Epcot Horizons VS Worlds Fair Futurama

vintageepcot

New Member
Original Poster
Good news everyone! I've re-created Horizons!
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Seems legit :lol:. It has your own features added it almost looks like a whole different ride.

I'd be fine with that! You know what's totally crazy? The amount of hard work that went into all of those old world's fairs pavilions -- only to have them torn down and demolished just a year or two after! It's utterly insane to me as someone who grew up with something more permanent like EPCOT.

And as badass as the '64 Futurama building was, the '39 is right up there too -- especially when you consider its from 1939!!! Ha!

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Thats a fun line to wait on.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
...also waits for Jackie....

Anyway, I would love a time machine to go back to all of the world's fairs from the 1900 Paris expo, to 1939 and 1964, they ALL had very similar things to what Disney gave us.

1900 had the world's first circlevision screen of a hot air balloon ride, but unfortunately after the first 2 days of the expo it was shut down because all of the projectors (in the center of the room actually) were getting too hot and they were afraid it would start a fire.

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I also found this cutaway of a virtual steamship adventure:

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EpcotServo

Well-Known Member
...also waits for Jackie....

Anyway, I would love a time machine to go back to all of the world's fairs from the 1900 Paris expo, to 1939 and 1964, they ALL had very similar things to what Disney gave us.

1900 had the world's first circlevision screen of a hot air balloon ride, but unfortunately after the first 2 days of the expo it was shut down because all of the projectors (in the center of the room actually) were getting too hot and they were afraid it would start a fire.

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When I see stuff like this it makes me realize how there will never be a penultimate ride...Those who break ground will only live to see another stomp on the ground you broke...Gotta' appreciate attractions for what they are.
 

brkgnews

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*Runs into the thread out of breath*


What? I got here as quick as I could. :lookaroun

:lol:

Give me some time to compose a few thoughts, and I'll jump in :D
 

dweezil78

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You wanna see something really neat? Check this out:
http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...714,127.385455&spn=0.005511,0.009645&t=h&z=17

It's Expo Park in Daejeon, South Korea -- site of Expo '93. What's cool is that, unlike other temporary World's Fairs, a lot of the exhibits still exist today, or at least the buildings for them do.

I recently had the opportunity to purchase some concept art and couldn't resist b/c it was so damn EPCOT-y! (The first one is actually an original, second one is a print.)

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EPCOT Explorer

New Member
You wanna see something really neat? Check this out:
http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...714,127.385455&spn=0.005511,0.009645&t=h&z=17

It's Expo Park in Daejeon, South Korea -- site of Expo '93. What's cool is that, unlike other temporary World's Fairs, a lot of the exhibits still exist today, or at least the buildings for them do.

I recently had the opportunity to purchase some concept art and couldn't resist b/c it was so damn EPCOT-y! (The first one is actually an original, second one is a print.)

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That seriously looks JUST like a rwendering for FW 1981 from the WDI EC guide...:eek::sohappy:
 

brkgnews

Well-Known Member
So, yeah. Let's see... where to begin. *pulls out 1939 NYWF Guide Book* :lookaroun

You could, I guess, start with the fact that, like Project Florida in the late 60s, the actual act of getting the 1939 fair up and running was a gigantic land reclaimation project. The area was an ash dump, and millions had to be spent. It was, at the time, the largest such building project ever attempted.

The original Futurama (1939/40) was the granpappy of them all. It focused on the importance of a network of interconnected high-speed highways across America. A lot of the ideas for traffic flow and highway systems would late manifest themselves in Walt's visions for E.P.C.O.T. (the city). Most notably, the original Futurama opted for pedestrian traffic to be isolated from vehicle traffic, just like Walt's ideas for a multi-tiered transport system that kept cars below ground while Pedestrians walked on the main level. At Futurama, this was shown not only in model form, but was even built out in full size for the exit of the attraction.

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Another interesting corrolary is that, in 1939, Futurama was not considered the "theme center" (ride intended to best-exhibit the fair's ideals). That honor, instead, went to "Democracity," which was housed inside the Perisphere (imagine a huge, gypsum board Spaceship Earth). Democaracity used models and also huge projections inside the top of the sphere to show a model city of tomorrow (which looks pretty darn EPCOTty) and was narrated by H.V. Kaltenborn, who was a prominent newsman in his day. Yet the privately-funded Futurama stole the show as one of the most popular rides, and was seen by many as the highlight of the fair.

