The Imagineer--Project 3

WDW Vacationer

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:O since when does water run in pyramids?

I don't get how my project isn't an e-ticket... it's basically a 10-12 minute flume ride thmed to Pocahontas with steep drops... evidently that's a D-ticket or lower... :shrug: :lol::lol::lol::ROFLOL::lol::ROFLOL::ROFLOL::lol:
I thought it was E-Ticket worthy,otherwise I would have said it was not.:veryconfu
 

MaterA113

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I am here and posting :)
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Ok im sorry that you all feel that way BUT here are mine and Disneyson's explainations and ELIMINATIONS... King Mickey and Wannabe Walt have not submitted comments so when they do they can just post here... However KM has submitted who he thinks is "best"...

I just have to say that Disneyson and I seem to agree for the MOST part on everything with this project....

Here are Disneyson's comments:
Pocahontas River Adventure (Best)

This is a GREAT idea. I really feel like I could actually ride this, it’s a classic “old Disney” ride. The idea of the need for a water ride in DAK is a good one, and this certainly satisfies the need. The tepee is a great idea, and the shadows sound wonderful. The animal tracks are nice too. The idea with the “actual temperature” is a good one, but it might ruin the feeling you want for the ride. I mean, how would you feel going through one of the more “happy” scenes in a rainstorm? But then again, that increases re-rideability. I’d like to know who had that idea, it’s very intriguing. The ride’s storyline is set up quite perfectly. It cuts out most of the “fat” while retaining the feel of the movie. The only questionable placement is “Just Around The Riverbend”, which COMPLETELY did not fit into the story of the ride. You built it up, and you put a non-emotional scene before the drop. “Colors of the Wind” was good, though. I’d like to know who came up with the ride order. A little short, but good.


Ned’s Nocturnal Adventure
Alright, I liked the Concept Art and the general idea. The rest was… not there. I mean, there was HARDLY any story to it. You have Shrunken Ned popping in there for randomness’s sake, and some indoor animals. You didn’t have a climax, there was no ANYTHING, just a list of animals. We’ve been trying to drill one idea into you since the beginning: EVERYTHING HAS A STORY. Alright, Ned takes us on an “expedition”, but… that’s not a story, just a scenario. I see you were trying to take a page from Kilimanjaro Safaris, but THAT has a story: The company invites you on a 3 day safari where they warn of poachers and advertise Big Red & Little Red, climax is Big Red is shot, you rescue Little Red, happy ending. Here, NOTHING. You didn’t even put it in a LAND. You put it in the GENERIC PLAY AREA. How much more generic could you be? And why was Shrunken Ned in the ride again? The only person that positively contributed was the Concept Artist. THAT person had the vision and I have a horrible feeling that the rest of the team blindly followed.

Yes, I understand that a night-time animals exhibit is needed, but it must have a theme. I understand where you’re coming from and it was a good idea… but this is a competition. An Imagineering competition. Otherwise it’s no better than a local zoo’s nocturnal animal exhibit.

The Great Pyramid

Your E - Ticket was the best of them all, plain and simple. The adventure, the unique ride type, and the complete story adventure of the train to the unload. The story-writer should be very proud. Just a little note, be sure that when creating a ride for the ANIMAL KINGDOM... include animals. I read your thread and I have to say that it was the most compelling of them all. You had some of the best ideas and quickly turned away from mummies when you thought it wasn't animal-y enough. You said there were going to be snakes and cats, where where they? I'm a little disappointed in the lack of team communication, from the animals to losing the documents. Still, it was clearly the best


Here are mine:

Pocahontas (Best)
I have re-read it and have to say im sorry, it is an "E-Ticket" but not a total one... I see some parts but not all the way there. I feel that for an "E ticket" i was kinda hoping you would make up your own story. Following a movie is OK, but not GREAT. Look most E Tickets, Matterhorn, Everest, Pirates, Mansion, all have ORIGINAL STORIES and not from movies. But i feel that Pocahontas was a good choice for such underused franchise it was ok. But i do feel as though the "climax" is a bit underwhelming. THe placement though was good becasue CMM DOES NEED SOMETHING...

