Pleasure Island's Last night

WDWFigment said:

I don't know what you're referencing with the "business cards" bit, but on our recent trip we found some of the regulars to be really obnoxious. I won't even qualify this with a "no offense if anyone here is an obnoxious regular", because I actually intend offense (I don't intend offense to those regulars who regularly go to sit there and enjoy the show--there's no way of distinguishing you from an infrequent vacationer, anyway).

If you're one of the AC regulars who intentionally sticks out like a soar thumb, this is for you: I am not paying admission to hear some geek display his knowledge of how the show goes. Your knowledge of the show is thoroughly unimpressive. I am there to hear and see the actors, and there is a reason Disney is paying them, and not you.

I'm not talking about the typical audience interaction that's encouraged. I'm talking about unnecessary showboating, and an attempt to put the spotlight on them.

mkt, I would almost consider it a good thing that these folks don't like you.

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Stuff like this is why I've never gone to the AC. I don't think I can handle the regulars and still enjoy myself. AC seems like something you need to "get" before you even visit it.

Most of the castmembers can't stand the obnoxious regulars b/c they are constantly interrupting the shows. If you're going to be a regular, then blend in.

sbkline said:

That's all a matter of opinion, I guess. Myself, I'm glad to see it all go. I don't think that the bar scene has any place in WDW and I'm glad to see it all replaced with more family friendly entertainment.

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I don't understand why everybody feels the need to get defensive and fight about comments like this. Right away there were 2 sarcastic snaps back. Why? What's exactly wrong with this opinion. Especially when a few months ago there were articles left and right about rising crime at DTD? Maybe if they clear away some of the evening party attitude, it would clear up some of the mischief. Maybe not. Who knows? Disney has decided that $$$ is better made changing this venue. There are Bars at every resort. There is still PLENTY of places to drink at the Boardwalk. Epcot's WS is practically a giant bar. DHS has mobile drink stands every 100 ft. I don't think there is a lack of places to drink. I would say the number 1 reason was $$$ to change. But making one less place for guests to drive drunk from wouldn't hurt either.

But bashing a poster for being glad there are more family friendly spots to go gains what? DTD is like the 5th gate for many of us. We go 2-3 times a trip. There is a very uncomfortible transition from DTD to the West Side that could be a bit less colorful in some families point of view. What harm is done by saying that? Why so defensive? We get you have "freedoms" an whatever else you want to pound your chest about, but is this really a necessary battle? No. It's just one to pick a fight. The OP never said outlaw drinking at Disney. He said that he's glad the area will be more family friendly. Which it will be. Why knock him around because he ISN'T COMPLAINING about a Disney move? Wait, that's the purpose for this board. To hate every WDW decision. Ever.

JimboJones123 said:

But bashing a poster for being glad there are more family friendly spots to go gains what?

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Read all of his posts, not just the one you quoted. He believes that adults can't have fun without booze, suggests we all go putt-putt golfing instead and that anyone who drinks alcohol at WDW does so to get "sloshed."

Fallen Angel said:

:sohappy::sohappy::sohappy: I am going to have a no B*S tolerance with these people the last weekend AC is open. I was a 'regular' once and those people are catty. And I just found out who was passing out the 'business cards' a few weeks ago...:brick:

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Y'know... that is a refreshing thought. Maybe I can rebook.

Anyway, wanna PM me which regular it was?

WDWFigment said:

mkt, I would almost consider it a good thing that these folks don't like you.

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I will view it as a badge of honor.

Yes! I totally agree!!

I actually saw the colonel call out one of the regulars who was particularly annoying to my crew of AC newbies.

As I'm sure you can imagine we all heard the itemized list of songs to recommend, which characters were better than others, which "skit" was coming up next and the punchline to every joke seconds before it was actually given...the regular drivel of someone who feels the need to appear "special" simply by being in the same place night after night after night.

I gave one of these a few times then the colonel finally said, "Excuse me sir? You look familiar have a seen you before?"

