Magic Kingdom Gift Shop Policy Fail

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Timekeeper

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A colleague of mine described her recent experience at the MK to me and I was both unaware of and surprised by an apparent policy that (in our shared opinion) is an obvious fail.

First, there are some reasonable assumptions that we as guests make when we visit a theme park. For example, most of us reasonably assume that if we get into a queue for an attraction 15 minutes before the time that the park closes, and the attraction wait time is 30 minutes, we will not be kicked out of the attraction mid-queue.

We also reasonably assume that we will be able to make purchases at the park gift shops while making our way toward the exit of the park, even if that's a few minutes after the park closing time. After all, nobody wants to carry around a bunch of merchandise all day and so many people reasonably plan to make their purchases on their way out. WDW obviously knows this because they typically accommodate guests by leaving retail locations like MouseGears or the Main Street gift shops open for long after the park's posted closing time.

With that said, my colleague was visiting the MK on a day when the posted closing time was 7 PM, after which the park was hosting Mickey's Very Merry Christmas Party. (By this point you can probably see where this is going...) She reasonably planned to make some purchases on her way out of the park of items that were going to be used as Christmas presents. That's right, she actually wanted to give Disney money at retail price. Easier said than done.

The time was approximately 7:15 PM as she was making her way toward the exit. She approached a gift shop on Main Street to open her wallet for the Disney company, but was denied access to the gift shop by a CM "guarding" the entrance. Confused, she tried another entrance and was also denied access by a CM. She was told that she could not enter the gift shop because "she did not have a wrist band," and that her best bet for making her desired Christmas purchase was to drive over to Downtown Disney.

What!? :brick:

That's right. Even though she (and everyone else) had a reasonable expectation that she would be able to make a purchase at the park gift shops a few minutes after the park's closing time, and even though there were undoubtedly some hold-over day guest shoppers in those same shops gathering their desired merchandise together, she was prohibited from doing the same, and instructed to make a substantial detour in order to pick up an overpriced piece of plastic in the shape of our beloved Mouse.

This was news to me. And if you haven't experienced the same, it might be news to you too.

Okay, so Disney has every right to restrict access to whatever they want, and close whatever they want. There's no disagreement about that. The reason that this scenario was particularly frustrating, though, is because it was directly contradictory to the reasonable assumptions that all of us as guests make when visiting a theme park. And if Disney was going to make such a dramatic change to such a common practice, shouldn't they have made that obvious and explicitly known to day guests? How many of us intentionally hold off on making in-park merchandise purchases for our stroll toward the exit? How many of us have purchased something at any of the WDW park gift shops after the posted closing time?

Ironically, she could easily have stayed in the crowds to watch the parade, or fireworks, or any other out-in-the-open activities intended for the "special event" guests. But could she purchase Christmas presents? Nope. :brick:

We view this as a glaring policy fail, for multiple reasons, the least of which is the business practice of diminishing business. :cry:

As for suggesting that a guest take a trip to Downtown Disney when the item they intended to purchase is sitting 20 feet in front of them... Seriously?

:cry:
 

zooey

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She could just go over to World of Disney and find the same stuff.

Seriously though, the guests coming into the park paid a hard-ticket price for an -exclusive- party and anyone who didn't pay that price should be out by the start time. Those that paid extra should be able to enjoy what they paid for, and your friend -assumed- she could shop late, and turned out to be wrong. I do see what you're saying, but it's a special circumstance, and I don't think the CM did the wrong thing, assuming he/she wasn't rude.
 

nepalostparks

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While the event you described is unfortunate, on nights there are Hard Ticket events, the closing time is more thoroughly enforced, as it should be.

While it might be nice that generally shops stay open after the posted closing time, I don't see how anyone would feel they should be GUARANTEED to enter them after the posted closing time.

Now, if you're friend showed up at 6:55 p.m. and denied entrance to the store, then by all means, that would have been a fail of Disney's guest service.

And if anything, it was nice of the Cast Member to make the suggestion of another option of where to purchase the merchandise.
 

Timekeeper

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She could just go over to World of Disney and find the same stuff.

I think you may have missed the point...

Seriously though, the guests coming into the park paid a hard-ticket price for an -exclusive- party and anyone who didn't pay that price should be out by the start time.

Unfortunately, that can be physically impossible, depending on attraction wait times and when guests enter a queue, its distance from the park exit, etc. :brick:
 

zooey

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I think you may have missed the point...



Unfortunately, that can be physically impossible, depending on attraction wait times and when guests enter a queue, its distance from the park exit, etc. :brick:

Well, okay, but they should be on their way out by that time, or when ever they get off the last attraction that cuts into that start time, and they shouldn't be allowed to linger on the way out, including shopping.

