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Funmeister

Well-Known Member
This is not the appropriate thread for your dreams. There is an entire section on this form dedicated to that kind of crap.

Actually it is appropriate. It wasnt just a random blue sky dream of an idea. We were speaking of how the money could have been better utilized that was wasted on the current Fantasyland. Please keep up. #angryphotodave LOL I should have kept you on ignore. lol
 

MerlinTheGoat

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I too think it's appropriate to look at how $500 million could have been spent if Disney didn't suffer from the bloat that causes them to blow through cash. It puts things into perspective for how Universal is able to do things, and how Disney used to do it. Any of those attractions listed could be swapped out for anything else, it goes to show how incredibly far $500 million could have gone in better hands.
 

PhotoDave219

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It's one random guy in Twitter who said he heard someone call it Yeti part 2. Typical move. He's not saying its from him so If it opens tomorrow he can say it wasn't him that said it he was just repeating what he heard. If it makes you feel any better I "heard someone say" there were no issues and the Twitter rumor was complete bunk.

So essentially, nobody has anything of substance and it's all conjecture and BS at the moment, right?
 

MerlinTheGoat

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One problem...not your ideas...your pricing is based on Universal spending and NOT WDI. That proposal would push $1billion based on Disney math.
It would probably cost even more than that. Cars Land cost somewhere around $1 billion as far as i've heard (I've heard some claim 1.1 to 1.4 billion even, though i'm unsure how much of that includes the rest of DCA's redo such as Mermaid). The FLE proposal he's hypothesizing has a lot more rides and potentially even greater amounts of theming than Cars, not to mention the overhauls of the current rides he's allotted. I could easily see such a project getting up around 2 or even possibly 2.5 billion (hell maybe more) considering his proposal is a good 4-5 times more ambitious than what was actually built.
 
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PhotoDave219

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I too think it's appropriate to look at how $500 million could have been spent if Disney didn't suffer from the bloat that causes them to blow through cash. It puts things into perspective for how Universal is able to do things, and how Disney used to do it. Any of those attractions listed could be swapped out for anything else, it goes to show how incredibly far $500 million could have gone in better hands.

Getting into the minutia of somebody's blue sky just doesn't belong here. We have specific blue sky forms. That is entirely different then discussing "exactly what the hell Disney get for 500 million" does.

Asking exactly what goes into these bloaded and inflated budgets is a worthwhile question of any public company…
 

71jason

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It wasnt just a random blue sky dream of an idea.

It's a thrown-together detailed suggestion of what could be built but wasn't and never, ever will be. That's about as perfect an example of "random blue sky dream of an idea" as you're going to find. But hey, if you're into that sort of mental masturbation, there's an entire subforum dealing with it! This thread ain't in that subforum, tho.
 

the.dreamfinder

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Regarding comparisons of how WDI and UNI Creative spend their budgets, the best person to answer that is @whylightbulb since he has worked for both. I believe a year or so ago he posted a very detailed description of how UNI outsources work and uses competing vendors to get the best price.

EDIT: Here is the aforementioned post
The answer to this question is complicated. Basically, Universal spends about 20 to 25 percent of an attraction's development budget on soft costs (design, admin, management etc.). Disney can go up to 30 to 40 percent in some cases. The reasons, in part, for Disney's higher soft costs are R&D as well as layers of wasted management labor costs. Universal will rely heavily on "free" work from its vendors to bid on a much less developed concept design package. The vendors will have to develop these bid packages to the point that Disney would have released its bid packages (whether these bid packages are going in-house or out to a sub makes no difference). For the Universal vendors to get these design documents up to the point of putting in a decent bid they will need to dedicate some resources to flesh out the basic concepts communicated from Creative Studios in minimal drawings and beat lists etc. So what ends up happening is UC gets a lot of free design work because these vendors want the job and will develop the basic concepts to a level that they can estimate budget and schedule requirements. Disney will have already gotten that far before submitting its bid packages.

As far as red tape and bureaucracy Disney wins big time on that one. Universal has its fair share but WDI's bloated management structure and recent history of hiring lower grade talent, just because they may hold more college degrees for example (I am positive that, were he alive today, if Walt Disney himself were to apply at WDI he would be turned down), makes Disney extremely inefficient.

The fact that WDI allocates a much higher percentage of project resources to R&D also adds to their higher costs.

There are more reasons but that will give you a start in understanding the differences.
 