He of course said yes (quite proudly)

Then the colonel said, "I recognize you from the front but I don't believe I've seen you from the back, so why don't we all get a good look as you climb the stairs and exit the door"

The man chuckled as the colonel stared and tapped his whip on the balcony. The colonel didn't say a word and it got a little awkward so we all started chuckling as the colonol pointed his whip towards the staircase and the man left.

It was quite entertaining and we all had a much better time after the know-it-all left

DivineMadness7 said:

Read all of his posts, not just the one you quoted. He believes that adults can't have fun without booze, suggests we all go putt-putt golfing instead and that anyone who drinks alcohol at WDW does so to get "sloshed."

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That's a bit of an exagerration. I'm not the one who said that adults can't have fun without booze. But from the sound of alot of others on here, I got the impression that some of you think that you can't have fun without it.

And no, I didn't say that anyone who drinks alcohol at WDW does so to get sloshed. I'm aware that there are numerous places, in the parks and out of the parks, which serve alcohol, and that many people enjoy having a beer or wine with their meal. I never said there's anything wrong with that. But from living in a college town, I have a preconceived notion in my mind of what it means to go clubbing. After spending the past 10+ years listening to college age kids at work bragging about how smashed they got on their bar hopping adventures, I have come to associate the bar scene, including the bar scene at WDW, with "hey, let's go out and get sloshed". Perhaps that's an incorrect association, but we all tend to view things through the lenses of our own experiences.

And yes, I did suggest that people could play mini-golf, among a host of other activities, in response to those who imply that there is absolutely nothing left at WDW anymore for adults who want to have a fun night out without the kids. Since my wife and I don't go clubbing, and manage to have plenty of fun at WDW without it, I thought I would offer suggestions as to what we do to have fun without a bottle in our hands so as to give some helpful ideas to those here who may otherwise be sitting in their hotel rooms drumming their fingers in boredom without the bar scene to entertain them.

And I don't understand why people have interpreted my opinions as being "anti-alcohol". Never have I said that alcohol should never touch one's lips. On the contrary, I have clearly stated that I don't see anything wrong with a drink now and then. I'm not arguing in favor of prohibition. I'm not arguing in favor of WDW eliminating all alcohol from their grounds. And I'm not arguing in favor of some fundamentalist dogma that states that you're a wicked person if you enjoy a can of beer now and then. I'm simply questioning why some people seem to think that they can't be entertained without it.

On the other hand, I also realize that, having never been there, it could be totally different than the stereotypical "bar scene" that I am envisioning in my mind based on my past experiences (and yes, I have been to some bars before, so I do have some frame of reference on which to base my assumptions) and perhaps these places would be fun places to visit even for those who don't drink.

The clubs at Pleasure Island are(were?) plenty fun without drinking. I suppose that's why they're closing down.

DivineMadness7 said:

Read all of his posts, not just the one you quoted. He believes that adults can't have fun without booze, suggests we all go putt-putt golfing instead and that anyone who drinks alcohol at WDW does so to get "sloshed."

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If you are going to reference the WHOLE DISCUSSION, look how he was poked and gang banged by the power team up right off the bat. Yes, after being bashed, he did expand his post and commented that he didn't understand the "need" for boozing. That's about it. What it comes down to, nobody want's to be told that they are being judged. That's what set the reply posters off. Should it have gone past the initial bashing? Probably not, but when asked to further explain himself, he said he doesn't understand the mindset of the drinker. What's really that wrong with that? He also said he would rather not be around that element and appreciated less of it around? SO? WHO CARES? Why does everybody feel the need to take it personally because a poster doesn't like being in a heavy drinking environment?

I was at a family party last night. Almost everybody there was a HEAVY drinker. I don't drink. Being hit head on by a drunk driver does that to a person. So yes, I'm biased against heavy drinking. But when an uncle is telling all of his drunkin run-ins with his son (who's 14) and how many times he was pulled over and "chummed" his way out of trouble, I got a bit to sick to stay. I couldn't endorse the heavy promotion of the greatness of drinking and driving to a kid who's barely in his teens. Same thing here. Not all Disney guests are comfortible with all the drinking going on there. And that's their right just as much as the drinker. Yes, he also has to accept "reasonable" friction from who may feel defensive about the posts. But not to the point of striking such a strong tidal wave of bashing. It was a bit too much and WAY overreacting.

