Not so magical

[NelsonRD]

Depending on how long the delay was, I'm surprised she wasn't refused her flight and escorted off the plane.



Not a surprise. People think they know things through stuff they've read online (these boards and such) or heard from friends or remembered the way it was 20 years ago... If you listen while you are at the resorts or on Disney transportation, you'll hear all sorts of stories. The best are the ones where you yourself know that certain things are closed or under refurb and the family is sitting there going on about how they're going into the park and doing that ride first. I just kinda sit there and say to myself "boy are you in for a big disappointment".



As long as there's a lawyer that will take any case, regardless of how frivolous it is, people will try to sue for anything and everything. I always think of Lionel Hutz from the Simpsons any time I see one of those commercials for "Do you suffer from.... You may be eligible for a cash reward... Call us now".

To further this, any lawyer that thinks they can get a client with a good enough case to take on Disney and either settle or win a court case, that's a "win" to them as far as their resume, so, yeah, I'm not surprised there's people that don't sue for things like "Florida weather being too hot in the summer" or "my kid got brainfreeze from eating his Mickey bar too fast", etc...

One solution to the frivolous lawsuits should be to tax the plantiff if they lose the case. The idea is that the courts are run by tax dollars, so the cost and time would be reimbursed back to the state to cover the cost of the trial. With the thought of owing several thousand dollars of court fees If you lose will cut down on such cases.

 

[mousehockey37]

One solution to the frivolous lawsuits should be to tax the plantiff if they lose the case. The idea is that the courts are run by tax dollars, so the cost and time would be reimbursed back to the state to cover the cost of the trial. With the thought of owing several thousand dollars of court fees If you lose will cut down on such cases.

Unfortunately, with a lot of the personal injury lawyers, you hear... "you don't owe a cent until we get money for you."

But still, the lawyers are what make this bad (sorry to any lawyers on the boards here). Any rule that Disney could try to enforce, is written and in plain sight. That said, it's HOW the enforcement is done that will lead to the lawsuit.

 

[NelsonRD]

Unfortunately, with a lot of the personal injury lawyers, you hear... "you don't owe a cent until we get money for you."

But still, the lawyers are what make this bad (sorry to any lawyers on the boards here). Any rule that Disney could try to enforce, is written and in plain sight. That said, it's HOW the enforcement is done that will lead to the lawsuit.

Right, but there is still no threat if they lose. If they lose, the lawyer is out his time, and limited court fees, that is it, the client has even less on the line. It is not as if they lose, and have to return 10K in damages to cover the cost of the trial that was nonsense to begin with. However, as a taxpayer, I have to absorb those costs. That is where it needs to change.

It should be - Your suing for 100K? well if you win you get 100k, but if you lose, you will owe 10k.

 

[mousehockey37]

It should be - Your suing for 100K? well if you win you get 100k, but if you lose, you will owe 10k.

That's why we have elected officials. They're the ones who can make those changes.

Again, as for Disney, they're almost their own monster. They weigh the $ against the offenses and the $ wins. If it didn't, do you think a lot of the tour groups would be allowed back?

 

[Goofyernmost]

I would admit, when I was there last I saw 2 different vehicles that appeared to be stopped by police. Seeing the flashing lights did take away some of the magic of being immersed in the Disney experience for me. I understand it may have been warranted, but from my view, it was a distraction. Insert the "CM's drive crazy and deserve it..." or "Drive properly and you won't have to worry..." or "There are just doing their job..." responses here.....

I hesitated making the post because I know that it will be twisted around to the point of it being completely unrecognisable, but, judging from the continuious stand that you take, Disney reacting to bad behavior will ruin someones (yours in particular) vacation because it shatters the show and creates an unpleasant scene, which, of course is what ruins the vacations. Am I reading that correctly?

If I am, does that mean that WDW or other Disney Parks should be a no hassle zone where one can do just about anything that they feel like without fear of any reprisal or consequence? Or that the disruption that everyone has to endure because someone is unwilling or unable to follow the rules of common courtesy should not be acknowledged and should be left to just fester and expand until a day at WDW is like the cafeteria scene in Animal House? And that doesn't ruin somebodies vacation or create a scene? But Disney reacting would? I am confused.

 

[NelsonRD]

I hesitated making the post because I know that it will be twisted around to the point of it being completely unrecognisable, but, judging from the continuious stand that you take, Disney reacting to bad behavior will ruin someones (yours in particular) vacation because it shatters the show and creates an unpleasant scene, which, of course is what ruins the vacations. Am I reading that correctly?

