Guardians of the Galaxy - Why I think you should see it

flynnibus

Premium Member
Original Poster
Just got back from watching GoG in 3D and here's my thoughts (the title kind of gives it away :D )

I will admit, prior to this week I had no interest at all in seeing GoG. I have no history (even passing) with the source material, so no desire there. After seeing the trailer and teaser stuff when they were released... I was torn on what the film was trying to be. The sequences shown didn't really leave me with any desire at all to find out more. The lead-in marketing was a complete DUD for me.

But this week after some people had seen it, spoke well of it, and even made comparisons to Avengers.. even saying topping Avengers. That peaked my interest. I think Avengers is an illustration of the peak of the modern super hero film. From the moving soundtrack, the scale, the pace, the visuals, the dabs of humor, the balance of comic suspension of belief... The Avengers does it all.. and does it well. That hero theme from the battle of NYC is just quintessential super hero stuff. It's the kind of blend of sound and staging that whenever you hear it.. it tickles you and you feel a bit superhero yourself. Like the Superman theme from the 80s films.. or those other inspiring John Williams soundtracks. It just inspires a feeling and click in your brain. So.. you think GoG has that? I'm interested.

First... do not let the fact you have zero idea what the premise of the film is, or who these characters or, etc distract you at all. You need ZERO background of anything Marvel to enjoy this film. In fact, you need more 80s pop knowledge than anything Marvel to get all the gags.

The movie does a great job of introducing you to the characters without boring you with flashbacks or spending time focusing on trying to beat into you 'hey, this is why this guy is here'. They do a respectable job of qualifying each character and their behaviors 'on the fly' without derailing the main track the film is heading down.

Some of the gags are a bit 'old game'.. like Groot's speech (Hodor!) but its not to the point of annoying.

Music
People had made comments about the soundtrack.. and how the music is almost a 6th character in the film. Bleh to that. Without giving away the film... the music played is often Pop tracks of significance to the main character. I love the story tie in here... but really didn't find the pop tracks all that stirring or core to the staging of the action. The lone exception to that is in the climatic battle when they face the bad guy.. and the track inclusion really plays to the comedy of the scene. That and in the credits the Jackson 5 song works out well. But the rest of the film? Meh... want a contemporary track to add punch to the film? Think at the end of the Matrix when Rage starts up.. that's powerful.

Outside the pop tracks... the film has a score that is very reminiscent of Avengers at times.. and it plays well. I think it sounds great.. I just think the 'music as a 6th character' kind of lines are way over blown.

Visuals
The visuals in the film are amazing. It's fun because some of the scenes feel like the classic huge matte paintings of classic sci-fi... yet others have the impossible realism that you only get with modern CGI. The film blends the effects, CGI, and settings perfectly. The only thing I found a bit distracting was Quinn's mask.. but it's minor thing. Overall I think the effects do exactly as they should.. advance the wow factor, make it all look real, all while not trying to be the lead character itself.

There are a few seconds of 'extra 3D to be 3D' but not too much and not overwhelming. The film looked great and I would probably feel a bit robbed without the 3D.

It doesn't matter what form you put Zoe Saldana in.. she looks amazing. It's not over the top like Black Widow in the Avengers.. but its near impossible to hide her sexy.

Characters
The characters (and famous names) in the film are vast and varied. I found most of them interesting and fun and while I'm no Academy critic... I found most of the acting transparent and did what I want it to do.. which is fade into believable. The only part where it gets a bit corny is in the "I have a plan" scene where the 5 characters discuss their plan (or lack of) of attack. Quinn's acting in there made me turn my nose a bit.

Plot/Pacing
Now where this movie excels IMO is the pace and action. It keeps you engaged and you feel like you are along for a hell of a ride. It slows a bit prior and after the climax.. but after the ride you've been on you almost need a breather! But it's not overload.. it's just nearly two hours of "I don't want to look away and miss something!". This is where I think some of the Avengers comparisons come in too.. the movie is PACKED with action sequences.. and unlike Captain America 2 which resorts to the 'lets move the camera around so much so you can't keep track of anything during fight shots' this film's action sequences are so much more enjoyable to watch.

I don't want to say much about the story except I bought in. It felt good, it didn't make me cringe, and it had sufficient twists that I didn't bore of anything. It does have some tear jerker moments. My 11yr old put it as... "it made you happy, sad, cry, and excited all at the same time!"

