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For the dudes sitting as a lady stands...

Discussion in 'Ground & Air Transportation' started by Osh Popham, Jun 12, 2017.

  1. Delgado

    Delgado Member

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    Why does there have to be a "what if"? What if someone is lying about being injured, what if the stroller is full of crap from the parks, what if the child isn't sleeping but could stand themselves.
    As a society we're so worried about justifying our actions because of what others are doing or not doing.
    How about if you're physically capable just let someone else sit. Man or woman. Young or old. No you don't have to at all but if you're feeling up to it spread a little kindness.
    After all, the guy with the stroller full of park souvenirs that you think needs to unfold i or put his kid in it, spent 300 dollars on his tantrum throwing kid who refuses to walk when his feet hurt just as bad as everyone else's. Or he just had a really good day. Don't worry about his stroller or his bags.
    I'm just saying stop worrying about everyone else and do what you can and what you feel to be right and kind.
     
  2. Andrew C

    Andrew C You know what's funny? Premium Member

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    A reasonable post that is sure to offend people even so! lol
     
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  3. jaklgreen

    jaklgreen Well-Known Member

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    My daughter and I had just missed the monorail and where waiting for the next. This was at Epcot so we were waiting in one of the "zones" for the next one. I have a foot issue so I was leaning against the railing on the side giving my foot a rest. Right before the monorail comes, this man with his son (around 11 years old) walk up and start to crowd us in. As soon as the door open, those of us who had been waiting started to walk in, well the son pushes past us to grab a spot on the seat and trying to save a spot for dad. Well I sat my butt down but my daughter did not get a spot. The dad and son pulled out some Mickey waffles that had been in their backpack since the morning(it was late afternoon) and started to eat them. I am sorry, but you don't send your kid to physically push people out of the way so that your fat butts can sit and eat on the monorail.
     
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  4. NormC

    NormC Well-Known Member

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    I always offer my seat to anyone that appears to need it more than I do. My daughters do the same. It is just common courtesy. You just might make someones day better.
     
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  5. John park hopper

    John park hopper Active Member

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    I was raised to hold doors and offer my seat to the elderly, a woman with a baby and the physically handicapped . IMHOP the level of civility has greatly declined over the years. The "me first" attitude and the heck with any body else seems to be way to prevalent.
     
  6. KeithVH

    KeithVH Well-Known Member

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    Way too much angst and overthinking here. Let me put it in terms most of you should understand. Offering up one's seat (or doing a myriad number of other things) is something a gentleman does. It is that simple. Four pages of discussion about it doesn't really show anything more than our current society's bastardized effect on the typical individual's thought process. This kind of discussion wouldn't have happened when I was younger, the answer is just obvious. So what, the world has changed. That doesn't mean our human concept of manners has.
     
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  7. rob0519

    rob0519 Well-Known Member

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    Well, we've all seen or experienced similar behavior, but would it have been any more acceptable to push people out of the way if the perpetrators did not have fat butts or were not eating? ;)
     
  8. DisneyBound2017

    DisneyBound2017 Well-Known Member

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    This. Why does it matter who takes the seat? If you're able bodied, stand up and let someone else sit. If another able bodied person sits in the seat instead of someone you deem "worthy" then that's on them.

    You cannot see a vast number of injuries or handicaps. To give your seat to a woman because she was born with ovaries but then to assume a guy with a bum leg is faking it is ridiculous.
     
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  9. jaklgreen

    jaklgreen Well-Known Member

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    Well , I have a fat butt but don't push anyone out of the way. And I sure as heck would not send my kid to push an older "big butt" lady and her child, that had been there before me, out of the way just so I could put my big butt down and eat on the monorail.
     
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  10. helenabear

    helenabear Well-Known Member

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    I do get slightly annoyed at young adults who do not offer seats. I did laugh to myself at a guy who offered my seat as I got up to offer it to a grandpa holding his 1yo (gosh he was cute, we had a nice chat). I laughed only because the guy didn't even see the baby really but as soon as I stood up he thought to offer. Yes I'm a woman, and no I don't mind. My youngest is 9yo now and needs to learn to stand. I'm good with public transport and say as much. I'd rather not give up my spot to sit truly.

    I wish there could be a little more kindness in this world like that. If you are able and you see someone who looks like they need a seat, offer it. Don't sit there on your phone texting (not saying all do, I just saw it a few times and rolled my eyes).
     
