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Discussion in 'Disneyland Resort' started by RMichael21, Aug 10, 2016.

  1. NobodyElse

    NobodyElse Well-Known Member

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    They do and they don't have a point here. We can look throughout O.C. and find more and less aesthetic examples of pedestrian overpasses. I guess what stands out to me is that they're saying "we don't like it" without giving any real suggestions for what they would like.

    Let's look at their "Design Concerns"

    "The proposed pedestrian bridge design is out-of-scale and out-of character with the neighboring properties and the community as a whole."

    I'm not sure I'm qualified to determine what's "out-of-scale", and that's actually subjective to an extent, but the neighboring properties are a mix of designs and character.


    "It’s clear that the aesthetics of the proposed bridge as viewed from the street are a secondary concern to Disney."

    That seems accurate, and realistically understandable.


    "The appearance of the bridge will have great importance as it will serve as an entrance to the "resort district" and become a signature image of the city of Anaheim."

    Did "Red" run this one past his coalition? If this will serve as an entrance, is he now excluding Camelot Inn, Fairfield Inn, Courtyard, HoJo's, etc. from the Resort District, or is it Tropicana Inn, Park Vue, the Best Western's etc. that no longer qualify? ;)


    "In a community with such exciting examples of public design as the Artic Station and the Convention Center, why is the community subsidizing such a poorly designed bridge?"

    I'll leave this rhetoric alone for now.
     
  2. jbradway

    jbradway Active Member

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    Bridge subsidy? I thought Disney was paying for the pedestrian bridge?
     
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  3. NobodyElse

    NobodyElse Well-Known Member

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    I was questioning this myself. Perhaps they're referring to the overall tax break deal.
     
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  4. Dr. Hans Reinhardt

    Dr. Hans Reinhardt Well-Known Member

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    The hypocrisy of this argument is pretty vexing considering how low the City of Anaheim''s design standards are. I can't think of one non-Disney owned building in the immediate area around the proposed bridge that's any more noteworthy or interesting than the overpass.
     
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  5. TP2000

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    The aesthetics of the bridge is the one thing I agree with the Harbor merchants about. TDA should be forced to come up with a better looking design. As it is now, it looks like a freeway overpass with some abstract Mickey heads stuck to it. This is a typical example of Disney being cheap when it thinks it can get away with being cheap.

    The one other bit of criticism I have for TDA is your note on them being worried about delays. Seriously, Disney? You dragged your feet and your pocketbook on this project for years. Miceage has reported this parking structure has been ready to go for years and years, but successive TDA executives delayed it to make the bottom line look better. TDA execs are horrible about planning for the future until it's the absolute last second, as if they aren't quite sure if Disneyland will need some more parking ten years from now. Duh!

    http://micechat.com/65726-parks/ April 19, 2014

    Disney bought the Manchester properties in early 2014. Disney bought the Carousel Inn in April, 2015. They've owned outright all the pieces of this puzzle for two years, and they've had the parking structure on Pumbaa planned since 2008.

    I have no sympathy for TDA execs if the delay of the parking structure delays Star Wars Land opening, and/or makes the opening of Star Wars Land an expensive and logistical nightmare because the extra 8,000 parking spaces and transit plaza aren't open yet. TDA has absolutely no one to blame but themselves on that one.
     
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  6. Dr. Hans Reinhardt

    Dr. Hans Reinhardt Well-Known Member

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    For sure the Harbor bridge as designed isn't going to win any aesthetics awards, but 1) the style is aligned with the existing DLR pedestrian bridge over Disneyland Drive, a design that has recieved little to no public criticism, and 2) IMO it's better or as good as any existing infrastructure currently within the boundaries of the Anaheim Resort, which I realize isn't saying much because the bar is about as low as it can be. The design doesn't enhance the area, but it doesn't make it any worse either.

