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Rumor concerning Phil Holmes
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Mr.EPCOT
Active Member
That's a good point. The corporate culture needs to be reworked from the top down. Look how long Jim MacPhee (who supposedly genuinely strove for quality at EPCOT) lasted compared to Phil (who's reportedly somewhat less than a champion for quality).
Makes me wish that I'd bought that CommuniCore operating guide back when it was on eBay a few years ago, you can find all kinds of fascinating things like that.
jt04
Well-Known Member
No, I don't think so. Actually I couldn't disagree more.
Now what would work is the rumored scarier nightime version of the Haunted Mansion. More intense effects/music and even live (non-Disney) characters in the ride
for designated hours in the evening would be fun, original and could be offered at the click of a mouse.Where is originality?:hammer:
SirGoofy
Member
Now what would work is the rumored scarier nightime version of the Haunted Mansion. More intense effects/music and even live (non-Disney) characters in the ride
That's not possible with all the intrusion mats along the ride path.
jt04
Well-Known Member
Nothing that can't be bypassed with the click of a mouse. And with CM's stratgically placed in the ride there would be no need for them anyway.
SirGoofy
Member
You're right, there's no need for an important safety system to be turned on in a ride. Who cares if someone jumps out and gets their foot crushed.
jt04
Well-Known Member
You're right, there's no need for an important safety system to be turned on in a ride. Who cares if someone jumps out and gets their foot crushed.
I used to jump out all the time (pre mats), my feet are fine.
Seriously though, I do agree that new lap bars would be necessary.
You can't make everything idiot proof. There is nothing stopping people from jumping out of a lot of rides. Especially boats. I don't see those rides being shut off.
SirGoofy
Member
Sure, yours are. I'm sure 99% of people would be fine if the jumped out. The thing is, you jump out at the wrong time, and you are gonna pay for it. Especially on an omnimover attraction.
Besides, they'll never put live actors back into the mansion. They tried it back in the day, people complained, and CMs said they were sometimes physically assaulted(not on purpose, people were just lashing out in fear).
goodtimes5286
New Member
Why didn't they drop in nemo then? Attractions gather more people then picture spots (esp since the nemo ride had over a 2 and a half hour WAIT! They had to create a line past the matterhorn bobsleds). Cali isnt the only place with a nemo fan base, so it would def work..
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
The Horizons one is out there now...
No, I don't think so. Actually I couldn't disagree more.
Now what would work is the rumored scarier nightime version of the Haunted Mansion. More intense effects/music and even live (non-Disney) characters in the ride
Where is originality?:hammer:
In the end, I think that's the basis for this entire thread. People don't associate current TDO/WDC operations with originality in the MK (It's all about selling plush!) and that's what they want to change. And if Phil Holmes is at the epicenter of it, so be it.
That's it from my point of view, at least...:lol:
Not here to gain points, just trying to bring perspective and balance to a very one-sided, distorted viewpoint from some people
SirGoofy
Member
Not here to gain points, just trying to bring perspective and balance to a very one-sided, distorted viewpoint from some people
By making rash assumptions.
By making rash assumptions.
Well if that's how you see it, but as you can see, we don't see eye to eye on this.
Lee
Adventurer
Oddly enough for someone who is only a casual Epcot fan....I kinda got that one. Not an Ops manual, but the prop and equipment inventory.
SirGoofy
Member
Fine by me.
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
ClemsonTigger
Naturally Grumpy
No, I don't think so. Actually I couldn't disagree more.
Now what would work is the rumored scarier nightime version of the Haunted Mansion. More intense effects/music and even live (non-Disney) characters in the ride
Where is originality?:hammer:
That would match more with the long rumored full time NBC ride for Studios. that would solve both your suggestion and the 4 month changeover discussion issue.
BTW, never heard of a PM changeover for HM. POTC yes, but not HM. Just sharing ideas?
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
I don't disagree with the crux of any of what you're saying, but the park VPs are not really in Meg's control (they are something that comes from Al and Jay with much input from Erin).
Every park VP in O-Town is a puppet of Al, Jay and Erin.
Meg is just a pretty face (if you're into women her age with pasted on smiles) that gets to come out and read PR speeches at openings, events and charity functions in Central FLA.
And you are right, my 'issues' are largely with the way TWDC is choosing to operate WDW.
My only point regarding Phil, or any of the four VPs that run the parks, is they do have a certain amount of power within parameters to handle the day to day ops of their respective park. I think Phil and Val have done awful jobs. Rilous hasn't had his position long enough to be judged and even though he's taken a lot of heat for the Fantasmic decision (something that was largely ordained from above), I have heard some good things about him. Danny Cockerell has just been moved to EPCOT, so I will reserve judgment on him as well.
But your point, if I'm getting it is the devil you know is better than the one you don't. I think in this case, I'll take my chances with the next guy/gal.