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articos

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Regarding comparisons of how WDI and UNI Creative spend their budgets, the best person to answer that is @whylightbulb since he has worked for both. I believe a year or so ago he posted a very detailed description of how UNI outsources work and uses competing vendors to get the best price.

EDIT: Here is the aforementioned post
Lightbulb's post is spot on.
 

Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
Regarding comparisons of how WDI and UNI Creative spend their budgets, the best person to answer that is @whylightbulb since he has worked for both. I believe a year or so ago he posted a very detailed description of how UNI outsources work and uses competing vendors to get the best price.

EDIT: Here is the aforementioned post

Thank you, that's exactly the sort of response I was hoping to get. It makes sense and it could be fixed to the point that Disney could build new attractions while still maintaining the same budgets they currently have to build far less. It's pretty sad, buearucracy and 'control freak' management styles lead to this sort of thing. Managers who also need to justify their existence lead to this. Every company has divisions where there is a pretty useless layer of management that exists only to keep friends of senior management employed (at least that's one reason why).
 
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Vipraa

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It would probably cost even more than that. Cars Land cost somewhere around $1 billion as far as i've heard (I've heard some claim 1.1 to 1.4 billion even, though i'm unsure how much of that includes the rest of DCA's redo such as Mermaid). The FLE proposal he's hypothesizing has a lot more rides and potentially even greater amounts of theming than Cars, not to mention the overhauls of the current rides he's allotted. I could easily see such a project getting up around 2 or even possibly 2.5 billion (hell maybe more) considering his proposal is a good 4-5 times more ambitious than what was actually built.

Cars Land was around 400 million with RSR being about half of that price. A lot of that cost was the huge amount of rock work and theming. The entire DCA overhaul was around 1.1 billion.
 

WDW1974

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Original Poster
Not much time this afternoon for MAGICal hijinks.

But Jason Garcia, who I generally view as a poor reporter and waste of space, just put this story up. And I love the Disney vs. UNI debates almost as much as a refillable mug thread or social media one ... btw, wdwgems.com still up and open for folks to ask for invites.

<<
:30 pm, April 19, 2014
Universal Orlando's second Harry Potter land is set to open by summer, and that could be bad news for Walt Disney World and SeaWorld Orlando.

An analysis of theme-park attendance data shows that Universal took visitor market share from its rival resorts after the original Wizarding World of Harry Potter opened in Universal's Islands of Adventure park in 2010.

Disney World's share of Orlando theme-park traffic shrank from 74.9 percent in 2009, the year before the first Wizarding World debuted, to 71.3 percent in 2012, the most recent year for which figures are available. SeaWorld's share dropped from 9.1 percent to 7.9 percent.

Universal's piece of the pie, meanwhile, grew from 16 percent to 20.8 percent during the same period.

Driven almost entirely by Universal's growth, total Orlando attendance rose 7.2 percent, from 63.5 million in 2009 to 68 million in 2012. Disney World's attendance grew modestly during the period, while SeaWorld's declined.

"To see that kind of shift in market share is really phenomenal," said Dennis Speigel, president of International Theme Park Services, a consulting business in Cincinnati. "Very seldom do we ever see that kind of shift in competitive markets."

Universal would not comment. But executives at the resort's parent company, cable operator Comcast Corp., have said in the past they expect to gain more market share, particularly once the Wizarding World of Harry Potter — Diagon Alley opens at Universal Studios Florida.

"We're doubling down on theme parks," Comcast Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Brian Roberts told analysts at a conference in January. "We have a low market share — and only one way to go."

The market-share calculations are based on annual attendance estimates compiled by the Themed Entertainment Association and the consulting company AECOM. Because the theme parks do not disclose figures themselves, the TEA/AECOM estimates are widely used across the industry. SeaWorld Entertainment Inc., for example, cites the reports in regulatory filings.

Attendance estimates for 2013 are expected to be released in about a month.

Both Disney and SeaWorld officials would not directly answer questions about why they think they have lost market share and whether they expect further losses once Diagon Alley opens.

"We are very pleased with the performance of our parks and resorts business," Disney World spokeswoman Jacquee Wahler said. "As we've publicly reported, we continue to set attendance records, invest in our product and provide more reasons for guests to return."

SeaWorld said attendance alone is not enough to accurately evaluate its performance.

"Analysis of a theme park company's performance should include revenue, operating profits, and the free cash flow that factors into the cost of building and financing new attractions," the company said in a written statement.

"SeaWorld Entertainment does not report attendance on a park-by-park basis, but last year generated its third consecutive year of record revenue and operating profit. That performance is based in part on strong attendance in our SeaWorld-branded parks."