If I am, does that mean that WDW or other Disney Parks should be a no hassle zone where one can do just about anything that they feel like without fear of any reprisal or consequence? Or that the disruption that everyone has to endure because someone is unwilling or unable to follow the rules of common courtesy should not be acknowledged and should be left to just fester and expand until a day at WDW is like the cafeteria scene in Animal House? And that doesn't ruin somebodies vacation or create a scene? But Disney reacting would? I am confused.

Close. I dislike the behavior just as much as everybody else. My debate is how do you do this without disrupting the atmosphere, while trying to maintain a friendly park. I do not like the idea of throwing people out of the park for taking a flash picture. I don't like the idea of being policed because my stroller is a nuisance to somebody. I don't like idea of getting a traffic ticket for bending the 15 mph speed limit at AK.
Logistically I see the challenge. I think that people in the wrong are not going to be friendly while being punished at Disney. What is worth fighting for?

 

[Goofyernmost]

Close. I dislike the behavior just as much as everybody else. My debate is how do you do this without disrupting the atmosphere, while trying to maintain a friendly park. I do not like the idea of throwing people out of the park for taking a flash picture. I don't like the idea of being policed because my stroller is a nuisance to somebody. I don't like idea of getting a traffic ticket for bending the 15 mph speed limit at AK.
Logistically I see the challenge. I think that people in the wrong are not going to be friendly while being punished at Disney. What is worth fighting for?

Throwing them out of the park is a last resort type of thing. What I want to see is them doing what they used to do and that was to confront the person(s) and directly ask them to stop. For the most part, that will work very well. There will, of course, still be the militant few that do not believe in rules especially if it pertains to them personally. They continue to be unconcerned about the rights of others because they will do whatever they want. Then, they run the risk of being asked to leave or worse, depending on their response.

You might not like getting policed for going over the 15 mph speed limit and you probably wouldn't be anyway, but, do we wait until some child gets killed because someone only cared about themselves and were unable to stop in time? You wouldn't be policed because your stroller is a nuisance, unless that stroller is continuously jamming into people and causing them pain. There is always an allowance for something that is accidental and no one is advocating that the "police" as you call them, go after the accidental but, if it can be witnessed and confirmed that someone is doing that just for spite, then their butt needs to be on the other side of the entry gates.

It's the blatant Guest that just doesn't care about how much you are enjoying your stay that is the problem. From experience the sooner those social bullies are removed the more fun it will be for everyone else. Everyone else has a right to not ever have to witness the garbage from either side. If done consistently, it will stop it from both ends. If no one is acting like a jerk, Disney would have no need to create that scene that you seem to be so worried about. The fact that we are even having this discussion is because they let that situation continue to grow without doing anything to try and stop it. If they had enforced like they once did, this topic would not exist.

 

[mousehockey37]

Close. I dislike the behavior just as much as everybody else. My debate is how do you do this without disrupting the atmosphere, while trying to maintain a friendly park. I do not like the idea of throwing people out of the park for taking a flash picture. I don't like the idea of being policed because my stroller is a nuisance to somebody. I don't like idea of getting a traffic ticket for bending the 15 mph speed limit at AK.
Logistically I see the challenge. I think that people in the wrong are not going to be friendly while being punished at Disney. What is worth fighting for?

Training. The better and more educated the CMs are with their training in these matters, the better they can and will be handled.

Taking 1 flash photo shouldn't get you thrown out. Taking flash photos for half the ride, should get the ride stopped (a minor inconvenience for some and a relief for others who are around the offender) and you removed from the ride. Disney could scan your magicband that they talked with you about this and should you do this again, later in the day on another ride, you could then be removed from the park (just an idea).

Strollers, well, strollers, lol. There's no way to police it. When the park is full, it's bound to happen that someone's going to get hit in the ankles. As for the stroller being used like a battering ram, again, like I stated above, you could be talked to, have your band scanned and you're kinda flagged for the day.

Traffic tickets for the parking lot? It's a parking lot, slow down. There's kids everywhere, other cars, and it can be chaotic, especially when you have everyone trying to get parked and into the park. A few extra minutes of cautious speed limit driving isn't going to make you miss anything (and if it does, you should've planned better to start with).

You are absolutely correct that people who are in the wrong and get caught are not going to go down quietly. That's where you start to see the "entitled" people who "paid all this money to come here". It's up to Disney to create a structured system of enforcement and stick to it. Will you catch everyone? Nope. Just like on any highway. Not everyone who goes 90 in a 55 gets caught, it just doesn't happen unfortunately. However, if everyone is on the same page as to how to stay in character, calm a situation and get "off-stage" (wherever that may be... eventually leading to guest relations) with the offenders, you can still keep the ambiance of the park and keep things friendly. It also won't bode well for the offenders if well trained CMs stay in character, are polite and all and the offenders are totally flipping out, it just doesn't help the case for them looking like they're in the right.

