SaveDisney.com - Mr. Disney and Mr. Gold's New Web Site

jcrb

New Member
Original Poster
(screamscape.com) Disney News - (12/8/03) Roy Disney and Stanley Gold have launched SaveDisney.com, a website “devoted to those concerned about the welfare of The Walt Disney Company”. From everything I’ve heard, this site is the real deal, so forgive the cheap look to it for the moment, since it is a brand new site. Obviously they were trying to get something online very quickly.

http://www.savedisney.com
 

DisneySaint

Well-Known Member
Not to question you personally, but rather the site itself...

Is there any way to prove that the site is, in fact, run by Disney and his associates?

If so, I'm not sure what the goal of the site is. If he's no longer with the company, then he no longer has any physical influence over it.
 

Figment1986

Well-Known Member
Thankyou for bringing this site to my attention, I have bookmarked it and will check it regulary and email him shortly...
(did that sound too much like a buisness reply??)
 

Pixie Duster

New Member
I can certainly understand your questions. The way that I look at it is that we have been unhappy with Eisner's buisness ethics for how long???? We finally have the chance as cast members, fans, shareholders, etc to really do something about it. Roy and Stan are still shareholders, I think, and besides that they have a HUGE netowrk of business associates that are connected with the Walt Disney company. Isn't it worth a shot to try and turn things around...?
 

CTXRover

Well-Known Member
I too question the credibility of the site, but I hope if it isn't real that Roy and Stan do create such a site soon. The reason I question it is for several reasons including the unprofessional look of the site (including the pictures of the two men on the top not being centered) and numerous links to websites that are no more and no less created and visited by simple fans of Disney. And for those who didn't notice, WDWmagic is NOT included :( Also, the sites linked are predominantly theme park oriented. Although theme parks are a major $$$ maker for Disney and recent concern for the Disney company, it is not the only part of the company and failing to recognize the other major areas of the company, such as ABC, ESPN, DisneyChannel, ABCFamily, the film studio, its record division, etc. just seems foolish when you're trying to stimulate a major change in the power structure at the Disney company.

Although the fans of Disney tend to be the most critical and often the most likely to recognize faults, very few on these sites have professional background in business and the inner-working of such a large corporation such as Disney. Not to put down anyone's ideas or thoughts expressed on these fan sites, but just that Disney is first and foremost a company that must, whether it seems greedy or not, turn a profit since it is a public-held company through stocks. Otherwise it would fail miserably. If Roy and Stan really want to turn the tides over at Disney and bring it back to its creative and quality eras, using fan sites as "evidence" for a change is not going to do it. Hopefully if the site is valid, it becomes more professional oriented. An entire section of one of my College English courses dealt with critiquing websites and being able to recognize credible sites for info and this one just doesn't have much to make me think its credible, that's all.
 

COProgressFan

Well-Known Member
I agree, the quality of the site doesn't look that great, but a quick WHOIS search online shows the the savedisney.com domain was registered to to Shamrock Holdings (the company Roy Disney and Gold are involved with) on December 1st. So it's legit.

CoP
 
As I see it

As far as if this site is real or not it looks legit. Network Solutions' "Who is it" database shows the domain of www.savedisney.com as belonging to Shamrock Holdings. The Shamrock Holdings site indicates that it has an affiliation with Roy Disney (based on other articles I think he created it as a foundation for him to use for running various business holdings).

Very interesting that wdwmagic and allears.net are not listed on the site.

None the less I do hope that regardless of the current controversy that Disney Cast Members at the parks keep their focus on the public that is visiting the parks. The future of Disney is tied to their customer service. That is their key means of differentiation between themselves and their competition. Dump the networks if you have to the movies and the parks are where Disney's future is going to be made from my point of view.
 

