improved upkeep expenditure and a willingness to be proactive.

I certainly don't want to throw in the towel yet on this "EPCOT 3.0" project, there's still a lot of time to go and plenty of things to be announced or revealed, but thus far about the only official thing I find myself excited for is the removal of the Legacy stones and the tarps behind SSE.
 
HMF

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RoysCabin said:
Man, if they were indeed willing to tear out SSE for a coaster it just makes all the EPCOT 35 merchandise feel even more backhanded. "Come and buy all the stuff that reminds you of when this was the greatest park on Earth, because we're going in the exact opposite direction today."

Obviously like just about everybody else here I'd gladly take an update for SSE, but it's the same old story for EPCOT, it seems: lots of things are either left to rot or just get torn out completely, when both situations could be avoided with just a slightly improved upkeep expenditure and a willingness to be proactive.

I certainly don't want to throw in the towel yet on this "EPCOT 3.0" project, there's still a lot of time to go and plenty of things to be announced or revealed, but thus far about the only official thing I find myself excited for is the removal of the Legacy stones and the tarps behind SSE.
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I will admit that the plans for 3.0 could be MUCH worse, GOTG is a travesty though and I am terrified about IllumiNations.
 

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