Not surprisingly, Universal's Islands of Adventure, as home to the original Harry Potter attraction, made the biggest gain among individual gates in Orlando, with its market share rising from 7.3 percent in 2009 to 11.7 percent in 2012. Neighboring Universal Studios Florida grew more modestly, from 8.7 percent to 9.1 percent.

All four of Disney World's theme parks ceded ground during the period. The biggest decline occurred at its biggest park — Magic Kingdom — whose share slipped from 27.2 percent to 25.8 percent.

Analysts say various factors likely have contributed to the shifts. Both Disney World and SeaWorld have added only a few major attractions since Universal launched Wizarding World. The bulk of Disney World's Fantasyland expansion in the Magic Kingdom didn't open until late 2012, while SeaWorld's Antarctica: Empire of the Penguin attraction didn't arrive until early 2013.

Disney World has aggressively raised prices since 2010, with company executives saying they were willing to sacrifice some attendance and hotel bookings in order to rebuild pricing after the global recession. And SeaWorld endured an extended stretch of negative publicity after the February 2010 death of a killer-whale trainer and the protracted litigation that followed.

Universal also struggled through a prolonged attendance slump in the years before Wizarding World opened.

Still, "there's no question that Harry Potter was the biggest driver" of the market-share shifts, Speigel said.

Executives at Disney and SeaWorld have said in the past that they expected to get a bit of a boost themselves from Potter.

"When a competitor puts a good property in the marketplace, it brings more people to the market …. And we all know that's good for us because we usually get a good piece of all visitation to Orlando," Walt Disney Co. Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Bob Iger told analysts in early 2011, responding to a question about the impact of the original Wizarding World.

And late last year, in response to a question about Diagon Alley's impending opening, SeaWorld President and CEO Jim Atchison told analysts, "That's actually a benefit for the whole destination. ... It tends to help raise all the ships, if you will."

But the attendance figures show that Universal has claimed almost all of Orlando's theme-park attendance growth since Wizarding World debuted. Combined traffic at Universal's two parks soared 39.6 percent from 2009 to 2012, swelling by more than 4 million visitors in all.

By contrast, Walt Disney World's overall attendance grew by 2.1 percent during the same period, as the resort added about 996,000 more visitors. One of Disney World's four parks — Epcot — was essentially flat during the period, with attendance inching up by 0.7 percent.

And SeaWorld's attendance declined during the period, dropping 7.6 percent — a loss of about 442,000 visitors.

Scott Smith, an assistant professor at the University of South Carolina, said Universal is doing a better job of keeping more of its traffic on property, as Disney World tries to do. And he said that should continue this year with the opening of a fourth on-property hotel, the 1,800-room Cabana Bay Beach Resort.

"Having two parks, plus the CityWalk area, plus the resorts — they're now able to keep people almost exclusively on their property," Smith said.

jrgarcia@tribune.com or 407-420-5414
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Did I wake up in a world where the Michael Jackson, Woody Allen, and Roman Polanski scandals didn't happen? This is nothing new in Hollywood

That really isn't the point. And those scandals didn't exactly turn out well for any of the players except Woody, and the long term jury is still out on that one.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Not much time this afternoon for MAGICal hijinks.

But Jason Garcia, who I generally view as a poor reporter and waste of space, just put this story up. And I love the Disney vs. UNI debates almost as much as a refillable mug thread or social media one ... btw, wdwgems.com still up and open for folks to ask for invites.

<<
:30 pm, April 19, 2014
Universal Orlando's second Harry Potter land is set to open by summer, and that could be bad news for Walt Disney World and SeaWorld Orlando.

An analysis of theme-park attendance data shows that Universal took visitor market share from its rival resorts after the original Wizarding World of Harry Potter opened in Universal's Islands of Adventure park in 2010.

Disney World's share of Orlando theme-park traffic shrank from 74.9 percent in 2009, the year before the first Wizarding World debuted, to 71.3 percent in 2012, the most recent year for which figures are available. SeaWorld's share dropped from 9.1 percent to 7.9 percent.

Universal's piece of the pie, meanwhile, grew from 16 percent to 20.8 percent during the same period.

Driven almost entirely by Universal's growth, total Orlando attendance rose 7.2 percent, from 63.5 million in 2009 to 68 million in 2012. Disney World's attendance grew modestly during the period, while SeaWorld's declined.