SirNim

Well-Known Member
Very interesting. I'd have to say this is legit, based on some investigation I've done. Well... Roy and Stan now have a "tangible" vehicle for their efforts. I'd have to, at this point, give it a nice " :sohappy: "... Though, where by golly is the link to wdwmagic.com?! :lol:
 

Katherine

Well-Known Member
:sohappy: I'm really happy that they've launched this site. I agree it's time to turn the Disney Company back into a great company and this I think is a great starting point.
 

CTXRover

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by COProgressFan
I agree, the quality of the site doesn't look that great, but a quick WHOIS search online shows the the savedisney.com domain was registered to to Shamrock Holdings (the company Roy Disney and Gold are involved with) on December 1st. So it's legit.

CoP

Oh, I didn't take the time to do such a search for the domain registration and even if so, I didn't know Roy and Stan were involved in Shamrock Holdings. Let's hope this site does do some good, but without any place for discussion on the site and a rather uncredible layout at this point, what is it really doing beyond providing links to Roy and Stan, which is a good idea though.
 

Pixie Duster

New Member
It is my understanding that this site is bare bones because Roy and Stan are waiting for ideas as to what will help the situation. They are just getting started. But if you guys have any suggestions then by all means e-mail them.
 

Gregory

New Member
Well, I too questioned if it was real or not...

Its fairly easy to fake a WHOIS- they don't really check with you to see if its really you...

Anyways... Heres what I found... (Its works for me, see if it works for you)..

SaveDisney.com
www.SaveDisney.com

They are two different sites, and one looks a bit more professional...

Anyways, I e-mailed Roy, and offered him a layout for the site, if he wanted me to make one.. I also will try to further verify if it is him really...
 

imagineer boy

Well-Known Member
I think this sight is real. They just created it and they want to get started as soon as possible so maybe that explains the odd look of the sight. Anyway, I e-mailed roy and showed him the funny political cartoon I posted here. I hope he might have time to e-mail me back!:sohappy:
 

Shaman

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Gregory
Well, I too questioned if it was real or not...

Its fairly easy to fake a WHOIS- they don't really check with you to see if its really you...

Anyways... Heres what I found... (Its works for me, see if it works for you)..

SaveDisney.com
www.SaveDisney.com

They are two different sites, and one looks a bit more professional...

Nice find...does anyone know who own Shamrock Holdings...is it Stanley Gold or Roy Disney....I'm a bit confused with the whole Shamrock mention.....

:lookaroun
 

colliera

Member
Who is Shamrock Holdings?

Shamrock is a financial arm of Roy E. Disney also with ties to Stanley P. Gold.

Their website is http://www.shamrock.com/home.asp

http://www.shamrock.com/our_story.html will give you a little background on what the purpose of Shamrock is . . .

AND,

http://www.shamrock.com/team.html

has a very interesting email address of someone recently in the news, (Mr. Gold).

Otherwise the address matches up with the Whois information.

BTW, now that you might have his email address try to refrain from flooding the Shamrock email address to Mr. Gold. He's trying to run a business there. If SaveDisney.com is leglit then that would be his preferred point of contact.
 

colliera

Member
Whois savedisney.com Part II

I did a little more investigating on savedisney and found the following by doing a tracert:

All three web IPs dump to a router called "Shammrock-Holdings.cust-rtr.pacbell.net before dumping into their final IP. I wonder how likely it is someone would go to the trouble of naming a router to fake a website?

www.savedisney.com's IP is 209.78.223.8
savedisney.com's IP is 209.78.223.241
www.shamrock.com's IP is 209.78.223.241

At the least this tells us all three sites are in the same quad.
Savedisney.com and www.shamrock.com are on the same webserver.

www.savedisney.com MIGHT just be the IP of a second network card in the same webserver or could be an entirely different computer.

This isn't ironclad proof but it sure makes it more interesting!
 

SirNim

Well-Known Member
Take a look at the source of the webpage... I believe that if you search around there, you'll come across a few tidbits o' info that all the more validate and verify this webpage's authenticity... It's legit. :lookaroun :)
 

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