1. Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
    Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.You can use your Twitter or Facebook account to sign up, or register directly.
    Dismiss Notice

POLL: Which do you prefer? Upsells or layoffs

Discussion in 'Sea World Orlando' started by Siren, Dec 7, 2016.

?

Which do you prefer?

  1. Upsells. It doesn't bother me because I don't have to buy them.

    34 vote(s)
    79.1%
  2. Layoffs. Parks should layoff workers instead offering optional upsells that I don't have to buy.

    9 vote(s)
    20.9%
  1. jakeman

    jakeman Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Messages:
    12,079
    Likes Received:
    23,264
    Wait! What if we charge the cast members to be fired?
     
  2. Siren

    Siren Well-Known Member Original Poster

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2012
    Messages:
    1,135
    Likes Received:
    1,670
    Yes, it is.

    per wiki -
    Commerce is the activity of buying and selling of goods and services, especially on a large scale. The system includes legal, economic, political, social, cultural and technological systems that are in operation in any country or internationally. Thus, commerce is a system or an environment that affects the business prospects of economies. It can also be defined as a component of business which includes all activities, functions involved in transferring goods from producers to consumers.

    It really is that simple -- buying and selling. Disney sells and we have an option to buy. So, for people to balk at the concept of Disney selling things is just kind of bizarre to me.

    Florida is close to approaching 100 million tourists a year -- of which, (almost 70 million) visited Orlando.

    The themepark industry is booming. Orlando, in particular is seeing billions of dollars being invested in the themeparks, as well as the city.

    At this point, Sea World's issues have very little to do with Blackfish. They have had more than enough time to bounce back from that.

    Look at all of the unfortunate events and news that occurred at Disney over this past year alone and it has not hurt them. Sea World can no longer blame Blackfish for their issues.
     
  3. Bocabear

    Bocabear Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2013
    Messages:
    2,242
    Likes Received:
    9,939
    but Disney is not in the position that Sea World is in... so the question of Upcharge or layoff is not really necessary. I don't have a problem with upcharge premium offerings until they become the standard fare you used to get with your admission that they now want to upcharge for.
     
    MOXOMUMD, Siren, lebeau and 4 others like this.
  4. rael ramone

    rael ramone Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2013
    Messages:
    1,107
    Likes Received:
    2,559
    The funds necessary to supply premium service, via a sufficient sized workforce that is sufficiently compensated so they will provide such premium service is worked into the price of everything you pay for in the swamps, and it was true when so much of the offerings cost half as much...
     
    Siren and Jon81uk like this.
  5. Jon81uk

    Jon81uk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    2,067
    Likes Received:
    3,204
    No its a sliding scale. You don't have to say buy this $100 event or we fire that guy.

    It can be, if we get 2000 more people in the park tomorrow we will need an extra member of staff so we can open another cashier at the burger shop. Then if next week we get another 2000 people maybe we need a few extra staff as this seems to be happening more often. Then a few months later if guest numbers drop again it might be that they decide to run the coaster on one train operation, so they need one less member of staff.
     
    Siren, lebeau, 21stamps and 1 other person like this.
  6. Mr Ferret 88

    Mr Ferret 88 Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2006
    Messages:
    8,108
    Likes Received:
    30,594
    01010100011010000110100101110011001000000111000001101111011011000110110000100000
    01101001011100110010000001110000011011110110100101101110011101000110110001100101
    0111001101110011

    That is binary !
     
    MOXOMUMD, Siren, lebeau and 3 others like this.
  7. csmat99

    csmat99 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2005
    Messages:
    365
    Likes Received:
    630
    You couldn't be more wrong. Blackfish crippled Sea World and what made it worse was how badly Sea World PR screwed up with their initial responses for that first year. They thought it was going to blow over. And most of the layoffs are about getting rid of redundant positions.
     
  8. bhg469

    bhg469 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2003
    Messages:
    6,269
    Likes Received:
    9,864
    This^^ 100%
    Blackfish painted them in the worst light possible and they suffered for it. Their reaction to is was really pretty terrible and were in a reactionary state ever since. The damage has been done and they need to cut back in order to survive..

    Disney World is in no danger of trouble. They're exploring options for new opportunities for profitability... These are apples to oranges comparisons.
     
    Angel Ariel, MOXOMUMD, Siren and 4 others like this.
  9. Jon81uk

    Jon81uk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    2,067
    Likes Received:
    3,204
    and the Disney theme parks division needs the profitability due to Hong Kong profits and Paris poor management.
     
    rael ramone, Siren and bhg469 like this.
  10. CDavid

    CDavid Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2001
    Messages:
    1,796
    Likes Received:
    6,123

    The entire premise of this poll is mistaken as it proceeds from a series of false assumptions.

    First, and by your own admission (above), Disney is not seeing the decline in attendance which Sea World has experienced. There is no call for layoffs; This isn't an either/or proposition. The issues with attendance at Walt Disney World are isolated and almost completely of the company's own making, specifically closing much of a theme park combined with ever higher prices.