So what kind of film is this?
Going in, being Marvel and knowing it's comic universe based I was expecting another super hero film like a Thor, Iron Man, etc. But walking out of the theater it really didn't feel like one. It actually felt more like a Science Fiction action film more than anything related to comic books. It feels closer to a Star Wars or Last Starfighter than it does an Iron Man or Superman film.

Not that the movie plays out like Star Wars in any sense.. but in terms of what kind of audience appeal.. I said "its like a supercharged star wars". Way more action, a lot more sci-fi, but not nerdy sci-fi, so it would still have broad appeal. The movie has violence, but it's mostly bloodless violence and while there is some anger/spiteful kind of actions at time, I don't think its anywhere near as bad as Captain America 2 and falls more in line with what you get from an X-Men or Iron Man film. I didn't have any problem at all with what my 11yr old saw. Some of the jokes are a tad pg-13, but nothing more than you might see on network TV these days. I hope people give this film a chance and don't pigeon hole it as a 'super hero film' and then not want to see it. It's not a Rambo.. it's not X-Men.. It's not Star Trek. Maybe the JJ Abrams Star Trek might be the closest parallel give the pace and action Star Trek packed.

Overal Grade?
I think this is a MUST SEE for anyone who enjoys any sort of action film and isn't only interested in dramas or romance films. It's memorable.. its fun.. its amazing to watch.. and it's just the kind of film that makes you ENJOY going to the movies. You don't second guess what you just paid to see it, you don't say "well I'll wait for the DVD...", it makes you think "when am I going to come and see this again?". It's good... no, it's great.

I'd give it 4.75 out of 5 stars. I hope people give it a chance.. it's a great fun movie.
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
I heard about the surprise at the end. Um...okay. But does Disney really need two of them?
the two surprises are seamless.. because one is a character we might see in the future.. and the other is a "throw back" character reference.

Just got back from watching GoG in 3D and here's my thoughts (the title kind of gives it away :D )

I will admit, prior to this week I had no interest at all in seeing GoG. I have no history (even passing) with the source material, so no desire there. After seeing the trailer and teaser stuff when they were released... I was torn on what the film was trying to be. The sequences shown didn't really leave me with any desire at all to find out more. The lead-in marketing was a complete DUD for me.

But this week after some people had seen it, spoke well of it, and even made comparisons to Avengers.. even saying topping Avengers. That peaked my interest. I think Avengers is an illustration of the peak of the modern super hero film. From the moving soundtrack, the scale, the pace, the visuals, the dabs of humor, the balance of comic suspension of belief... The Avengers does it all.. and does it well. That hero theme from the battle of NYC is just quintessential super hero stuff. It's the kind of blend of sound and staging that whenever you hear it.. it tickles you and you feel a bit superhero yourself. Like the Superman theme from the 80s films.. or those other inspiring John Williams soundtracks. It just inspires a feeling and click in your brain. So.. you think GoG has that? I'm interested.

First... do not let the fact you have zero idea what the premise of the film is, or who these characters or, etc distract you at all. You need ZERO background of anything Marvel to enjoy this film. In fact, you need more 80s pop knowledge than anything Marvel to get all the gags.

The movie does a great job of introducing you to the characters without boring you with flashbacks or spending time focusing on trying to beat into you 'hey, this is why this guy is here'. They do a respectable job of qualifying each character and their behaviors 'on the fly' without derailing the main track the film is heading down.

Some of the gags are a bit 'old game'.. like Groot's speech (Hodor!) but its not to the point of annoying.

Music
People had made comments about the soundtrack.. and how the music is almost a 6th character in the film. Bleh to that. Without giving away the film... the music played is often Pop tracks of significance to the main character. I love the story tie in here... but really didn't find the pop tracks all that stirring or core to the staging of the action. The lone exception to that is in the climatic battle when they face the bad guy.. and the track inclusion really plays to the comedy of the scene. That and in the credits the Jackson 5 song works out well. But the rest of the film? Meh... want a contemporary track to add punch to the film? Think at the end of the Matrix when Rage starts up.. that's powerful.

Outside the pop tracks... the film has a score that is very reminiscent of Avengers at times.. and it plays well. I think it sounds great.. I just think the 'music as a 6th character' kind of lines are way over blown.

Visuals
The visuals in the film are amazing. It's fun because some of the scenes feel like the classic huge matte paintings of classic sci-fi... yet others have the impossible realism that you only get with modern CGI. The film blends the effects, CGI, and settings perfectly. The only thing I found a bit distracting was Quinn's mask.. but it's minor thing. Overall I think the effects do exactly as they should.. advance the wow factor, make it all look real, all while not trying to be the lead character itself.

