Rumor Siemens is going to end their sponsorship with the parks - Spaceship Earth and IllumiNations

Magenta Panther

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Ditto. I mean, GMR sets the precedent that the icon ride for any park is no longer safe. If the artwork for Pixar Pier is correct and to be taken literally, then Mickey's Fun Wheel, another park icon, is likewise no longer safe. On top of all that, you have Seimens dropping the sponsorship...yeah, something's up. Martin has said enough for us to know the game's afoot. It remains to be seen when, and what exactly will happen.

They just better not sturn SSE into the frickin' Death Star. Though I wouldn't be surprised...
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
I don't quite understand the allure of the trackless rides. Unless there is some interactive/responsive component that would make each ride unique, a track makes more sense for a ride with a predetermined path, doesn't require recharging, can traverse inclines, etc.

The better trackless rides do offer unique experiences on parts of the ride, like Winnie the Pooh and Aquatopia at DLR, and I believe Mystic Manor in HKDL as well. I've never been on the penguin one at Sea World so I can't comment on that one.
 

Captain Neo

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Just an FYI that Time Racers was Tom Fitzgerald's baby and he's currently the project head of Epcot + Disney is on a mission to replace their AA heavy original attractions with shorter video screen based rides. Also keep in mind last time he pitched it Eisner came insanely close to greenlighting the project so........
 

trainplane3

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Just an FYI that Time Racers was Tom Fitzgerald's baby and he's currently the project head of Epcot + Disney is on a mission to replace their AA heavy original attractions with shorter video screen based rides. Also keep in mind last time he pitched it Eisner came insanely close to greenlighting the project so........
I was thinking the same. I'd be fine with Time Racers...if it wasn't for SSE. If they don't know what to do with CommuniCore, stick it there. Have a gimmick where it goes to the opposite building, preferably at the end closest to SSE so it wouldn't make the plaza noisy. You could design it nicely so it would fit in...or cheap out and stick it in a 150ft tall blue box and call it a day.
 

montyz81

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The saving grace was if Energy became a coaster, SSE would not.

But I'm getting bored of sacrificing one attraction to save another.
Again, Silver lining here, if you are going to sacrifice a ride for another, SSE would be the ride to save. The way I see it, All of 1982's Epcot Center will soon be wrapped up inside SSE. I feel like maybe SSE will stay the same or maybe continue to incorporate elements from the original FW 8 as all the other rides around it are changed and or euthanized to make way for an IP.
 

epcotWSC

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I honestly have very little love for SSE. Doesn't do much for me. It's a decent ride, but certainly not a must do for me. I've actually skipped it the last couple years I've gone. So I wouldn't care much if they replaced it with something else. A Death Star would be awful, but maybe do something that actually fits the theme of whatever Epcot is trying to go for these days. At this point we may as well turn Epcot into Stereotypical/Romanticized Culture World since it does very little to tell us about the future. Make Future World into America World. Or maybe we'll call it A Salute to All Nations, But Mostly America. Done. :D
 
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ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
This discussion is making me very nervous...

As it should,

Disney just needs to go ahead buy a few legislators and get gaming approved for WDW and convert EPCOT into the EPCOT Resort and Casino complex with SSE being the multilevel casino,

It will make mucho bucks for TDO imagine the share buybacks and executive bonuses it would fund....
 

peter11435

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As it should,

Disney just needs to go ahead buy a few legislators and get gaming approved for WDW and convert EPCOT into the EPCOT Resort and Casino complex with SSE being the multilevel casino,

It will make mucho bucks for TDO imagine the share buybacks and executive bonuses it would fund....
If Disney was interested in gambling they would not have built 4 cruise ships without casinos where it would have been legal and industry standard.
 

disney1023

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Again, Silver lining here, if you are going to sacrifice a ride for another, SSE would be the ride to save. The way I see it, All of 1982's Epcot Center will soon be wrapped up inside SSE. I feel like maybe SSE will stay the same or maybe continue to incorporate elements from the original FW 8 as all the other rides around it are changed and or euthanized to make way for an IP.
Or maybe the new Guardians of the Galaxy attraction could hold a lot more EPCOT Center with the whole Epcot connection with Star Lord...
 

