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Discussion in 'WDW Parks News, Rumors and Current Events' started by TheVisionarySoul, Aug 2, 2016.
Incidentally, I had an awesome CM in early October.
It sure is insanity. It's pure insanity that the Jungle Cruise, Safaris, and GMR Cast Members aren't Equity Actors who are paid as actors should be payed. It's complete garbage and greed and a forever weakening of the WDW experience. The Jungle Cruise's aren't funny anymore because of Adventureland management's micromanaging of the Skippers spiels. But Adventureland managment can't let the Skippers be funny due to pressure from upper managment for everything to be a homogenized experiment and because the Skippers will have to be paid more if they "act" or "improv." Great Movie Ride isn't good anymore because the Cast is now told that they CANNOT act because if they act too much, they're considered actors. And actors have to be paid more. Nowadays, all these attraction's cast members are taught to spiel and only to spiel. Furthermore, if a new hire or college program kid is assigned a spieling attraction (which they are assigned at random), they will be terminated from the company rather than given another job location if they are uncomfortable speaking in front of crowds. You have a bunch of uncomfortable kids who are actively told not to act. So we can all 100% blame TDO's cheapness for your bad experiences on rides like this because it's 100% their fault, not the Cast Members working the attractions.
I believe those actors you mentioned may be Teamsters. Someone clarify that for me please?
Correct. They're not in the acting union, they're in the complete farce that is the attractions union.
Was that a SUPERSTAR in that LIMO, dodging paparazzi trying to get to a movie premier?
So if this is an attraction that relies on the operators acting , and they don't want to pay the cast members to act, they need to invest money in the actual show so that it no longer relies on acting to make it work... This is not rocket science... and for a relatively small amount of money they could freshen it up and really make it relevant without just junking it for a screen based Mickey ride...but make no mistake this park needs both.
This doesn't apply to street performers as well, right? I can't see something like Star Wars Land working without a lot of serious actors, especially if they go all-in with makeup, prosthetics, etc.
Don't a lot of CM's that work in the park at either attractions or as performers do so because they "always wanted to work at Disney"? I am all for fair wages but if you applied to work as a performer in the Disney Parks it was probably because it was something you wanted to do and not solely based on pay. I understand that people applying to work at Disney often get assigned to their roles and not necessarily their preferred position. However pay shouldn't be the excuse for "phoning in a performance" when you should know fair well what your pay would be and what the expectations are to work there when you applied.
Rope drop tower and RNRC and than leave and have your fastpass at another park. Done.
Speaking of TCM and Disney, the TCM Disney Vault programing is tonight. Just a heads up to those interested.
thanks for the reminder, I had forgotten.
This might work if we end up getting annual passes (do not really want to pay for park hopper). We have thought about making it a half day park and spend the rest of the time at the resort. My wife and I just had a baby a few months ago so that had changed how we can do the parks.
Pay is totally an excuse. You get what you pay for and if you pay less than most fast food establishments for work that is as draining as performing for upwards of 14 hours a day during peak times for a pay that should be, frankly, criminal.... I get the point you're trying to make but I cannot say that I agree! It's very different once you've started Disney on a "wink and dream" and then realize that the cast members pushing one button and then sitting silently at the Hall of Presidents make as much as those sweating their butt off over at the Jungle Cruise..
I vividly remember the first time I rode GMR but I remember the CM I had back in 2004 was alot more energetic and showed passion.
Ironic that they're called "Cast Members" then.
This might be related, but I remember the CM's that I meet back in 2006 at WDW (My second visit to WDW) we're alot more friendlier and patient. I remember most of them we're middle age but I will never forget that one female CM (Who put up the ropes for Spectromagic) I had a short talk with. She made our final night actually entertaining. I wish I got a chance to ask her name though.
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Disney, sadly, cannot keep the best people they hire anymore. In the early 2000's (or late 1990's? Someone fact check me, it all runs together!), the raise system changed to.. no one ever really getting a real raise. You used to be able to "top out" your pay and live a comfortable life on that money. But the raise system changed and management's priorities changed to not care at all about the front line cast. This, along with the price of pay not going up with the CRAZY prices of living in Orlando (which has some of the nation's worst affordable apartments on average), created an environment where many of the good people left and (now) where good Cast wisely won't stay. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of great CMs out there that are trying to change the culture. But there's a CRAZY high turnover rate now and it's because of one basic rule: You get what you pay for.
It's just as well, for if you mentioned her name, her managers might write her up for entertaining guests.
So...about that attraction shutting down...the big Chinese theater one...
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