PI is quite reasonable IMO

I think the point has been made that in its prime, PI was certainly a Disney quality attraction for the adults at WDW. It was quite an experience. I enjoy a drink, and though I seldom get "sloshed" it has happened. My wife and I love WDW. My kids are grown. So we travel on our own. I go to most restaurants on the resort and I usually have to be extremely patient with someone else’s kids who seem to think jumping next to our table is ideal. Apparently the parents agree because they never tell the little angels to sit down. For some reason some parents feel their kids are entitled to everything at the detriment of all others. The point is not just to be able to get away from your own kids, but everyone else’s too. Just a few places can't be too much to ask for. A place to not have to hope a parent will behave like one and have their kid respect someone else’s space too. When that day comes, I would probably agree, that a PI is not all that necessary (though the AC should be retained even if the rest of PI closes) I fear that day will never arrive though. So for those of us who do not travel with kids? That patiently deals with someone else’s occasionally less the respectful kids in 99% of the resort. Can't there be a sanctuary somewhere on property? Do I have to be tempted to get behind the wheel of a car, or pay a taxi to downtown Orlando to find that?

I love the fact that Disney is a family destination. I do not see that label being threatened by the existence of an adult’s only location on less than 1% of the property. Just my 2 cents.

JimboJones123 said:

If you are going to reference the WHOLE DISCUSSION, look how he was poked and gang banged by the power team up right off the bat. Yes, after being bashed, he did expand his post and commented that he didn't understand the "need" for boozing. That's about it. What it comes down to, nobody want's to be told that they are being judged. That's what set the reply posters off. Should it have gone past the initial bashing? Probably not, but when asked to further explain himself, he said he doesn't understand the mindset of the drinker. What's really that wrong with that? He also said he would rather not be around that element and appreciated less of it around? SO? WHO CARES? Why does everybody feel the need to take it personally because a poster doesn't like being in a heavy drinking environment?

I was at a family party last night. Almost everybody there was a HEAVY drinker. I don't drink. Being hit head on by a drunk driver does that to a person. So yes, I'm biased against heavy drinking. But when an uncle is telling all of his drunkin run-ins with his son (who's 14) and how many times he was pulled over and "chummed" his way out of trouble, I got a bit to sick to stay. I couldn't endorse the heavy promotion of the greatness of drinking and driving to a kid who's barely in his teens. Same thing here. Not all Disney guests are comfortible with all the drinking going on there. And that's their right just as much as the drinker. Yes, he also has to accept "reasonable" friction from who may feel defensive about the posts. But not to the point of striking such a strong tidal wave of bashing. It was a bit too much and WAY overreacting.

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Actually if you had a look at his first statement regarding alcohol you'll see it was a snotty and uncalled for remark directed toward me. I commented on how I thought that having more "family entertainment" was a silly thing to say for Disney because most of it is family entertainment and he said that I am "sad" because I cannot have a good time without drinking.

Frankly I could care less about his petty judgements but I can see why people bashed him for taking a comment and turning it into a personal insult.

I hardly think I am the "sad" one here

wdwfan100 said:

Can't there be a sanctuary somewhere on property? Do I have to be tempted to get behind the wheel of a car, or pay a taxi to downtown Orlando to find that?

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Sanctuary. That is the perfect word. Pleasure Island, in its prime, represented the only entertainment sanctuary from kids on the property. It is what I (single, childless, age 32) desire, occassionally, when I visit WDW.

The Cheap Way Out?