MerlinTheGoat

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If Disney was interested in gambling they would not have built 4 cruise ships without casinos where it would have been legal and industry standard.
While I somewhat agree, I have different reasons for why they haven't done so yet. There would be a ton of massive bad PR if they officially delved into the casino business, but there may also be legal problems as well given how heavily they've lobbied against them (often successfully) and slammed them as evil. Even though they have generally fought against them due to competitive business reasons rather than moral ones (at least in the post-Walt era).

That said, ford is the only person i've seen adamant about casinos being the future of Disney. And his negativity is absurd and extreme even for this forum. Even other heavily critical people here aren't making claims to that degree. Disney would have to fundamentally change their stance on gambling from the core of their business model to get anywhere with the casino business. And while they may increase their profits considerably (MAYBE), they would burn a ton of bridges in the process and open up a potentially nightmarish legal mess. They would also have to loosen the leash with other casinos in the area as well, as they could no longer rely on a moral argument to keep them out. It may be riddled with risks they're not interested in chancing.
 
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Movielover

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If SSE was in DHS, it would have been the Death Star yesterday. Thank goodness it's in Epcot.

If SSE was in DHS then DHS would have been a very different park... Then I would start wondering just how much I did drink in World Showcase?

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CJR

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The saving grace was if Energy became a coaster, SSE would not.

But I'm getting bored of sacrificing one attraction to save another.

I don't imagine SSE holding a very good coaster anyway.

I'd take Guardian's (partially) purpose built coaster over something forced inside of an existing, probably modified 40 year old (by the time it could open) geosphere.

SSE is more suited for a high capacity slow ride for many reasons including its location at the front of the park, its aging structure, and the fact that keeping it a slow ride would probably save Disney money over something more extreme. It's a win on all accounts, hopefully whoever gets put in charge of its next project has some common sense.
 

Maeryk

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While I somewhat agree, I have different reasons for why they haven't done so yet. There would be a ton of massive bad PR if they officially delved into the casino business, but there may also be legal problems as well given how heavily they've lobbied against them (often successfully) and slammed them as evil. Even though they have generally fought against them due to competitive business reasons rather than moral ones (at least in the post-Walt era).

That said, ford is the only person i've seen adamant about casinos being the future of Disney. And his negativity is absurd and extreme even for this forum. Even other heavily critical people here aren't making claims to that degree. Disney would have to fundamentally change their stance on gambling from the core of their business model to get anywhere with the casino business. And while they may increase their profits considerably (MAYBE), they would burn a ton of bridges in the process and open up a potentially nightmarish legal mess. They would also have to loosen the leash with other casinos in the area as well, as they could no longer rely on a moral argument to keep them out. It may be riddled with risks they're not interested in chancing.


If Disney wanted gambling cruise ships, they would have gambling cruise ships, under another corporate name. Just like they release R movies under another corporate name. Sure, if you dig, it's part of disney holdings, but they very much keep that branding on the d-lo. Their ships are money presses so as it is.. enough that they are building 3 more of them. They don't need to add gambling to have them be wildly successful.
 

PorterRedkey

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The saving grace was if Energy became a coaster, SSE would not.

But I'm getting bored of sacrificing one attraction to save another.
How many launch coasters does WDW need?
RnRCoaster, Slinky Dog, Tron, and even Guardians of Energy is rumored to have a launch.
Three new attractions, in 4 years will have a launch component. While I know they will all be different experiences, it just seems a little much.
 

Maeryk

Well-Known Member
How many launch coasters does WDW need?
RnRCoaster, Slinky Dog, Tron, and even Guardians of Energy is rumored to have a launch.
Three new attractions, in 4 years will have a launch component. While I know they will all be different experiences, it just seems a little much.

Get used to launch coasters. They are a darkride perfect fit, because they don't need a massive hill, which means smaller show building and a lot less wasted space. For that reason alone, you are going to be seeing more of them.
 

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