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Fantasmic! 2.0 Rumors, Speculation, Announcments

Discussion in 'Disneyland Resort' started by Nland316, Feb 21, 2017.

  1. Nland316

    Nland316 Well-Known Member Original Poster

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    I also noticed that it looks like Ariel is still in her mermaid form in the princess medley, which is different than what insiders have said. Definitely something I'm happy with!
     
  2. Kira Nerys

    Kira Nerys Well-Known Member

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    She should be a mermaid, just not one that sounds like a drag queen like in Paint the Night. I'm also annoyed that they have the ladies wearing these flesh-colored outfits to cover their skin. Ariel is supposed to be mostly naked.
     
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    Travel Junkie Well-Known Member

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    The new cm uniforms for F! Are uh bad
     
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    mickeyfan5534 Well-Known Member

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    Pics?
     
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    The uniforms were not pleasing to the eye beforehand.
     
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    I believe DisneyIRLTV will be doing a periscope for those interested in seeing the new Fantasmic!

    https://twitter.com/DisneyIRLTV
     
  7. Kira Nerys

    Kira Nerys Well-Known Member

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    Most of the cast member are dressed badly. The best thing I can say is that female cast member rumps typically look good in the outfits, for whatever reason.
     
  8. SuddenStorm

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    Watched the live stream. Love the new effects, don't love some of the new audio, it really made me want to see the '92 iteration with the new effects.

    As far as fantasmic goes though, it's better than what Tokyo and wdw got by far.
     
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  9. bluehoodiemike

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    From watching a livestream, I liked it! I'll be honest and say it legit made me feel giddy, straight from the opening fanfare. I think the general opinion will be positive!
     
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  10. Travel Junkie

    Travel Junkie Well-Known Member

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    Quick review. F! Was my favorite nighttime spectacular and it still is. Tech upgrades are great and overall still an excellent show. Minor qualms. Vocals are worse. Prefer Peter Pan to pirates sequence. The show is more upbeat and modern. Some who like classic Disney maybe disappointed in some of the choices.

    Overall I like the new one better
     
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    Donaldfan1934 Well-Known Member

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    After watching a video of it on YouTube, I can say that the refurbishment was a massive improvement on a technical level. But even though I do think the show has best effects any version of the show has ever had, I can't say it's an all around superior version. While I wouldn't say Disney ruined it, I would say major structural damage was caused in certain parts. They pretty much changed things just to change things. There are so many changes, I have to break it down scene by scene to describe how I feel about it.

    The First major issue is that Mickey comes out way before his musical cue. It really diminishes the impact. Second major issue is that almost everything from the score to Mickey Mouse's dialogue has been unnecessarily rerecorded with a quality noticeably lower than the pitch perfect original. Because of this, the whole show never feels as right as it should. That isn't to say there weren't changes that I like. Combining the Lion King and Jungle Book scenes worked out well enough and the Genie replacement for the Pinocchio scene is probably the best and most proper feeling change in the whole show. But then there's the PotC scene on the Columbia which I knew I would like less than Peter Pan due to the latter being an inherently better IP for the show tonally speaking. After that is the Whole New World section which I feel is a little tacked on and would've been better if audio of Aladdin and Jasmine singing to each other was in place instead of a singer who sounds a bit over the top for what the scene should be. Another poor change is Rapunzel in place of Snow White in the Princess scene. I'm not against Rapunzel being in the show, but I feel the flow of the scene is broken. However, the absolute worst change in the show is the transition to the Villain section of the show. Instead of the Queen talking to the magic mirror and transforming into the witch, it's now Mickey for some strange reason. The witch still shows up after this, but the villainous buildup of that scene is completely destroyed. The show from here on out is pretty much the same aside from the unnecessarily rerecorded audio that I mentioned earlier.

    All in all, I still think that Fantasmic! is a solid show and looks better than ever, but like a lot of things in Disney today, unnecessary modernizations hurt the final project. If it were up to me, I would've updated the effects in a similar fashion, but changed the actual content in very few ways. I do think there's a reason the original 1992 version of Fantasmic! is widely considered to be the best version around the world. Sadly, it appears Disney didn't learn why and turned it into something that suffers from a lot of the same issues as its clones but to a greater extent in some respects.
     
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  12. SuddenStorm

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    Great write up! I agree with everything said. The new technology certainly impresses, I was blown away watching it on a 15 inch laptop screen, but I don't think a lot of the segments are stronger than the original. I'll miss the original intro, Pan segment, and princess medley vocals- the other changes I think are decently executed, but I wish I could see the original show, with this new technology- it would likely bring me to tears.
     