There are a few seconds of 'extra 3D to be 3D' but not too much and not overwhelming. The film looked great and I would probably feel a bit robbed without the 3D.

It doesn't matter what form you put Zoe Saldana in.. she looks amazing. It's not over the top like Black Widow in the Avengers.. but its near impossible to hide her sexy.

Characters
The characters (and famous names) in the film are vast and varied. I found most of them interesting and fun and while I'm no Academy critic... I found most of the acting transparent and did what I want it to do.. which is fade into believable. The only part where it gets a bit corny is in the "I have a plan" scene where the 5 characters discuss their plan (or lack of) of attack. Quinn's acting in there made me turn my nose a bit.

Plot/Pacing
Now where this movie excels IMO is the pace and action. It keeps you engaged and you feel like you are along for a hell of a ride. It slows a bit prior and after the climax.. but after the ride you've been on you almost need a breather! But it's not overload.. it's just nearly two hours of "I don't want to look away and miss something!". This is where I think some of the Avengers comparisons come in too.. the movie is PACKED with action sequences.. and unlike Captain America 2 which resorts to the 'lets move the camera around so much so you can't keep track of anything during fight shots' this film's action sequences are so much more enjoyable to watch.

I don't want to say much about the story except I bought in. It felt good, it didn't make me cringe, and it had sufficient twists that I didn't bore of anything. It does have some tear jerker moments. My 11yr old put it as... "it made you happy, sad, cry, and excited all at the same time!"

So what kind of film is this?
Going in, being Marvel and knowing it's comic universe based I was expecting another super hero film like a Thor, Iron Man, etc. But walking out of the theater it really didn't feel like one. It actually felt more like a Science Fiction action film more than anything related to comic books. It feels closer to a Star Wars or Last Starfighter than it does an Iron Man or Superman film.

Not that the movie plays out like Star Wars in any sense.. but in terms of what kind of audience appeal.. I said "its like a supercharged star wars". Way more action, a lot more sci-fi, but not nerdy sci-fi, so it would still have broad appeal. The movie has violence, but it's mostly bloodless violence and while there is some anger/spiteful kind of actions at time, I don't think its anywhere near as bad as Captain America 2 and falls more in line with what you get from an X-Men or Iron Man film. I didn't have any problem at all with what my 11yr old saw. Some of the jokes are a tad pg-13, but nothing more than you might see on network TV these days. I hope people give this film a chance and don't pigeon hole it as a 'super hero film' and then not want to see it. It's not a Rambo.. it's not X-Men.. It's not Star Trek. Maybe the JJ Abrams Star Trek might be the closest parallel give the pace and action Star Trek packed.

Overal Grade?
I think this is a MUST SEE for anyone who enjoys any sort of action film and isn't only interested in dramas or romance films. It's memorable.. its fun.. its amazing to watch.. and it's just the kind of film that makes you ENJOY going to the movies. You don't second guess what you just paid to see it, you don't say "well I'll wait for the DVD...", it makes you think "when am I going to come and see this again?". It's good... no, it's great.

I'd give it 4.75 out of 5 stars. I hope people give it a chance.. it's a great fun movie.


I honestly believe that this movie played very similarly to "the fifth element" movie, about the reluctant hero.. the losers joined together.. creating something special.
They portray their characters very special, but not superpowered with other marvel chars (like Thor for example) but at the same time, they are flawed that makes you feel for them.

Now that you've seen him.. I recommend you chunk the entire Guardians of the Galaxy catalogue by starting with the "Annihilation saga".

Note that after Annihilation, there seemed to be some sort of Universe reboot (related to Galactus almost destroying the Ultimate universe).
Why? because some chars are alive, others are different.. others are mixed up between traits.
 

Hakunamatata

Le Meh
Premium Member
what are you talking about for two suprises? use spoiler tags if necessary :)
I was wondering the same thing. I recall seeing....
Howard the Duck

..... but I don't recall seeing any other, unless it was hidden somewhere in the

Collectors mass of damaged displays
....

which is the reason I can't wait for the movie to come out on blue ray so I can pause and scan the scenes.
 

NMBC1993

Well-Known Member
Just got back from watching GoG in 3D and here's my thoughts (the title kind of gives it away :D )

I will admit, prior to this week I had no interest at all in seeing GoG. I have no history (even passing) with the source material, so no desire there. After seeing the trailer and teaser stuff when they were released... I was torn on what the film was trying to be. The sequences shown didn't really leave me with any desire at all to find out more. The lead-in marketing was a complete DUD for me.