It is something worth fighting for. No one wants to stand in a line for possibly a few hours to get on a dark ride to have it ruined by someone who is going to use the flash on their camera for the entire ride. As are other scenarios worth fighting for. I've said in other threads that since iPads and viewfinders to all devices are so common, that maybe having a "glow with the show" themed nighttime show would work. It would somewhat eliminate the sea of electronics that you don't want to see with a sea of electronics that ARE supposed to be happening. Just an idea.

 

[Redhawk]

The OP mirrors my experience from about a month ago, and we were on our sixth trip in ten years. The experience - and I am not talking about it being "magical" - has been reduced each time. Crowds are up, rides are breaking down with a noticeable increase in frequency, and it just seems like the little details that made it such an outstanding experience are gone.

Sadly, I agree with this. I'm the person who reads the negative hotel reviews, tries a place anyway, and then can't believe I'm staying at the same place because my experience is usually positive and I don't even see what the negatives were talking about. I'm not a nitpicker. With WDW, now every visit (1-2 year intervals) reveals more negatives. From people who ruin dark rides and shows with their constantly glowing screens to peeling paint and ride breakdowns, I can't ignore all the bad stuff. And we stay at a deluxe in the quieter time of year. I can't imagine how bad it is when the crowds increase.

We're going one last time because my husband hasn't been in 4 years and it's a relatively inexpensive short winter vacation for us. However, my intention is that this upcoming visit will be our last. If we had more time we would have gone to Annaheim (we live in DC) because of the posters who say Disneyland is now so much better. Maybe someday we'll go to Tokyo Disney. I'm not giving up on Disney entirely, just WDW.

 

[Pixie VaVoom]

One solution to the frivolous lawsuits should be to tax the plantiff if they lose the case. The idea is that the courts are run by tax dollars, so the cost and time would be reimbursed back to the state to cover the cost of the trial. With the thought of owing several thousand dollars of court fees If you lose will cut down on such cases.

AAAAYY-Freakin' -MEN!!!

 

[Goofyernmost]

If we had more time we would have gone to Annaheim (we live in DC) because of the posters who say Disneyland is now so much better. Maybe someday we'll go to Tokyo Disney. I'm not giving up on Disney entirely, just WDW.

I think one of the reasons that DL is in better condition is because the bosses are right there within an arms reach, the clientele is heavy on the local side so they know what things are supposed to be and what things aren't. That is why it is important to have the big wheels close by, then they have to deal with their decisions instead of being an entire continent away and totally removed. That's the reason they keep high ranking people allegedly in charge of the resorts, it gives Anaheim someone to blame.

 

[jloucks]

Sorry I put my kids on my sholders for all shows. Being 39 inches tall makes it hard to see and they deserve to see and experience the magic just like the adults standing g in front of them. I am not rude or purposely blocking a view but will always continue to do so as the magic to them is real and I pay to endure that they feel it and experience it.

Or... or... you could do like I do, get there early enough so that the kids have a front row seat. It is a horrible 'bait and switch' when the kids are down and you can see, then as the event starts kids go up and now all you can see is a wall of head-kids. I am pretty sure that is the very definition of rude too. So what? You kids needs to see better so ****you?

Now, to be clear, if your kid is up on your shoulders while waiting for the show, fair! But the sudden wall of blindness is just wrong.

 

[jloucks]

Read most of this thread and learned some things. I too hate hate hate the obese people scooters. They need to go (the scooters, not the fat people. Walking fat people - respect). However, Seqways are not allowed? Why is that exactly? Because the obese cannot drive them safely? They cannot drive the calf crushing mini-golf carts safely, how much worse can segways be?

Sooooo,, if money drives everything,, isn't there a TON of liability (heh) with obese people running over everybody?!?! Basically when we are limping around after being hit we need to sue? I am unlucky I guess, but I get hit or run over every visit. ...most of the time minor hits, but once in a while I limp for a while. I see others getting hit to varying degrees daily!

Although... I will admit...my foot was run over twice this last october and it didn't hurt near as bad as you think it should. Maybe the big bulbous tires or something, I dunno.

 

[Blackburn23]

Or... or... you could do like I do, get there early enough so that the kids have a front row seat. It is a horrible 'bait and switch' when the kids are down and you can see, then as the event starts kids go up and now all you can see is a wall of head-kids. I am pretty sure that is the very definition of rude too. So what? You kids needs to see better so ****you?

Now, to be clear, if your kid is up on your shoulders while waiting for the show, fair! But the sudden wall of blindness is just wrong.

Fair enough and to be clear, my kids are up as soon as I find my spot and I always ensure that I do not block or distort the view of another little one. My point is directed at those that are mad that I do it period. I am respectful to those around me as I want everyone to enjoy the experience just like mine do