    Second, there is absolutely no evidence or reason to believe all the "upsells" and added charges are anything but a money grab. Greed is at wok here; An attempt to make the financial numbers look better than they really are. Fundamentally, it is little different than selling off land or closing attractions so the executives can look good (as opposed to the buffoons they may appear to be). Disney wants its guests to spend more money, that's no secret. They aren't doing these things to protect Cast Member jobs or to avoid "sticking it" to the "regular" guests.

    Finally, exactly how is it that you think this "proves" anything with regard to (completely justified and objectively argued) criticism of Walt Disney World's business practices? The company (often) honestly appears to not understand the business it is engaged in, the needs and wants of its customers, or respect for its history and legacy which has created present success and which should point the way to the future. Seriously bone-headed or just misguided business decisions don't require a degree to understand; They're plainly visible to a blind man, wearing a blindfold, at midnight in a dark, windowless room with no lights.
     
    L.C. Clench, JohnD, drizgirl and 3 others like this.
  11. wm49rs

    wm49rs A naughty bit o' crumpet Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2006
    Messages:
    19,522
    Likes Received:
    20,704
    Well, not management....
     
    Siren and JohnD like this.
  12. marni1971

    marni1971 WDW History nut Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Messages:
    32,173
    Likes Received:
    112,858
    Third option. They make enough profit as it is.

    And this is not WDW and Rumours.
     
    JohnD, evelynbrian, drizgirl and 8 others like this.
  13. Siren

    Siren Well-Known Member Original Poster

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2012
    Messages:
    1,135
    Likes Received:
    1,670
    I totally agree. Likewise, you don't have to say, "lets fire hundreds of workers because attendance is down."

    Disney World's attendance has decreased slightly, yet profits have skyrocketed. People spend more when the parks are less crowded because they are having a better experience overall. So, Sea World losing attendance does not have to result in a loss of profits or having to lay off hundreds of workers.

    Okay so -- b(0), s(1) = buysellbuysellsellsellsellbuy....

    The only difference I can see between Sea World and Disney is that Disney is not afraid to take risks. Disney is constantly creating new experiences and technology to pry every last cent out of their customers hand and they are not too good to grovel for it.
     
  14. Mr Ferret 88

    Mr Ferret 88 Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2006
    Messages:
    8,108
    Likes Received:
    30,594
    Not even close but don't let that get in the way of your opinion.
     
    MOXOMUMD, Siren and 21stamps like this.
  15. csmat99

    csmat99 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2005
    Messages:
    365
    Likes Received:
    630
    OMG - the only difference? Disney's market capitalization at roughly $150 billion Sea world is roughly around 1.6 billion. Disney parks get roughly 138 millions visitors a year and growing Sea world parks 22 million and stagnant. The reason why we talk about universal and Disney is because universal is owned by Comcast which is playing on the same street as Disney. They are at the adult table. Sea World isn't even invited for dinner.
     
  16. Jon81uk

    Jon81uk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    2,067
    Likes Received:
    3,204
    They aren't just firing hundreds of people, Its 320 positions across all parks and corporate headquarters, including the elimation of vacant positions. So some of the decision making could just be based around the fact they don't need to recruit as many people to work in ticket booths as people are buying tickets online.

    Its quite possible that one of the reasons DisneyWorld's margins are up is that they have also eliminated some vacant roles and are recruiting fewer people. One of the easiest ways to protect profits is to avoid recruitment of staff you don't need.
     
    Siren and Andrew C like this.
  17. Jon81uk

    Jon81uk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    2,067
    Likes Received:
    3,204
    Yet in your first post you mentioned SeaWorld have opened new rides recently, surely building the tallest coaster in Orlando is a risk and a new experiance for visitors to Florida?
     
    Siren, 21stamps and bhg469 like this.
  18. danlb_2000

    danlb_2000 Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2009
    Messages:
    16,497
    Likes Received:
    57,382
    Disney's profit is increasing because they are spreading out the loss from that attendance over all the remaining visitors by way of higher costs. That only works to a point, if you loose to much attendance you will not be able to make it up that way.
     
  19. 21stamps

    21stamps Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2016
    Messages:
    6,859
    Likes Received:
    9,915
    I love SeaWorld. I agree with this post though, Blackfish has crippled them, and it's not going away anytime soon. We have an entire army of SJWs now who could care less about the truth of the company, but will jump on the latest PETA or social media led bandwagon.

    Those people won't go, and they won't take their children to visit, sadly there's a lot of them.
     
    MOXOMUMD and Jon81uk like this.
  20. Minthorne

    Minthorne Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2011
    Messages:
    1,772
    Likes Received:
    4,791
    How about Lay-ups and Sell-offs?
     
    Siren and jakeman like this.

Share This Page