I get that it sucks, but if that bothers someone, they shouldn't go on a party night. I mean, if someone that didn't pay says, "oh, I just need to buy a couple things." Then they do that, and say, "Oh, I just need to go to the bathroom." and then, "Oh, I just need to go to the hat shop." and then, " Oh I just need to stop in at city hall." See what I'm saying? She could be taking advantage, and what is a CM going to do? Follower her around to make sure she just goes in and buys those few things and then promptly leaves the park? No, the CM has been given a rule and enforces it, which they should do. Rules are rules, and assumptions are assumptions and they can be wrong. Your friend assumed the wrong thing and then got mad about it. She could have gone to city hall earlier in the day and asked if she can shop a little bit after the park has closed and received the correct answer most likely and then you and I wouldn't be having this dopey Disney ethics conversation on a message board.
 

Timekeeper

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Well, okay, but they should be on their way out by that time, or when ever they get off the last attraction that cuts into that start time, and they shouldn't be allowed to linger on the way out, including shopping.

If Disney wanted to dump the park and then start separate admission, they could. Universal does this with HHN just fine.

Rules are rules, and assumptions are assumptions and they can be wrong. Your friend assumed the wrong thing and then got mad about it. She could have gone to city hall earlier in the day and asked if she can shop a little bit after the park has closed and received the correct answer most likely and then you and I wouldn't be having this dopey Disney ethics conversation on a message board.

Yes, rules are rules. But guess what, people have to be put on notice as to the rules so that they can adhere to them. And ex post facto notice is generally rejected because it is inherently unfair. A company, especially one like Disney, should be extra careful to put guests on notice of a "rule" that is so directly contradictory to what is a universal, common practice among all theme parks - to permit guests to shop on their way out even if that's a few minutes after closing time.

As for asking city hall earlier in the day... are you kidding me? None of us have any ESP or telepathic skills, so knowing that a question even exists to be asked, defies logic.

How many of us stop by guest services on our way into EPCOT to ask if we can buy a tshirt in MouseGears after Illuminations? Zero. :brick:

This guest had a reasonable expectation and if there was to be a special or otherwise unique circumstance resulting in a change to that expectation, then Disney needed to better communicate that to all of their guests.

I get that there are Disney disciples on this board that believe that Disney never fails and always does everything perfect. And you're entitled to your opinion. There are, however, mutual opinions that view this policy to be a fail.
 

ScoutN

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They DO check wristbands during party hours and escort wandering guests out of the park. If you eat at a sitdown restaurant and it is past party time then you are escorted. At this point in time it does not surprise. Had I read this before we were escorted out then it would have. Once being escorted then I am meh about it. I agree, a shop is a shop and it is giving them money. More than likely more money than what a party ticket costs. That is something I would put in the survey as well as a separate email.
 

nepalostparks

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This guest had a reasonable expectation and if there was to be a special or otherwise unique circumstance resulting in a change to that expectation, then Disney needed to better communicate that to all of their guests.

Disney did communicate to their guests. The posted closing time was 7 p.m. You said this encounter took place 15 minutes after the posted closing time. Reasonable expectation or not, the closing time of the park was communicated to the guest.
 

invader

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If she knew the park was closing promptly at 7PM for a Mickey's Very Merry she should have been there earlier regardless of the situation. They told her it was going to close at 7, it closed at 7. The same rules apply to everyone, not just her...

They would also be especially stubborn about the closing time if it was a sold out event.
 

smw

Active Member
this is a pretty silly complaint.

so at 7:15, 7:20 they should still let you in? when do they stop, 7:22? 7:25? at some point someone has to be told "no."
 

smw

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Yes, rules are rules. But guess what, people have to be put on notice as to the rules so that they can adhere to them.

wait, what? seriously?

if its a day that requires a separate ticket after 7pm, and you dont have said ticket, thats your notice. is your friend 9 years old?
 

rsoxguy

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The OP has presented a tough scenario. On the one hand, it is common practice to shop after closing hours at Disney parks. On the other hand, it is Disney’s right to enforce their closing hours when pressed for time with a pending special event being held directly after regular closing hours. It is my opinion that in such a case, it should be reasonable to expect that a guest would show a modicum of caution and due diligence by checking well in advance of closing time with a higher echelon CM regarding the closing procedure for the evening. Ten minutes of personal responsibility can often save an enormous amount of grief within the span of a day.
 