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  11. carriebeth

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    As a woman who is truly very fit, tone, muscular (I work out hard for 2 hours a day everyday) and able bodied I can't imagine any woman ever taking an offer of kindness such as an offer of a seat as an insult or as someone underestimating my strength or ability as a woman. The number or times someone would feel this way would be so remote and unlikely that its a pretty flimsy excuse for not being a kind gentleman and just offering your seat or holding a door or whatever. Its just a fact that even though I am considerably strong for a woman, most if not all overweight unfit men or skinny scrawny lanky men are still going to be stronger than I am just because they are men. Although its not so much applicable as far as giving up a seat, as that isn't so much a matter of pure strength, it would be just plain ridiculous for me to get offended if a man ever offered me assistance with some matter that required strength because men are just stronger...its just biology. And if you think that the fact that times have changed means men should no longer have to offer a seat etc...well one reason times have changed is that too many people think its no longer important to have manners and show kindness allowing the world be become a ruder more uncaring place and more people to think such is just acceptable.

    Now I will choose to stand if there is ever a chance a bus will be full because I feel there will always be some child, woman or man who is less capable than I or just more tired than I am who would appreciate a seat. I can tell you, though, there have been many times when I was obviously pregnant and holding another small child or baby and not even offered a seat or carrying a sleeping child and not offered a seat. Once I had two sleeping children, one draped over each of my shoulders and boarded a bus. After no one offered to get up I said "I am sorry but I am not going to be able to stand and hold both of these sleeping children" and was still ignored by everyone in a seat. I set the older of the two on the floor by my feet and it was only when she began crying having been awakened and set on the floor that someone rather begrudgingly got up so I could have the seat. That is definitely no longer a matter of feminism or anything else...its a matter of poor manners and an inability to have some fellow feeling or empathy for others.
     
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  12. Gabe1

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    I am a female now into my AARP years. I in a heartbeat will give up my seat to a parent with a small kid or an elderly guest. Still I have seen others both male and female not. For those that are wired for common courtesy it is a given, for those wired for it is entitlement not so much. My son a 20 something always pops up for those who should be sitting. Just how we were raised and how I raised him to be.
     
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  13. Trisha Lynn

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    Yes, and they are also what a lady does. Also a woman, a dame, a broad, a gal, and a chick. Even sluts and ******* can offer up their seats if someone requests it or they're feeling generous to someone who doesn't.

    Yes, if I don't think I need it at the time. Like, if I'm nearing my stop on public transit, I'll offer up my seat, I'll get up one stop earlier and offer as I start maneuvering towards the nearest/best exit.

    Hah! Tell that to all the dudes who manspread. Sitting in such a way is the least manly thing I think a dude could do.

    And speaking of the social contact, it gets weirdly complicated for me these days if it's a day where I have to use my cane or walking boot. Because I live in Minnesota where we have airlock-type entrances, a person who opens the first door for me may find me opening the second door for them because I've now just gotten to it first before they did. This gets more fun if it's a man who's older than I am, but not by much because who in this case should go first? The slightly older man, or the younger woman with a cane/walking boot?
     
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    ninjaprincesst Well-Known Member

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    Speaking as a woman no 't give up your seat a woman person with kids , they had the same opportunity to get inline for the bus like you did, the fact that they come up at the last second is their own fault , the only people I would ever give a seat to are the elderly, they can't help being elderly, but these last minute charlies can help it.
     
  15. jaklgreen

    jaklgreen Well-Known Member

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    When I had a foot injury, I had waited for the next bus to come so that I could sit down several times. I think if you are in that situation where you will be standing and you need to sit, then just let the ones behind you go and then you will be first on the next bus so that you can sit.
     
  16. Trisha Lynn

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    That only works if you're not in a hurry and the public transit comes by often enough. Other cities/towns are not so lucky

    Also, since this year will be my first time, I have no idea about how frequently the WDW buses come during times where they're most likely to be standing room only. That might not be a good option for someone who is very foot-sore but not disabled.
     
  17. jaklgreen

    jaklgreen Well-Known Member

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    Buses average about every 20 minutes. At busier times like at park closing they come closer together. And in my case, I was only talking about the buses at WDW, not a city bus.
     
  18. Foltzy

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    While I always believe someone should give up their seat for someone injured, a child, pregnant women, or veterans, etc., that's just the way I was raised. I feel good knowing that someone needs the seat and got it because of my sacrificing. I've got stuff going for me, others might not, a seat doesn't mean squat to me.
    However, this is basically how self-centered you are. If you would enjoy the seat more than getting up and giving it to someone in need, why would they get up(even though I disagree with not getting up)
     
  19. Animaniac93-98

    Animaniac93-98 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. These threads are always started by people who never deal with public transit at home, where being packed shouder-to-shoulder in rush hour traffic makes it impossible to ensure anyone who might need a seat (like the disabled or elderly) can get one, much less all women.

    Disney's policy is to load wheelchair guests first, and then let everyone else on board in the order of who queued up first. It's the only fair and efficient option to get everyone on board short of running seperate wheelchair accessible buses.

    If you want to offer someone a seat, that's fine, but save the chivalry lecture for some other place where 30,000 people aren't trying to get back to their hotel room at the same time.
     
  20. IMFearless

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    How presumptuous to assume someone's gender in 2017!
     

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