But this week after some people had seen it, spoke well of it, and even made comparisons to Avengers.. even saying topping Avengers. That peaked my interest. I think Avengers is an illustration of the peak of the modern super hero film. From the moving soundtrack, the scale, the pace, the visuals, the dabs of humor, the balance of comic suspension of belief... The Avengers does it all.. and does it well. That hero theme from the battle of NYC is just quintessential super hero stuff. It's the kind of blend of sound and staging that whenever you hear it.. it tickles you and you feel a bit superhero yourself. Like the Superman theme from the 80s films.. or those other inspiring John Williams soundtracks. It just inspires a feeling and click in your brain. So.. you think GoG has that? I'm interested.

First... do not let the fact you have zero idea what the premise of the film is, or who these characters or, etc distract you at all. You need ZERO background of anything Marvel to enjoy this film. In fact, you need more 80s pop knowledge than anything Marvel to get all the gags.

The movie does a great job of introducing you to the characters without boring you with flashbacks or spending time focusing on trying to beat into you 'hey, this is why this guy is here'. They do a respectable job of qualifying each character and their behaviors 'on the fly' without derailing the main track the film is heading down.

Some of the gags are a bit 'old game'.. like Groot's speech (Hodor!) but its not to the point of annoying.

Music
People had made comments about the soundtrack.. and how the music is almost a 6th character in the film. Bleh to that. Without giving away the film... the music played is often Pop tracks of significance to the main character. I love the story tie in here... but really didn't find the pop tracks all that stirring or core to the staging of the action. The lone exception to that is in the climatic battle when they face the bad guy.. and the track inclusion really plays to the comedy of the scene. That and in the credits the Jackson 5 song works out well. But the rest of the film? Meh... want a contemporary track to add punch to the film? Think at the end of the Matrix when Rage starts up.. that's powerful.

Outside the pop tracks... the film has a score that is very reminiscent of Avengers at times.. and it plays well. I think it sounds great.. I just think the 'music as a 6th character' kind of lines are way over blown.

Visuals
The visuals in the film are amazing. It's fun because some of the scenes feel like the classic huge matte paintings of classic sci-fi... yet others have the impossible realism that you only get with modern CGI. The film blends the effects, CGI, and settings perfectly. The only thing I found a bit distracting was Quinn's mask.. but it's minor thing. Overall I think the effects do exactly as they should.. advance the wow factor, make it all look real, all while not trying to be the lead character itself.

There are a few seconds of 'extra 3D to be 3D' but not too much and not overwhelming. The film looked great and I would probably feel a bit robbed without the 3D.

It doesn't matter what form you put Zoe Saldana in.. she looks amazing. It's not over the top like Black Widow in the Avengers.. but its near impossible to hide her sexy.

Characters
The characters (and famous names) in the film are vast and varied. I found most of them interesting and fun and while I'm no Academy critic... I found most of the acting transparent and did what I want it to do.. which is fade into believable. The only part where it gets a bit corny is in the "I have a plan" scene where the 5 characters discuss their plan (or lack of) of attack. Quinn's acting in there made me turn my nose a bit.

Plot/Pacing
Now where this movie excels IMO is the pace and action. It keeps you engaged and you feel like you are along for a hell of a ride. It slows a bit prior and after the climax.. but after the ride you've been on you almost need a breather! But it's not overload.. it's just nearly two hours of "I don't want to look away and miss something!". This is where I think some of the Avengers comparisons come in too.. the movie is PACKED with action sequences.. and unlike Captain America 2 which resorts to the 'lets move the camera around so much so you can't keep track of anything during fight shots' this film's action sequences are so much more enjoyable to watch.

I don't want to say much about the story except I bought in. It felt good, it didn't make me cringe, and it had sufficient twists that I didn't bore of anything. It does have some tear jerker moments. My 11yr old put it as... "it made you happy, sad, cry, and excited all at the same time!"

So what kind of film is this?
Going in, being Marvel and knowing it's comic universe based I was expecting another super hero film like a Thor, Iron Man, etc. But walking out of the theater it really didn't feel like one. It actually felt more like a Science Fiction action film more than anything related to comic books. It feels closer to a Star Wars or Last Starfighter than it does an Iron Man or Superman film.