Fast forward some four decades or so to 1982. Horizons was not considered the "theme center" of EPCOT Center. That honor, instead, went to Spaceship Earth. It used models and animatronics and also huge projections inside the top of the sphere to show the history of communications and was narrated (eventually) by Walter Cronkite, who was a prominent newsman in his day. Yet the GE-funded Horizons stole the show as one of the most popular rides, and was seen by many as the highlight of EPCOT.

While we're talking about The Perisphere at 1939, it's worth noting there was a huge tall pointy thing next to it called the Trylon. And there were a LOT of gripes from some folks that it ruined the scale, simplicity, and grandeur of the Perisphere. Those arguments would be echoed years later about the wand versus SSE.

Futurama II (1964/65) was much more visually and thematically like Horizons. It featured better-living-thru-science (and yes, science helps us get rid of those pesky rainforests) :lookaroun And it also offered glimpses of life underwater, in space, etc. Some of the scenes from Futurama look like they could be dropped straight into Horizons (or, for that matter, an episode of The Thunderbirds :lookaroun).

There's also little tidbits of 1939 and 1964 elsewhere around EPCOT Center. The Heinz pavilion had an animatronic-style Mr Tomato... not far off from the animatronic food in Kitchen Kabaret. A huge man-and-his-health pavilion was at the 1939 fair (much better received than Wodners of Life, though). And so on. There are plenty of other similarities.

Also in 1939, there was the Electric Utilities building where visitors would watch two scenes; one showing life before electricity, and another showing life after electricity arrived. Very CoP in nature.

And of course Disney did a Mickey movie for Nabisco in 1939's fair (search youtube for "Mickey's Surprise Party") as well as Circlevision/Circarama films for Canada in a couple of different expos over the years.

Oh, and sincesome one brought up the 1900 fair in Paris... they did have a huge globe there too. :D

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As always, for the definitive Masterwork on 1939 vs Epcot (well, definitive until I start writing a book :lookaroun), I always suggest a visit to 2719hyperion.com where Jeff Pepper has a whole series of articles dedicated to it. :wave:
 

brkgnews

Well-Known Member
BTW, a big hat-tip to ChrisFL for those cool images of the Hot Air Balloon adventure and also the nautical adventure. Too cool! And the nautical one looks sooooo deliciously steampunk :D
 

brkgnews

Well-Known Member
WorldsFairCommunity.org is indeed, a great place. especially keep an eye out for Bill Cotter over there. His collection of pix from the fairs is absolutely unrivaled. He's done several books.

And Evan, feel free to file away :D
 

brkgnews

Well-Known Member
Oh, and DUH... I forgot one of the BIGGEST connections between Futurama (39) and and Horizons... the film promoting Futurama was called "Toward New Horizons" :lol:
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
WorldsFairCommunity.org is indeed, a great place. especially keep an eye out for Bill Cotter over there. His collection of pix from the fairs is absolutely unrivaled. He's done several books.

And Evan, feel free to file away :D
Thankies. And yes, I have them bookmarked.:king:

Oh, and DUH... I forgot one of the BIGGEST connections between Futurama (39) and and Horizons... the film promoting Futurama was called "Toward New Horizons" :lol:
Which one was Highways and Horizons?
 

brkgnews

Well-Known Member
Thankies. And yes, I have them bookmarked.:king:


Which one was Highways and Horizons?
"Highways and Horizons" was the name of the entire GM complex at the 39NYWF. It included...
- "Futurama"
- "Previews of Progress" (Yarns made of Milk! Glass that bends! The Frig-O-Therm that cooks and freezes at the same time! The Talking Flashlight transmitting speech over a light beam! [cheezy descriptions lifted straight from the exhibit's guidebook. :lol:).
- "Casino of Science" (lectures on science. Wa-frickin'-hoo).
- Multiple displays from about two dozen GM affiliates and divisions, displayed in an "apartment house" in the big-scale city of the future (1960)
- Automobile Display Salon
- 110-foot animated map of the future of the US Highway System
 

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