Shrunken Ned
Personally, i really dont know WHERE to start. :shrug: The placement, story, Shrunken Ned are RANDOM. I get you wanted to tie in animals, sort of like teh Jungle Cruise/ KS, but it fell short.. Sorry. It lacked story and was just random to me. I definatley dont see how a Snow Lepord (that lives in the mountains of Himalayas and rarely seen) ties into a Kola bear from Austrailia. The place mentwas well just RANDOM as well. It was just dropped in really no land. I see how you wanted to be sort of like Jungle Cruise, but JC has a story and this doesnt. IT just seems forced like this is here, than oh look over there and oh look Shrunken Ned appears some points... OVerall it lacked story, like Disneyson said, EVERYTHING NEEDS A STORY... THat is the whole point. But here are my few good points, the drawing was amazing... and your teamwork was great, but that also could have been your downfall. :(

The Great Pyramid
Like DS once again, this was my favorite and really did embody an DAK E-Ticket, with original story and such. Like many others i was following your thread and i was originally like Egypt in Africa, really?? Then i thought about it and was like oh yeah Egypt is in Aftica and is a great addition. But this attraction was lacking ANIMALS, this is Disney's ANIMAL kingdom, even though it is NATAZU, it still needs animals. I liked the "god" angle and such. ANd again like DS stated above, teamwork seemed to be lacking near the end of the project. You changed your ideas numerous times (so it seemed) but ended with this attraction that was by far the best, IMO, but still someone has to go because it was not turned in on time... Sorry


OVerall, from me and Disneyson, (Pocahontas and Ned) were both lacking GREAT detail and such. I know Scar you said you didnt want to have that much, but with an E Ticket YOU NEED details and STORY and great explaining skills. If i was to explain Exp. Everst to you it would be longer than that...

King Mickey and Wannabe Walt if you have comments to add pls feel free to post here :)

I will post in a couple of minutes with the ELIMINEES :(
 

MaterA113

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The not so nice Mater is back :)... And i have to preface this with if i hurt your feelings in the comments section, im sorry and i really didnt mean too.

I said yesterday that there would be a "winner" but after thinking about it i really cant give "Immunity" to a team leader from a team taht was hard to choose a good project from the 2 turned in (and that wasnt a good thing, sorry :() So there really is NO WINNER THIS TIME!!! :(

On to even worse news... The Eliminations.
The first one i am going to say is from Team C, who knows they are up for elimination. THis one was hard becasue the team was ok, and the project was good, but i still have to since you project was late... ANd it seemed that your project lacked the animals and such and was late because of "lack of leadership and teamwork" so the first person i have to elminate is Team Leader TrevorA... I also have to say another reason is saying that you might drop out of the competition and such. :(

The second person eliminated is from Team B (Shrunken Ned)... This is becasue the project lacked an overall story and there wasnt a SET TEAMLEADER, i know you said you all did it equally and such, but in someways YOU NEED a teamleader to get people on track and focus and such. DS and I think the best thing in this attraction was the drawings, so Comics101 you are safe... So it is down between Sassagoula-Rvr and cmwade77... To me through the comments you all PMd me about Teamwork all it seems cmwade77 did was "research" so he really didnt have a "say" in the idea and such, from the way i see it... So i have to say that im sorry, but Sassagoula-Rvr you are elimianted, becasue you did seem like the Team Leader, even though "team worked great, and didnt have a leader" it seemed you were a leader underlying, and you need a leader when working in a group just to keep people on track...

So im sorry that TrevorA and Sassagoula-Rvr you both are eliminated, i really was looking forward to see what you guys could come up with next... Hopefully you both will join us in Season 2 (which im already planning)...

But overall (with all 3 prjects) i have to say, IMO, i was dissapointed :(

I hope the next project will bring us better outcomes, and it willbe hard to choose a winner for better reasons... ONce again i hope you all understand...

I will post project 4 later today/tonite... ANd bamsk8er49 will rejoin us :) Here is a HINT at what is to come... We will be moving back to the Magic Kingdom to deal with a little Live Action!!!
 

TrevorA

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In the Parks
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Good luck to everyone who made it through, I hope you do well for this season. But as far as the next one goes, you had better watch yourselves. I'll be back!


---TrevorA

PS:To Scar, it would be wise to keep your negative opinions to yourself. Nobody likes a whiner.
 

mharrington

Well-Known Member
But overall (with all 3 prjects) i have to say, IMO, i was dissapointed :(

I hope the next project will bring us better outcomes, and it willbe hard to choose a winner for better reasons... ONce again i hope you all understand...

I think part of the problem was where the rides were to be located: Animal Kingdom. I'm not sure that a lot of us are all that familiar with that park, at least not compared to the other parks.

I will post project 4 later today/tonite... ANd bamsk8er49 will rejoin us :) Here is a HINT at what is to come... We will be moving back to the Magic Kingdom to deal with a little Live Action!!!

Live action? Does that mean we may be doing a new stage show or parade? Oh, well, at least we're more familiar with the MK.
 