Not that the movie plays out like Star Wars in any sense.. but in terms of what kind of audience appeal.. I said "its like a supercharged star wars". Way more action, a lot more sci-fi, but not nerdy sci-fi, so it would still have broad appeal. The movie has violence, but it's mostly bloodless violence and while there is some anger/spiteful kind of actions at time, I don't think its anywhere near as bad as Captain America 2 and falls more in line with what you get from an X-Men or Iron Man film. I didn't have any problem at all with what my 11yr old saw. Some of the jokes are a tad pg-13, but nothing more than you might see on network TV these days. I hope people give this film a chance and don't pigeon hole it as a 'super hero film' and then not want to see it. It's not a Rambo.. it's not X-Men.. It's not Star Trek. Maybe the JJ Abrams Star Trek might be the closest parallel give the pace and action Star Trek packed.

Overal Grade?
I think this is a MUST SEE for anyone who enjoys any sort of action film and isn't only interested in dramas or romance films. It's memorable.. its fun.. its amazing to watch.. and it's just the kind of film that makes you ENJOY going to the movies. You don't second guess what you just paid to see it, you don't say "well I'll wait for the DVD...", it makes you think "when am I going to come and see this again?". It's good... no, it's great.

I'd give it 4.75 out of 5 stars. I hope people give it a chance.. it's a great fun movie.


OK, So I have a question for you...

When you say The Avengers has "dabs of humor", do you mean the entire film? Because, to me that's all The Avengers is..one big banter fest where no one takes anything serious. I don't think it's fair for you to compare GotG to something like X-Men (at least Days of Future Past anyway). DoFP was a meaningful film that showed the consiquences we face when changing our future. Heck they had Peter Dinklage in it and not ONCE did they take a stab at him being short. They made Wolverine the straight man, sure there were some jokes in the film (mostly from Quicksilver) but knew when to switch gears and take itself serious along with moments of deep tension. The Avengers NEVER knew when to take something serious, so much so that they should just have RDJ do motion capture for all the other actors (since they all try to act like him). Even Hulk, when compared to the Ed Norton version comes off as what I like to call a "comedic gorilla". There is literally a scene where Hulk punches Thor for no reason other then to just get a cheap laugh from the audience.

As far as Captain America 2 goes, after reading your review back in April the reason I can tell that you disliked the film so much was because there was too much "real world violence" for your 11 year old to handle. Well first of all you do realize it's rated "PG-13" for a reason, second of all I applaud any film that presents a scenario that could happen in the real world, present something to make the audience think, to open up the eyes of the audience members who can't comprehend plot past the banter and explosions (I'm not saying your one of those people). That scene with Nick Fury, talk about tension! WS actually gave back story to the villains (unlike Avengers) and conflict within themselves to do the right thing.

From the reviews I've seen of GotG, it's more on par with Thor 2. The villain is as forgettable as Malekith was, his whole plan is to find the MacGuffin of MacGuffiness and if it wasn't for again the comedy, this film would be your standard CGI fest.

I do not mean to beat you up like this, everyone is entitled to their own opinion when it comes to film. I just get upset with all the people out there who say "Wow, Marvel finally made a comedy film!" when in my eyes, they've been doing it since 2012. But I do want to thank you as well, your review has reassured me that I would end up hating this film and I should just save my money for The Hobbit.

Batman v. Superman, X-Men: Apocalypse, and Capt. 3 can't get here any faster...
 
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Disneyfanman

Well-Known Member
OK, So I have a question for you...

When you say The Avengers has "dabs of humor", do you mean the entire film? Because, to me that's all The Avengers is..one big banter fest where no one takes anything serious. I don't think it's fair for you to compare GotG to something like X-Men (at least Days of Future Past anyway). DoFP was a meaningful film that showed the consiquences we face when changing our future. Heck they had Peter Dinklage in it and not ONCE did they take a stab at him being short. They made Wolverine the straight man, sure there were some jokes in the film (mostly from Quicksilver) but knew when to switch gears and take itself serious along with moments of deep tension. The Avengers NEVER knew when to take something serious, so much so that they should just have RDJ do motion capture for all the other actors (since they all try to act like him). Even Hulk, when compared to the Ed Norton version comes off as what I like to call a "comedic gorilla". There is literally a scene where Hulk punches Thor for no reason other then to just get a cheap laugh from the audience.

