nerdboyrockstar
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Eh, that's about as many people that get to do Peter Pan in a 12-hour day. it could be worse.
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Eh, that's about as many people that get to do Peter Pan in a 12-hour day. it could be worse.
TP2000
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But Peter Pan has been there for 61 years.
Filby61
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Exactly.
Ironically, one of the most commonly heard defenses of today's Disney theme park mis-management is a citation of something from Disneyland c.1955. It proves the point that management spent the first 30 years of Disney theme parks writing the book of how to do it right, and the last 30 years burning the book.
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Disney wrote the rule book, therefore it is able to rewrite it however it chooses.
First the black Elsa had some people "baffled", then the hour long runtime had others "concerned", yet through this entire thread not one person has taken into account that perhaps all or some of the rumors might turn out to not be true or pan out differently.
How about we let the show open before passing judgement about the final cast, pee logistics, and rule book burning?
Filby61
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That statement ignores the reality that the management culture in the first 30 years of Disney theme parks bears no relationship to that of the last 30 years, and especially not to the "Disney" of today.
It also begs the question of why Disney Parks' revolving-door management continually ignores the collective knowledge of its predecessors and makes boneheaded decisions as a result.
No, for two reasons: first, Disney management's behavior has not earned the trust of a wait-and-see attitude; and second, "don't judge the new [name of ride, restaurant, show or parade] until you've seen it," and its corollary, "don't judge it from a video until you've seen it in person," are among the oldest and most specious defenses of Disney management. They've been trotted out ad nauseum since Al Lutz posted his first complaints on Usenet about the mismanagement of Disneyland. They were a constant chant of Disney's defenders during the early days of Paul Pressler, and again when the disastrous DCA 1.0 was being built. Nearly two decades on, they are fanboy favorites for the defense of the Chapek regime.
The sorry record of Disney P&R's management suggests that it is their responsibility to prove to the customers that a new offering isn't low quality and poor value wrapped in a smokescreen of PR hype. Until they do, a consumer attitude of skepticism and doubt is entirely appropriate.
Disney has more than earned it.
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Old Mouseketeer
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Except there IS a black Elsa and an hour-plus runtime and a lot more. These have been corroborated by multiple sources, including my rebel spies. Too many people saw the audition notice for performers "regardless of ethnicity" (known as "blind casting" in the industry).
The production is running behind. The press preview on Wednesday and the opening on Friday are risky. By all accounts I've heard, the design and technology are extremely promising. It's the execution and timing that are suspect.
And the fact that a "Broadway-style theater" doesn't have restrooms on all three levels is a undisputed.
No Bothans were harmed in delivering this information.
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FerretAfros
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Yes, but Peter Pan operates with just 2 attractions CMs who make near-minimum wage (and possibly a maintenance guy who stops by for a while overnight when making his rounds)
Compare that to a large-scale theater production that will likely have a half-dozen highly paid leads, about 15-20 moderately-well paid ensemble performers, another 15-20 moderately-well paid folks on the stage crew/tech positions, and a small army of near-minimum wage ushers for crowd control and cleaning.
Given how budget-conscious Disney has been since Chapek took over, how does these operating expenses make any sense? And that's not even accounting for the costs associated with getting a new production off the ground
I can see how selling food and drinks might make sense to an accountant in this situation, but given that it will only slow down the turnover time and dramatically increase the cleaning/maintenance costs, it seems to be yet another terribly misguided step. DC's Metro is strapped for cash (in addition to a litany of other problems ranging from broken escalators to gross negligence) yet even they know better than to abandon their long-established ban on food & drink, since they know that it will create many more problems than it could solve. Yet another example of people making decisions based on how it looks in a spreadsheet, without considering the operational realities of it
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^^ Why should DLR guests care about any of that?
Stevek
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But for folks who's lives revolve entirely around Disney, the sky is always fallingThat still doesn't mean that the sky is falling, which is my point.
Curious Constance
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Regardless of how this show starts out, rocky or wonderful, I think once all the kinks are worked out, it's going to be super good and really popular.
Stevek
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My guess is that DLR guests will care about it if they feel that the expense of the show is impacting what they could have been getting by spending that money someplace else...because nobody is ever happy as you well know. People have to see this show and the expense of making it just as they would a ride or attraction. It will drive attendance and Disney isn't going to put this show on unless they feel they will profit from it. I don't remember people complaining about the expense of running Aladdin or Blast for the first 15 years DCA was open either.
Stevek
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It will be incredibly popular from day one, even with the Frozen haters that have to be the first ones in line to see something they hate...because, it's all about being first ya know.
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GiveMeTheMusic
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Three shows a day is not enough to meet demand. The FPs will sell out very quickly each day, leading to a lot of frustrated guests. Now it may NOT pan out that way, but based on decades of Disney park ops, it seems likely.
The show is progressing however, and everyone has their fingers crossed for a smooth press opening. I can't wait to see it!
The show is progressing however, and everyone has their fingers crossed for a smooth press opening. I can't wait to see it!
Curious Constance
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That's what I was thinking.
GiveMeTheMusic
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The "only one cast ready" thing cannot be true. One cast cannot do 3 shows a day, 7 days a week. There has to be more than one whole cast ready to perform. The entire rotation of people may not be rehearsed up and ready to go, but it can't just be one cast.
Curious Constance
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I wasn't necessarily thinking just one cast is ready to go, but they might not be operating with a full/ideal cast either. They may be starting at three to see how it goes and to start slowly at first. Then once they get a feel for demand, ideal time between shows, and they have all staff fully trained, then they can start expanding to more shows per day.