G00fyDad

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Seriously. This just sounds like an issue with arrogance than anything else. No. We do not have a "reasonable expectation" of staying in the park after closing time to make purchases. But of course those who think the world revolves around them must think that. :rolleyes: Here's a tip for your friend... The next time she wants to make a purchase and not carry it around she should try buying said item and having it sent to the front of the park or the room. But then that would mean that she would have to behave like most everyone else and that doesn't sound like an option for her.:hammer:
 

zooey

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I get that there are Disney disciples on this board that believe that Disney never fails and always does everything perfect. And you're entitled to your opinion. There are, however, mutual opinions that view this policy to be a fail.

My other posts should prove that I'm definitely not one of those people. I'm just saying, I don't think Disney did anything wrong in this particular matter, even though it mildly inconvenienced your friend for the sake of other paying guests.
 

Timekeeper

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The OP has presented a tough scenario. On the one hand, it is common practice to shop after closing hours at Disney parks.

Exactly (and "common" is probably an understatement).

On the other hand, it is Disney’s right to enforce their closing hours when pressed for time with a pending special event being held directly after regular closing hours. It is my opinion that in such a case, it should be reasonable to expect that a guest would show a modicum of caution and due diligence by checking well in advance of closing time with a higher echelon CM regarding the closing procedure for the evening. Ten minutes of personal responsibility can often save an enormous amount of grief within the span of a day.

More than 9 time out of 10, a WDW park closing time is not a closing time that gives way to a subsequent hard ticket event. So, more than 9 times out of 10, guests are free to shop on their way out, which may be after the posted closing time. How is a guest supposed to know that such an even (1) exists, and (2) is taking place on that date? :shrug:

Yes, the people on this board are WDW experts, and they know the ins and outs of WDW, policies, procedures, etc. But I'm referring to the typical guest, not a WDW blogging fanboy. Are all guests expected to inquire with "higher echelon CMs" at all WDW parks to confirm a policy that they didn't even know existed in the first place? Or maybe the more reasonable perspective is the 9 times out of 10 guest experience...

:)

And no, although I can appreciate sarcasm (when appropriate), my colleague is not "9 years old." She's a professional adult woman, and all around Disney-loving fan. If she was "surprised" by this policy, I can guarantee that she wasn't the only one.

Also, this brings into question a policy, not the CMs who enforce it. The CMs all did what they were supposed to do. Our disagreement with Disney is with the policy that they were enforcing.
 

unkadug

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If she is savvy enough to know that shopping time is generally available after park closing, you would think that the park closing earlier than normal would have given her a hint that something special was going on. :shrug:
 

ScoutN

OV 104
Premium Member
There's a lot of room for interpretation. There are signs all around saying the park will be closing PROMPTLY at 7pm. I have a hard time thinking anyone at all could miss them at all. Personally, I did not expect shops to be closed then. As I said before, the better part of guests that WOULD actually shop would more than likely spend more than the ticket cost. I see this as only a losing situation for Disney.
 

Rowdy

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Yes, rules are rules. But guess what, people have to be put on notice as to the rules so that they can adhere to them.

A "closing time" and the numerous amount of times it's mentioned on a tram ride, or a times guide, isn't enough notice?


Why don't we all go 5 over while driving the speed limit? I mean, some cops sometimes let people get away with it. So, when we get pulled over, we can tell them that they need to be more clear with the speed limit. :rolleyes:
 

Monty

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In the Parks
No
The reason they enforce the close more rigorously hasn't actually been mentioned yet. The stores put out event-specific merchandise once the hard-ticket event starts. If they allow lingering day guests access to the stores, there is less incentive to buy the hard ticket.

I know some people who specifically attended for the purpose of getting the special merchandise [they did take advantage of the event, but likely wouldn't have gone were it not for the merch].
 

rsoxguy

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Yes, the people on this board are WDW experts, and they know the ins and outs of WDW, policies, procedures, etc. But I'm referring to the typical guest, not a WDW blogging fanboy. Are all guests expected to inquire with "higher echelon CMs" at all WDW parks to confirm a policy that they didn't even know existed in the first place? Or maybe the more reasonable perspective is the 9 times out of 10 guest experience...

If she is savvy enough to know that shopping time is generally available after park closing, you would think that the park closing earlier than normal would have given her a hint that something special was going on. :shrug:


I am neither an expert, nor a fanboy. Additionally, I do not consider the OP's friend to be of elementary age, or ignorant. I have, however, visited places outside of the Disney property confines when vacationing. I have found that personal due diligence when dealing with the rules of my vacation destination can help me to avoid disappointing misunderstandings. I agree with unkadug's confusion. If a guest is aware of the late shopping availability, it is reasonable for that guest to question the availability of the late shopping on a "special event" night. No insult to the OP's friend, just an opinion.
 
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