As far as Captain America 2 goes, after reading your review back in April the reason I can tell that you disliked the film so much was because there was too much "real world violence" for your 11 year old to handle. Well first of all you do realize it's rated "PG-13" for a reason, second of all I applaud any film that presents a scenario that could happen in the real world, present something to make the audience think, to open up the eyes of the audience members who can't comprehend plot past the banter and explosions (I'm not saying your one of those people). That scene with Nick Fury, talk about tension! WS actually gave back story to the villains (unlike Avengers) and conflict within themselves to do the right thing.

From the reviews I've seen of GotG, it's more on par with Thor 2. The villain is as forgettable as Malekith was, his whole plan is to find the MacGuffin of MacGuffiness and if it wasn't for again the comedy, this film would be your standard CGI fest.

I do not mean to beat you up like this, everyone is entitled to their own opinion when it comes to film. I just get upset with all the people out there who say "Wow, Marvel finally made a comedy film!" when in my eyes, they've been doing it since 2012. But I do want to thank you as well, your review has reassured me that I would end up hating this film and I should just save my money for The Hobbit.

Batman v. Superman, X-Men: Apocalypse, and Capt. 3 can't get here any faster...
Thor 2 bored me. I loved GOTG. You might want to give it a chance.
 

NMBC1993

Well-Known Member
Thor 2 bored me. I loved GOTG. You might want to give it a chance.

First of all, I want to thank you for not being the typical person who says "What do you mean The Avengers sucked!!??" that I usually deal with. Second of all, I was using Thor 2 mostly to describe the villain in GotG. Because from what I've been hearing, he's pretty thin, story wise.

As much as I'd like to give this film a chance, I'm getting tired of paying a theater $9-$15 just to end up walking out of the theater angry. This has been the case for 3 out of the last 4 Disney/Marvel films I've seen. I know the general audience loves seeing Hulk throw Loki around and have RDJ make some snarky remark, but like Ariel in Little Mermaid "I Want Moorreee!"

In today's movie world, where they can take a concept like apes on horses and have it not only make sense but tie it into a compelling story, I wonder why Marvel can't do the same? Other than Winter Soldier, I have yet to see Marvel "push the envelope" in Phase 2, make us feel emotions, tension, etc. They're too busy trying to crack jokes and dumbing things down for families, well I'm sorry but if a movie needs comedy as a crutch to make it through, then it's not that great of a movie.

I appreciate your words of encouragement, but I don't have it in me to sit through another Marvel film that has nothing to say and tries to get by on pointless comedy. Some may think I hate comedy in Superhero films, I do not I just wish Marvel knew when to stop with the jokes, and focus on the plot. People often wonder why the academy doesn't take Superhero movies seriously. How can they, when the filmmakers can't?
 
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flynnibus

Premium Member
Original Poster
OK, So I have a question for you...

When you say The Avengers has "dabs of humor", do you mean the entire film? Because, to me that's all The Avengers is..one big banter fest where no one takes anything serious.

Maybe you'd lighten up.. you'd be able to digest the difference between comedy and a comedy film.

I don't think it's fair for you to compare GotG to something like X-Men (at least Days of Future Past anyway). DoFP was a meaningful film that showed the consiquences we face when changing our future

Ok, seems like you'd like to take plot lines and inspirations and turn these films into artistic statements about humanity. They aren't. They aren't trying to make history or change humanity.

Heck they had Peter Dinklage in it and not ONCE did they take a stab at him being short. They made Wolverine the straight man, sure there were some jokes in the film (mostly from Quicksilver) but knew when to switch gears and take itself serious along with moments of deep tension

It's a freaking super hero film - nothing is taken serious. You want to see something serious? Watch freaking Platoon... or the realism put into the D-Day sequence of Saving Private Ryan. That's serious. The clique "they must be stopped!!" or "the machines will rule us all!" are not poetic efforts by the writers to show us the error of our ways before it's too late.

The whole RFK stadium stuff?? And you talk about a film trying to be serious? Or the whole underground complex in Capt2?

You confuse using relevancy with making a statement.

The Avengers NEVER knew when to take something serious, so much so that they should just have RDJ do motion capture for all the other actors (since they all try to act like him). Even Hulk, when compared to the Ed Norton version comes off as what I like to call a "comedic gorilla". There is literally a scene where Hulk punches Thor for no reason other then to just get a cheap laugh from the audience.

And I have no issue with that... Its a COMIC BOOK MOVIE. Something made to entertain, not spur deep thought. I know all about the history of comics and trying to address adult topics, etc... but that has never made the comic lines about education or changing the world.