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    I honestly think we're just too familiar with the '92 version. On first listen I hated the new Tangled vocals, but after a few more listens and comparisons with the original, I'm liking the change. I don't miss much from the original vision that isn't in the new.
     
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    The only two things I would change:

    1) Evil Queen's transformation back in.

    2) Don't have Mickey on top of the mill until the grand finale, giving away your ace far too early.

    Otherwise I am pretty pleased with all the changes they made! Good work.
     
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    Bingo. This show attempts to use all available effects, at all times- which looks amazing but might lower the dramatic effect of both the intro and finale. If you use everything you got for every segment, how can you go any higher?
     
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    The new vocals are definitely Heather Headley who done the vocals for the World of Color Winter shows
     
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    Love and hate. It suffers from what a lot of new entertainment suffers from. The need to "overstimulate" I feel Disney feels 1) we spent the money on the technology so we're going to use it non stop, and 2) people MUST be assaulted at all times with as much visual stimulation as possible. There are so few "quiet" moments in the show to catch your breath that it all just literally "explodes" for a little while then is gone. Do NOT like the new intro. Again, it's all effects the we have almost from the first note. The old had this quiet, dark build to the "wow" musical explosion. You were literally standing in the dark waiting...wondering. The same for the transition at the end. Dragon is slain, smoke begins to clear, its dark except for a few strobes that build in qty and intensity as the music begins to build. The sparkling pyro on twain made sense as it was an extension of the strobes. Now it's color, light, moving lights, smoke and no "clearing the plate" before desert. It's like dumping a scoop of ice cream on top of the left over meat loaf that still sitting on your plate. The ice cream is great, but you needed a clean break to really enjoy it. I do like the new tech when it adds. Like genie (felt Pinocchio dragged in old) princess segment ending seems clunky now "see the light" seems a bit too long. Hate pirates segment. Totallly changes tone and visual style. Too much reliance on mist projection and almost too much "nightmare" that early in the show and that with the skeleton projection mapping not working. Overall seems like a LOT of money for some wonderful upgrades that are overused and in the process give no real net gain.
     
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    I love Heather Headley's voice. She sang the theme from Golden Dreams at DCA.
     
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    What everyone else has said, basically. Overall I'm impressed! This is coming from someone who hates WoC, HEA and DLF and thinks the original Fantasmic is untouchable. There were some nice, dazzling effects, and while I don't care for the new soloist, I love the new arrangement of the score. Brett has clearly been working on his Mickey voice, and sounds better than he has before. Also, it sounds like they cut down the opening announcement, but in a way that I think improves it.

    Some criticisms I haven't seen noted yet:
    - I could do without the projection mapping business before the opening chord.

    - The flower section suffers from the new singing. It used to sound ethereal and like a lullaby, and now it just sounds like an excited amateur who got a gig singing the Star Spangled Banner at a high-profile sporting event.

    - I like the new monkey mix, but the transition into it is awkward. I hate cheap uses of "Nants ingonyama (etc)."

    - The princess section is okay, but drags. What happened to the Fantasmic theme strings floating above "Part of Your World"?!?

    - I will miss Tony Jay's mirror most of all. The Corey Burton mirror just won't be the same.

    - I'm so tired of seeing the Toy Story characters on the back of the Mark Twain.

    - The original Fantasmic ended with the spotlights all "folding" in on themselves, like the whole show was sucked back into the stage and Disneyland returned to normal. It was such an awesome hard close to the show. Fast forward to 2009: Enter the GREEN NUKE. The light towers still "fold" in and go dark, but now there's a blast of pyro on the last note, contradicting the flow of the finale. The ending lost its impact for me. Now, Fantasmic!! Doesn't "fold" in on itself at all and the show now has a visually generic ending. That one hurts because it's my personal Fantasmic pet peeve.


    One more positive thing: Did you guys see how the dragon now coughs up a fireball when Mickey slays her? That was awesome.
     
  20. jrhwdw

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    ^Yup ! A little TDS in the show! Probably good that it's a little. Love that they used TDS F! Theme as the exit song.
    1 little pet peeve from me is no fire or pyro in the finale before the Mark Twain disappears. Was that just a bug from last night or is that the new version?
    Also will Ariel stay a mermaid?
     
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