I know it couldn't cost them much to water the shrubs surronding PI. I myself have watered them many a times waiting for a bus @ 2am back to my resort. How many times i've just got to get on the last avalable bus and beg them to take me to Fort Wilderness when he was going Animal Kingdom lodge. ya know 360 days a year i'm a conservitive man i like to let loose i like to bring my family on vacation. or go on vacation with my entire family and now we're limited to where we go out for a few drinks.

oh and i have been on many trips to WDW w/o kids from the time i was old enough to vacation with friends we have made many a trips to WDW and PI was always a highlight... that and seeing if we could fill the entire front window of our "trailer" at FW with beer cans lol oh the old days

I_heart_Tigger said:

I actually saw the colonel call out one of the regulars who was particularly annoying to my crew of AC newbies.

As I'm sure you can imagine we all heard the itemized list of songs to recommend, which characters were better than others, which "skit" was coming up next and the punchline to every joke seconds before it was actually given...the regular drivel of someone who feels the need to appear "special" simply by being in the same place night after night after night.

I gave one of these a few times then the colonel finally said, "Excuse me sir? You look familiar have a seen you before?"

He of course said yes (quite proudly)

Then the colonel said, "I recognize you from the front but I don't believe I've seen you from the back, so why don't we all get a good look as you climb the stairs and exit the door"

The man chuckled as the colonel stared and tapped his whip on the balcony. The colonel didn't say a word and it got a little awkward so we all started chuckling as the colonol pointed his whip towards the staircase and the man left.

It was quite entertaining and we all had a much better time after the know-it-all left

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:sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy: :ROFLOL: :sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy:

I love it, one night i was there and a regular chased the actor playing Emil that night, till he ran back somewhere :lookaroun the colonel went off of break for a brief moment to annoy them and lecture him and his friends on different stuff, (including asking before taking a photo out there with a flash since thats what they claimed they wanted) it was brilliant.

I too have very fond memories of PI, and I did start going as a child of age 12. I remember dancing in the streets with my mom, and making friends with Frankie and the West End Boys (Patch is the best guitarist ever!). I met my very first boyfriend on the dance floor at the Rock and Roll Beach Club and sang along with Joan when she was playing Sadie at the AC, because she asked me to. I thought PI was,is and still could be a great idea, if it was returned to it's former glory.
No I don't drink, and I don't need to drink to have a good time. I don't mind kids running around having a good time, because I remember the good old days of dancing in the street. I will sadly miss PI. I understand the idea of supply and demand, but will treasure my memories forever. And to those who said they want a place where they don't have to be around screaming kids, let's please put the blame on the parents. My parents taught me how to be respectful of other people, and there is a serious lack of that being displayed at such wonderful "family" oriented places.

sbkline said:

That's a bit of an exagerration. I'm not the one who said that adults can't have fun without booze. But from the sound of alot of others on here, I got the impression that some of you think that you can't have fun without it.

And no, I didn't say that anyone who drinks alcohol at WDW does so to get sloshed. I'm aware that there are numerous places, in the parks and out of the parks, which serve alcohol, and that many people enjoy having a beer or wine with their meal. I never said there's anything wrong with that. But from living in a college town, I have a preconceived notion in my mind of what it means to go clubbing. After spending the past 10+ years listening to college age kids at work bragging about how smashed they got on their bar hopping adventures, I have come to associate the bar scene, including the bar scene at WDW, with "hey, let's go out and get sloshed". Perhaps that's an incorrect association, but we all tend to view things through the lenses of our own experiences.

And yes, I did suggest that people could play mini-golf, among a host of other activities, in response to those who imply that there is absolutely nothing left at WDW anymore for adults who want to have a fun night out without the kids. Since my wife and I don't go clubbing, and manage to have plenty of fun at WDW without it, I thought I would offer suggestions as to what we do to have fun without a bottle in our hands so as to give some helpful ideas to those here who may otherwise be sitting in their hotel rooms drumming their fingers in boredom without the bar scene to entertain them.

And I don't understand why people have interpreted my opinions as being "anti-alcohol". Never have I said that alcohol should never touch one's lips. On the contrary, I have clearly stated that I don't see anything wrong with a drink now and then. I'm not arguing in favor of prohibition. I'm not arguing in favor of WDW eliminating all alcohol from their grounds. And I'm not arguing in favor of some fundamentalist dogma that states that you're a wicked person if you enjoy a can of beer now and then. I'm simply questioning why some people seem to think that they can't be entertained without it.