As far as Captain America 2 goes, after reading your review back in April the reason I can tell that you disliked the film so much was because there was too much "real world violence" for your 11 year old to handle

Thanks Dr Freud. No, I disliked the violence because I thought it was gratuitous and unnecessary.. especially given the target audience. At the end of the day, this is a PRODUCT, and my statement was I felt the film strayed from what I think should be it's target... for stuff that really added little. IMO a Captain America film should not be a gritty war film trying to paint the horrors of war.

It's like horror movies trying to outdo each other with how gory they can be. You can scare the bejesus out of people without having to try to realistically show someone getting their head sawed off.

From the reviews I've seen of GotG, it's more on par with Thor 2. The villain is as forgettable as Malekith was, his whole plan is to find the MacGuffin of MacGuffiness and if it wasn't for again the comedy, this film would be your standard CGI fest.

No

Because from what I've been hearing, he's pretty thin, story wise.

As much as I'd like to give this film a chance, I'm getting tired of paying a theater $9-$15 just to end up walking out of the theater angry. This has been the case for 3 out of the last 4 Disney/Marvel films I've seen.

If a movie is making you angry - then I think you are taking yourself WAY too seriously.

In today's movie world, where they can take a concept like apes on horses and have it not only make sense but tie it into a compelling story, I wonder why Marvel can't do the same? Other than Winter Soldier, I have yet to see Marvel "push the envelope", make us feel emotions, tension, etc. They're too busy trying to crack jokes and dumbing things down for families, well I'm sorry but if a movie needs comedy as a crutch to make it through, then it's not that great of a movie.

Do you hate comedy that much? Do you refuse to watch a great film like the Blues Brothers because... they do some stuff for comedy?

Some may think I hate comedy in Superhero films, I do not I just wish Marvel knew when to stop with the jokes, and focus on the plot. People often wonder why the academy doesn't take Superhero movies seriously. How can they, when the filmmakers can't?
. there is more than one type of movie genre out there. Stop clenching because someone went for the uplift instead of the dark 'we put off the inevitable for one more day'
 

Matt_Black

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When you say The Avengers has "dabs of humor", do you mean the entire film? Because, to me that's all The Avengers is..one big banter fest where no one takes anything serious.

Yeah, remember how everyone was quipping and laughing after Coulson got stabbed by Loki? And how hilarious it was when Fury threw the blood-stained trading cards on the table? LAUGH RIOT.
 

flynnibus

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And I can assure you.. there are plenty of moments in GoG where people are CRYING... and not because its all slapstick comedy.

But NMBC1993 might be too busy making diamonds out of coal to take notice.
 

NMBC1993

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Yeah, remember how everyone was quipping and laughing after Coulson got stabbed by Loki? And how hilarious it was when Fury threw the blood-stained trading cards on the table? LAUGH RIOT.

Yeah, and remember Coulson's "final words" right after he gets stabbed? (not to mention 85% of the dialog in that clip leading up to his death)...



This is what I'm talking about...even during a scene where there should be emotion, they have to squeeze in that one last zinger before he dies.
 

AllyInWonderland

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what are you talking about for two suprises? use spoiler tags if necessary :)
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NMBC1993

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It's a freaking super hero film - nothing is taken serious.

Its a COMIC BOOK MOVIE. Something made to entertain, not spur deep thought. I know all about the history of comics and trying to address adult topics, etc... but that has never made the comic lines about education or changing the world.

At the end of the day, this is a PRODUCT

And that, right there I think is the reason we disagree. You seem to have it set in your mind that comic book movies can ONLY be that, a PRODUCT. Something that is only created only to entertain and rake in millions without ever being anything more than that. Well I'm sorry but what rule is there that says it can only be a certain way? Why can't they try and branch out and try to be something more than just hours of mindless action scenes? What about something like Rise of the Planet of the Apes? Should that not try to be anything more then apes shooting guns? The Nolan Batman series, should that just try to imitate the Adam West show and be nothing more? Heck, even The Incredible Hulk added that extra layer to make their main character someone you can sympathize with, being saddled with this curse.

I assume you only see Pixar films as a product as well? There just harmless kid's films, right? No, Pixar has always tried to put a hidden message in their films. That's what I love about them. They aren't content with just bringing in famous voice actors to do lines and make pop-culture references.

Do you hate comedy that much? Do you refuse to watch a great film like the Blues Brothers because... they do some stuff for comedy?

Actually no, I am a huge fan of comedies. Some of my favorites include Attack the Block, Clerks 1 & 2, Hot Fuzz, Shaun of the Dead, The World's End, Almost Heroes, Pirate Radio, Happy Gilmore, Murder By Death, Baseketball, Chasing Amy, The Producers, and Waiting...just to name a few.

