SSG
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Wow, that's a lot info to digest. Thanks and welcome @Darkbeer1,
I am not the best in taking satellite images and adding details, so maybe another user can make one, and I will comment based on the info I have already mentioned.
Where do I send the bill for said PowerPoint, I would need to use a staff member to prepare it, take time to review it and then present it... And that ain't cheap!
I'm not either, but in an effort to assist those unfamiliar with the area visualize the crosswalk situation, perhaps this will help.
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Note 1: If I misunderstood something, let me know so I can fix it.
Note 2: If it'll help, I can somewhat note the closed and remaining sidewalks on the west side.
Note 3: Remember, this is based on intelligent rumors of a plan that could easily change. No guarantees - no refunds.
Note 4: Not shown here (it would be just to the right of this image) is a crosswalk across Disney Way near the GardenWalk driveway. I have to wonder if there are plans to alter/move/remove that one.
I'm not either, but in an effort to assist those unfamiliar with the area visualize the crosswalk situation, perhaps this will help.
Note 1: If I misunderstood something, let me know so I can fix it.
Note 2: If it'll help, I can somewhat note the closed and remaining sidewalks on the west side.
Note 3: Remember, this is based on intelligent rumors of a plan that could easily change. No guarantees - no refunds.
Note 4: Not shown here (it would be just to the right of this image) is a crosswalk across Disney Way near the GardenWalk driveway. I have to wonder if there are plans to alter/move/remove that one.
I'm not either, but in an effort to assist those unfamiliar with the area visualize the crosswalk situation, perhaps this will help.
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The bridge is stupidly hard to get to, forcing pedestrians to walk blocks out of their way and then double back over those same blocks.
The one crosswalk I would change from yellow to red is the east one at the corner Harbor and Disney Way (between the Grand Legacy and current Anaheim Plaza).
I'm not either, but in an effort to assist those unfamiliar with the area visualize the crosswalk situation, perhaps this will help.
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Note 1: If I misunderstood something, let me know so I can fix it.
EDIT: Original image changed to reflect elimination of North South Disney Way crosswalk.
Note 2: If it'll help, I can somewhat note the closed and remaining sidewalks on the west side.
Note 3: Remember, this is based on intelligent rumors of a plan that could easily change. No guarantees - no refunds.
Note 4: Not shown here (it would be just to the right of this image) is a crosswalk across Disney Way near the GardenWalk driveway. I have to wonder if there are plans to alter/move/remove that one.
Thank you! That is very helpful!
From Darkbeer's comments and documents, you could also add a closed crosswalk on the west side of Harbor; the north-south one that currently crosses over the shuttle entrance to the Esplanade just under the monorail beam directly across from Captain Kidd's. That crosswalk would go away in the renderings because the only pedestrian access from that side of Harbor goes into the CM Entrance area just north of that intersection.
Yes, yes, yes. I wouldn't be surprised if the eastern portal only access doesn't make it past planning review.
Here's where the disconnect is for me. Eliminating some of the crosswalks doesn't actually make the number of pedestrians less, or the crosswalks any safer. Think of the pedestrians as water. If you have a cup of water with three holes in it and you plug up one hole it doesn't reduce the amount of water trying to get out, it only prolongs the time the water stays in the cup. It just puts a heavier load on the remaining crosswalks. The heaver load will actually encourage riskier behavior because wait times to cross will balloon and people's impatience will result in poor decision making.
If the idea is to actually make the crossings safer for pedestrians and cars then they need to encourage people to use the pedestrian bridge instead of the crosswalks. Take the load off of the crosswalks by making them less desirable. In this drawing it is still easier for people staying on Harbor to use the remaining crosswalks as opposed to the pedestrian bridge. The bridge is stupidly hard to get to, forcing pedestrians to walk blocks out of their way and then double back over those same blocks. It is the exact opposite of making things easier and more desirable. If the city really wants to alleviate traffic safety issues then they have to make access to the bridge easy. They need to offer back entrances onto the back passageway. Perhaps they could even have one public entrance to the back passageway located somewhere more central to the Harbor hotels.
Here's the kicker, it isn't only in the city's best interest to make things easier. It is also in Disney's best interest. If they don't make it easier to access the pedestrian bridge, then they are being shortsighted. People aren't going to go blocks out of their way to get on this bridge. They are going to overcrowd the few remaining crosswalks and subsequently overload whatever small security checkpoint Disney puts in place for non-bridge pedestrians. These backups are going to be a massive headache, and possibly a security issue, for Disney. This could be a real mistake.
Here's where the disconnect is for me. Eliminating some of the crosswalks doesn't actually make the number of pedestrians less, or the crosswalks any safer. Think of the pedestrians as water. If you have a cup of water with three holes in it and you plug up one hole it doesn't reduce the amount of water trying to get out, it only prolongs the time the water stays in the cup. It just puts a heavier load on the remaining crosswalks. The heaver load will actually encourage riskier behavior because wait times to cross will balloon and people's impatience will result in poor decision making.
If the idea is to actually make the crossings safer for pedestrians and cars then they need to encourage people to use the pedestrian bridge instead of the crosswalks. Take the load off of the crosswalks by making them less desirable. In this drawing it is still easier for people staying on Harbor to use the remaining crosswalks as opposed to the pedestrian bridge. The bridge is stupidly hard to get to, forcing pedestrians to walk blocks out of their way and then double back over those same blocks. It is the exact opposite of making things easier and more desirable. If the city really wants to alleviate traffic safety issues then they have to make access to the bridge easy. They need to offer back entrances onto the back passageway. Perhaps they could even have one public entrance to the back passageway located somewhere more central to the Harbor hotels.
Here's the kicker, it isn't only in the city's best interest to make things easier. It is also in Disney's best interest. If they don't make it easier to access the pedestrian bridge, then they are being shortsighted. People aren't going to go blocks out of their way to get on this bridge. They are going to overcrowd the few remaining crosswalks and subsequently overload whatever small security checkpoint Disney puts in place for non-bridge pedestrians. These backups are going to be a massive headache, and possibly a security issue, for Disney. This could be a real mistake.
They need to offer back entrances onto the back passageway. Perhaps they could even have one public entrance to the back passageway located somewhere more central to the Harbor hotels.
A private business like Disneyland has no legal requirement to provide easy access from all angles. Usually its in a businesses best interest to provide easy access to arriving customers, but sometimes it's better for a business to control and limit the access points.
Actually it won't be that bad. Anyone in a hotel south of Disney Way will have to use the new entrance. Some of the Hotel locations north of that will find the new entrance easier also. This eliminates many hotels from using that Manchester crossing.
I hope my rudimentary map is right...
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Actually it won't be that bad. Anyone in a hotel south of Disney Way will have to use the new entrance. Some of the Hotel locations north of that will find the new entrance easier also. This eliminates many hotels from using that Manchester crossing.
I hope my rudimentary map is right...
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Some of them just might have to bite the bullet and lease a shuttle and hire a driver to retain their proximity advantage. .
Ah, that's right. Makes sense.I mentioned a new ART route might be created just for those Hotel/Motels.
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