On the other hand, I also realize that, having never been there, it could be totally different than the stereotypical "bar scene" that I am envisioning in my mind based on my past experiences (and yes, I have been to some bars before, so I do have some frame of reference on which to base my assumptions) and perhaps these places would be fun places to visit even for those who don't drink.

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well, there is your first problem... and your second wrapped up nicely. You are basing your opinion about PI on what you have seen in a college town, with college kids going clubbing

JimboJones123 said:

If you are going to reference the WHOLE DISCUSSION, look how he was poked and gang banged by the power team up right off the bat. Yes, after being bashed, he did expand his post and commented that he didn't understand the "need" for boozing. That's about it. What it comes down to, nobody want's to be told that they are being judged. That's what set the reply posters off. Should it have gone past the initial bashing? Probably not, but when asked to further explain himself, he said he doesn't understand the mindset of the drinker. What's really that wrong with that? He also said he would rather not be around that element and appreciated less of it around? SO? WHO CARES? Why does everybody feel the need to take it personally because a poster doesn't like being in a heavy drinking environment?

I was at a family party last night. Almost everybody there was a HEAVY drinker. I don't drink. Being hit head on by a drunk driver does that to a person. So yes, I'm biased against heavy drinking. But when an uncle is telling all of his drunkin run-ins with his son (who's 14) and how many times he was pulled over and "chummed" his way out of trouble, I got a bit to sick to stay. I couldn't endorse the heavy promotion of the greatness of drinking and driving to a kid who's barely in his teens. Same thing here. Not all Disney guests are comfortible with all the drinking going on there. And that's their right just as much as the drinker. Yes, he also has to accept "reasonable" friction from who may feel defensive about the posts. But not to the point of striking such a strong tidal wave of bashing. It was a bit too much and WAY overreacting.

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Jimbo, it isn't just from this thread. It is a storied past of sbkline shoving his close minded, uber conservative values in the face of others and judging them (based on his). I ignore them 99% of the time, but when he starts to make argument about peoples right to have fun with what ever they choose, that is magnified by what he has said in the past. He might have explained his point, but usually it is after the fact and a smart comment.

I could potentially have to same values as he, but it isn't right to shove them in peoples face. BTW, he has admitted before to being sheltered and a bit conservative. That is fine.... I'm not knocking his lifestyle, don't knock mine.

Power Team: awesome. I never got the memo I'm a member

Now, the arguement is old and tired, lets go grab a beer.

I am looking to go on the last night if anyone is interested in meeting..pm me...

I_heart_Tigger said:

too true...Disney is lacking in the "Family Entertainment" sector...why, Oh why haven't they noticed this before.

Shocking that they would have even considered that people may want to have one little pocket of the world to escape the sweet little voices of children...I guess they will now see that adult only entertainment has no place in the world.

And now I must go forth and multiply so I can contribute to the stroller-derby.

I hope they realize now that every single person at Disney World, has kids, loves kids and wants to be surrounded by hundreds of kids everywhere they travel in the world...happy, happy times :hammer:


(*they still sell booze at the contemporary, right? I'll make my own PI in my room...anyone without kids is invited*)

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Well put!

The sooner PI closes the better…even if only to simply end this nonsense.

The fact is, if “adult only” entertainment were actually in demand at WDW, there would be some. Some of you people have to pull yourselves up by the boot straps and move on…seriously. If you feel you have to “get away from the kiddies”, then vacation elsewhere, or leave WDW for a night or two. I am not sure why you think WDW has to cater to the small percentage of adults that want something like PI. I don’t go to WDW or DL and then get upset because there is a lack of giant 120mph roller coasters…that is not what it is about!!

I wonder when people will ever enjoy WDW for what it is…not for what it isn’t, or what it was, or what they want it to be, or etc etc?

Oh, wait…probably never.