What I do have a problem with is when a movie is not up-front with what is going to be the final product. Here's an example..

Trailer for Blues Brothers -


Trailer for The Avengers -


Did you notice the difference? The Blues Brothers right off the bat didn't try to sell itself as anything more than what it is...a comedy. Now look at The Avengers trailer, when I see that trailer I see an "In a Word", gritty, action film. No where did they have the characters doing one-liners, they weren't bantering at each other.

Now let's look at Iron Man 3 (which I feel is even more guilty in this case)


Maybe it's just me but I didn't see that Dora joke in there, or the kid sidekick, or RDJ rolling around on the ground from his PTSD, or the Manderain acting like a drunk idiot. This again, looks like a full-on dark, dramatic film. Are you staring to see where I'm coming from? They are putting out this marketing, selling the film (at least in my eyes) as something dark when in reality there's hardly any of it and if anything it's quite the opposite.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is I see comic book movies being much more then what they are. The problem, the general audience and big wigs in Hollyweird can not, nor do they want to. They're content with just making the same film over and over, as long as their making millions, why care right? Well I'm sorry but I care. Wouldn't you be more worried for Tony Stark if you knew he wouldn't survive a battle? Wouldn't that make you clench your cup holder? I know I would, but the problem is as long as their flailing around making jokes with their kid sidekicks, you can't ever take them serious. Again, I'm not looking for some mind-blowing movie with a message that changes the world, all I'm looking for is a BALANCE of comedy and drama, which is what Winter Soldier, X-Men First Class/Days of Future Past, and even Amazing Spider-Man did to an extent. But when a comic book movie won't try to push beyond the current formula, there's going to come a point where it doesn't mean anything anymore.

I hope there's no hard feelings, I truly am glad that non-comic book fans are enjoying the heroes that I grew to love in my childhood. It's really amazing to see a world where not liking comics makes you a loser;) and I'm glad you can enjoy taking your kids, and making memories for them just like when my father would do the same thing when he took me to the movies.
 
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AllyInWonderland

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Yeah, and remember Coulson's "final words" right after he gets stabbed? (not to mention 85% of the dialog in that clip leading up to his death)...



This is what I'm talking about...even during a scene where there should be emotion, they have to squeeze in that one last zinger before he dies.

While the Avengers is my favorite movie, I agree with this. This is why I'm so excited for Avengers: Age of Ultron. It's supposed to be MUCH darker and serious than the first one. Seriously, Ultron gives me the creeps! Just reading the descriptions and listening to the audio of the footage shown at Comic Con gave me chills! :eek:
 

SosoDude

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Maybe you'd lighten up.. you'd be able to digest the difference between comedy and a comedy film.



Ok, seems like you'd like to take plot lines and inspirations and turn these films into artistic statements about humanity. They aren't. They aren't trying to make history or change humanity.



It's a freaking super hero film - nothing is taken serious. You want to see something serious? Watch freaking Platoon... or the realism put into the D-Day sequence of Saving Private Ryan. That's serious. The clique "they must be stopped!!" or "the machines will rule us all!" are not poetic efforts by the writers to show us the error of our ways before it's too late.

The whole RFK stadium stuff?? And you talk about a film trying to be serious? Or the whole underground complex in Capt2?

You confuse using relevancy with making a statement.



And I have no issue with that... Its a COMIC BOOK MOVIE. Something made to entertain, not spur deep thought. I know all about the history of comics and trying to address adult topics, etc... but that has never made the comic lines about education or changing the world.



Thanks Dr Freud. No, I disliked the violence because I thought it was gratuitous and unnecessary.. especially given the target audience. At the end of the day, this is a PRODUCT, and my statement was I felt the film strayed from what I think should be it's target... for stuff that really added little. IMO a Captain America film should not be a gritty war film trying to paint the horrors of war.

It's like horror movies trying to outdo each other with how gory they can be. You can scare the bejesus out of people without having to try to realistically show someone getting their head sawed off.



No



If a movie is making you angry - then I think you are taking yourself WAY too seriously.



Do you hate comedy that much? Do you refuse to watch a great film like the Blues Brothers because... they do some stuff for comedy?


Jesus man.. there is more than one type of movie genre out there. Stop clenching because someone went for the uplift instead of the dark 'we put off the inevitable for one more day'

I agree with your every reply, flynn. Just wanted to let you know.
 

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