MaterA113

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mharrington, im sorry if you all feel that you arent familar with certain areas... Do some research... I do that sometimes... I am ONLY familiar with WDW and when i do projects for TDR or DLR i hve to research to make myself familiar :)

As for the next project... we will see wont we.. :) Im posting in 2 minutes
 

Jasonflz

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Sorry to those eliminated.

I personally thought Trevor A did a good job as team leader.

Glad to hear that you liked our project.
 

comics101

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Ned’s Nocturnal Adventure
Alright, I liked the Concept Art and the general idea. The rest was… not there. I mean, there was HARDLY any story to it. You have Shrunken Ned popping in there for randomness’s sake, and some indoor animals. You didn’t have a climax, there was no ANYTHING, just a list of animals. We’ve been trying to drill one idea into you since the beginning: EVERYTHING HAS A STORY. Alright, Ned takes us on an “expedition”, but… that’s not a story, just a scenario. I see you were trying to take a page from Kilimanjaro Safaris, but THAT has a story: The company invites you on a 3 day safari where they warn of poachers and advertise Big Red & Little Red, climax is Big Red is shot, you rescue Little Red, happy ending. Here, NOTHING. You didn’t even put it in a LAND. You put it in the GENERIC PLAY AREA. How much more generic could you be? And why was Shrunken Ned in the ride again? The only person that positively contributed was the Concept Artist. THAT person had the vision and I have a horrible feeling that the rest of the team blindly followed.

Yes, I understand that a night-time animals exhibit is needed, but it must have a theme. I understand where you’re coming from and it was a good idea… but this is a competition. An Imagineering competition. Otherwise it’s no better than a local zoo’s nocturnal animal exhibit.

Shrunken Ned
Personally, i really dont know WHERE to start. :shrug: The placement, story, Shrunken Ned are RANDOM. I get you wanted to tie in animals, sort of like teh Jungle Cruise/ KS, but it fell short.. Sorry. It lacked story and was just random to me. I definatley dont see how a Snow Lepord (that lives in the mountains of Himalayas and rarely seen) ties into a Kola bear from Austrailia. The place mentwas well just RANDOM as well. It was just dropped in really no land. I see how you wanted to be sort of like Jungle Cruise, but JC has a story and this doesnt. IT just seems forced like this is here, than oh look over there and oh look Shrunken Ned appears some points... OVerall it lacked story, like Disneyson said, EVERYTHING NEEDS A STORY... THat is the whole point. But here are my few good points, the drawing was amazing... and your teamwork was great, but that also could have been your downfall. :(

Mater, I think the hardest part of this round was the description "E-Ticket". My definition of E Ticket may be wrong, but when I think of an e-ticket attraction I not only think of POTC and HM, but I also think of attractions like Splash Mountain (and if SM is an "E", Pocahontas definatly is...). And then there are the old school EPCOT Center attractions like Horizons and WOM, which is what I believe our attraction was most like.
Your thoughts??

As for the specific comments, I think we had a great start, and there was certainly a TON of team work. I'd never imagineered as a team before, and what a great experience this first time was. I guess looking back on it we just lost track of time. I couldn't believe how fast the two weeks went by.
We put the attraction in RPW because we saw that was the one location that had absolutly nothing. I went back there once and couldn't believe it was on Disney property. I'm shocked people complain about the tackiness of Dinorama, when Disney basically runs a zoo (with very little themeing) in the exact same park. Maybe we should've picked a different location, idk.:shrug: We were definatly going for the JC meets EPCOT Center angle. Maybe it backfired.

I don't believe that I'm the only person who positivly contributed to the attraction (but thanks for the compliments). Sass, and CM both had ideas and both guided me in my concept art. I was just thinking, had we not had partners for this round, I don't know what I would've done. I probably would've tried to force Indiana Jones into the park or something...

Thanks for the comments!!!
 

comics101

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To me through the comments you all PMd me about Teamwork all it seems cmwade77 did was "research" so he really didnt have a "say" in the idea and such, from the way i see it... So i have to say that im sorry, but Sassagoula-Rvr you are elimianted, becasue you did seem like the Team Leader, even though "team worked great, and didnt have a leader" it seemed you were a leader underlying, and you need a leader when working in a group just to keep people on track...

Thanks for the compliments.

Sass and CM were both great to work with, and I'd be sad to see either one of them go. As I've stated, I had a great time working with them. Good luck to everyone left in the competition!!
 

cmwade77

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Ok, I have to say that I strongly disagree with Mater choosing either of the other attractions over ours, as ours seems to be the inly one to incorporate Animals into it, how you can say ours is not an E-ticket attraction is beyond me.
I would say an e-ticket attraction needs to:
  • Be something on a grand scale
  • Something you can't get elsewhere
  • Something that lasts more than 10 minutes (besides a roller coaster)
  • Something that uses new technology or combines technologies in ways that haven't been done before.
  • Something that is jaw dropping.