    Naturally I support public input, share some of the same concerns as the Harbor businesses, and as a visitor I have some serious reservations about future pedestrian access to and from the Eastern Gateway. However, the bridge aesthetics argument feels like nitpicking and yet another attempt by local businesses to squeeze Disney. If these business owners are going to demand that Disney improve the look of the district with a prettier bridge then Disney ought to demand that McDonald's, The Park Place Inn, and 7Eleven hire a few talented architects to redesign their ugly properties.
     
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  7. TP2000

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    Valid point. Even after the remodels and new builds of the last five years, nothing about that half mile stretch of Harbor Blvd. screams "Design Winner!".

    I think Disney should take the lead here though with their big bridge. Disney has far easier access to funds and talented designers than the owner of the International House of Pancakes.
     
  8. Dr. Hans Reinhardt

    Dr. Hans Reinhardt Well-Known Member

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    You're right, and I think that's a fair argument, however if I were Disney I'd push back on the City for a comprehensive review of the Anaheim Resort's aesthetic guidelines rather than caving in to some business owners who apparently only have good taste when I'm paying the bill.
     
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  9. Kira Nerys

    Kira Nerys Well-Known Member

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    I haven't been following this much and it doesn't seem to matter since nothing has really happened. But I'm not sure there's any way they can do the bridge where it isn't an awkward eyesore. But then you have this enormous concrete parking structure with garish un-Disney decor that looks like something from the 1998 Tomorrowland. It will all serve a purpose, but it will be pretty ugly. But that's Harbor Blvd. anyway.
     
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  10. Dr. Hans Reinhardt

    Dr. Hans Reinhardt Well-Known Member

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    For the uninitiated here's a good visual of how Harbor Blvd appeared looking north from Katella in the 60s.

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    It remained basically the same until the DLR transformation in 2001.
     
  11. Kira Nerys

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    We need more power lines.
     
  12. TP2000

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    That's a '66 Dodge in the middle lane, and the newest car in the photo. This photo was taken right around the time in 1965 that Walt referred to Harbor Blvd. as a "cut-rate Las Vegas". Walt was right.

    And that Denny's midway down the street is the exact same Denny's that is still there to this day, whose present owner has joined the protest against Disney's bridge and security plan. It's been remodeled and re-signed, but it's the same Denny's.

    It kind of makes you wonder how many times the grease traps in the kitchen have been cleaned since '66.
     
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  13. BubbaQuest

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    To be fair, much of roadside America looked like this in places with no master plans. I'm sure I can still find plenty of areas in central LA that look exactly like this.

    I can also understand why merchants may be concerned that Disney might build a pedestrian unfriendly trough.

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  14. Curious Constance

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    I can see why the businesses on Harbor are upset that the pedestrian entrance is going away, but let's not pretend there is any other reason they are making it difficult for Disney any chance they can get. The only nice parts of the area are the parts that Disney has made look nice. Really Denny's? The bridge isn't nice enough for you? You're a Denny's get over yourself.
     
  15. Kira Nerys

    Kira Nerys Well-Known Member

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    I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off. Off and on. All day, all night. Soon, where Disneyland once stood will be a string of gas stations, inexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly-prepared food. Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see! My God, it’ll be beautiful.
     
  16. 180º

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    No one's going to use your lousy freeway when they can take the monorail for a nickel!
     
  17. Darkbeer1

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    I just thought of something this morning... I haven't seen the owners of Captain Kidd's Buffet at any of the meetings or mentioned.

    Heck, that is one good reason for the city to close down the crosswalk on Harbor, public safety against food poisoning.
     
  18. Kira Nerys

    Kira Nerys Well-Known Member

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    Why should they complain? They are directly across from the entrance to Disneyland! No doubt the only thing that's kept them in business.
     
  19. phruby

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    Is there anyway the city or Disney can shut down Tiff's for the same reason? Worst restaurant ever!
     
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  20. Figments Friend

    Figments Friend Well-Known Member

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    Gah....no wonder Walt hated it!
    :eek:

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