As for needing an official team leader, we have strings of PMs that shows that we did stay on task, even though there was no official team leader.

Based on this criteria, our idea is an e-ticket attraction AND it actually fits within the theme of Animal Kingdom. I also have to comment about the deadlines, I fell you are expecting too much for a two week time period, what you are asking for is what it takes Imagineering 2-3 months to do and they can dedicate full time work to it, remember we have work or school and other things in our lives and they are in the same time zone. The work that has been turned in is good for two weeks of work, considering that there was probably about 4 hours of usable time per week. Yes, individuals might have more, but you put what appears to be the three people with the least amount of time together. I have been working 60+ hours a week, the others have school, etc.

Really based on what it appears you are looking for, I would say it would take Imagineering about 125 hours to complete, don't believe me? Here are the details:

  • Preliminary Research and Development: 40 Hours - This includes determining where to place it, getting facts correct, etc.
  • Preliminary Story Development: 40 Hours
  • Preliminary Visuals: 5 hours each * 5 = 25 Hours
  • Preliminary Ride Vehicle Design: 20 Hours

These are realistic number of working hours based on the detail level that is apparently being looked for, now obviously it would have to be an idea that is being seriously considered to get this kind of time devoted to it. The detail level that any of us have given would be substantial to get approval to go into more detail if the idea was liked. I can tell you that my numbers are fairly accurate within +/-10%, this is based on real world experience. Based on this, I am going to have to drop out, because I can't devote the amount of time that you are looking for to this project.

I just thought that you should have the realistic time that it would take for the detail level you are looking for.
 

Sassagoula-Rvr

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Kind of hit the nail on the head...With the time limit and the story as well...you're asking for a generic ride based on a movie...we were starting to get close to having a fairly good story put together but alas it's much to short for many of these things to get done.

Anyways your decision because you are the leader...regardless it probably worked out the best for me as I really don't have time to deal with this, athletics, and school/college prep for ACT and such, and life in general.
 

MaterA113

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Thanks all for your comments, you really are making me improve this game for the next time i do it...

I KNOW KNOW KNOW time is an issue, but i dont want to have each project last a month and then have the contest last a year.. that is just WAY TOO LONG... and i feel that if i gave you a longer pd of time, ppl MIGHT forget about the project... we will see
 

Disneyson 1

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Kind of hit the nail on the head...With the time limit and the story as well...you're asking for a generic ride based on a movie...we were starting to get close to having a fairly good story put together but alas it's much to short for many of these things to get done.

Anyways your decision because you are the leader...regardless it probably worked out the best for me as I really don't have time to deal with this, athletics, and school/college prep for ACT and such, and life in general.

No, we are not. We are asking for a STORY-DRIVEN experience (explained below) and hopefully something amazing that you could not do anywhere else in the world. A zoo attraction with a random array of nighttime animals can be done just about anywhere. Yes, the Pocahantas ride is similar to Splash Mountain, but it had an epic story (NOT taken directly from the movie, BTW) with rising and falling action... literally! It also had amazing detail and was generally something not possible to do at a normal flume at a lesser theme park. The Great Pyramid, though laking animals (by the way, so does Kali River Rapids), had a HUGE story that started even when you got onto the TRAIN to GET to the ride!! Plus, when am I EVER going to come into contact with an ancient egyptian god in a normal splashdown ride? The inclusion of Shrunken Ned does NOT mean "story". In each of the DAK lands (except for the generic petting zoo Conservation Station), there is a land in which you go and a story in which you're transported. This had none of that as you just had a random animal cruise with absolutely no story.

Even the JUNGLE CRUISE (which you came close to plagiarizing) has more of a story: The skipper travels through the jungles of Adventureland, (which is ALREADY an amalgamation of different jungles from all around the world), adventures into a temple and leaves. The end. YOUR ride was a journey through some random jungle that doesn't even exist in conservation station that happens to have all these creatures in no particular order that you explained. It was almost like "Let's see some animalz, kk?". Really? I expected WAY better from these talents that made it SO FAR into the competition. We're REALLY going to miss you, you had a GREAT energy that you added to the project. YOu also had some fantastic ideas that I'm afraid we'll have to wait (until next season, I hope!) to see. I hope you understand we're not dumping you on the idea... it was the execution and lack of detail. We didn't want a thrill ride, we wanted a ride with an epic story that is alluded to in the queue, shaped during the ride, and ending with some sort of payoff finale. Your ride had none of this.

Oh, and the TIME you spent on rides doesn't necessarily mean quality. QUALITY means quality.
 

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