"To see that kind of shift in market share is really phenomenal," said Dennis Speigel, president of International Theme Park Services, a consulting business in Cincinnati. "Very seldom do we ever see that kind of shift in competitive markets."

Universal would not comment. But executives at the resort's parent company, cable operator Comcast Corp., have said in the past they expect to gain more market share, particularly once the Wizarding World of Harry Potter — Diagon Alley opens at Universal Studios Florida.

"We're doubling down on theme parks," Comcast Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Brian Roberts told analysts at a conference in January. "We have a low market share — and only one way to go."

The market-share calculations are based on annual attendance estimates compiled by the Themed Entertainment Association and the consulting company AECOM. Because the theme parks do not disclose figures themselves, the TEA/AECOM estimates are widely used across the industry. SeaWorld Entertainment Inc., for example, cites the reports in regulatory filings.

Attendance estimates for 2013 are expected to be released in about a month.

Both Disney and SeaWorld officials would not directly answer questions about why they think they have lost market share and whether they expect further losses once Diagon Alley opens.

"We are very pleased with the performance of our parks and resorts business," Disney World spokeswoman Jacquee Wahler said. "As we've publicly reported, we continue to set attendance records, invest in our product and provide more reasons for guests to return."

SeaWorld said attendance alone is not enough to accurately evaluate its performance.

"Analysis of a theme park company's performance should include revenue, operating profits, and the free cash flow that factors into the cost of building and financing new attractions," the company said in a written statement.

"SeaWorld Entertainment does not report attendance on a park-by-park basis, but last year generated its third consecutive year of record revenue and operating profit. That performance is based in part on strong attendance in our SeaWorld-branded parks."

Not surprisingly, Universal's Islands of Adventure, as home to the original Harry Potter attraction, made the biggest gain among individual gates in Orlando, with its market share rising from 7.3 percent in 2009 to 11.7 percent in 2012. Neighboring Universal Studios Florida grew more modestly, from 8.7 percent to 9.1 percent.

All four of Disney World's theme parks ceded ground during the period. The biggest decline occurred at its biggest park — Magic Kingdom — whose share slipped from 27.2 percent to 25.8 percent.

Analysts say various factors likely have contributed to the shifts. Both Disney World and SeaWorld have added only a few major attractions since Universal launched Wizarding World. The bulk of Disney World's Fantasyland expansion in the Magic Kingdom didn't open until late 2012, while SeaWorld's Antarctica: Empire of the Penguin attraction didn't arrive until early 2013.

Disney World has aggressively raised prices since 2010, with company executives saying they were willing to sacrifice some attendance and hotel bookings in order to rebuild pricing after the global recession. And SeaWorld endured an extended stretch of negative publicity after the February 2010 death of a killer-whale trainer and the protracted litigation that followed.

Universal also struggled through a prolonged attendance slump in the years before Wizarding World opened.

Still, "there's no question that Harry Potter was the biggest driver" of the market-share shifts, Speigel said.

Executives at Disney and SeaWorld have said in the past that they expected to get a bit of a boost themselves from Potter.

"When a competitor puts a good property in the marketplace, it brings more people to the market …. And we all know that's good for us because we usually get a good piece of all visitation to Orlando," Walt Disney Co. Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Bob Iger told analysts in early 2011, responding to a question about the impact of the original Wizarding World.

And late last year, in response to a question about Diagon Alley's impending opening, SeaWorld President and CEO Jim Atchison told analysts, "That's actually a benefit for the whole destination. ... It tends to help raise all the ships, if you will."

But the attendance figures show that Universal has claimed almost all of Orlando's theme-park attendance growth since Wizarding World debuted. Combined traffic at Universal's two parks soared 39.6 percent from 2009 to 2012, swelling by more than 4 million visitors in all.

By contrast, Walt Disney World's overall attendance grew by 2.1 percent during the same period, as the resort added about 996,000 more visitors. One of Disney World's four parks — Epcot — was essentially flat during the period, with attendance inching up by 0.7 percent.

And SeaWorld's attendance declined during the period, dropping 7.6 percent — a loss of about 442,000 visitors.

Scott Smith, an assistant professor at the University of South Carolina, said Universal is doing a better job of keeping more of its traffic on property, as Disney World tries to do. And he said that should continue this year with the opening of a fourth on-property hotel, the 1,800-room Cabana Bay Beach Resort.

"Having two parks, plus the CityWalk area, plus the resorts — they're now able to keep people almost exclusively on their property," Smith said.

jrgarcia@tribune.com or 407-420-5414
Hrm....

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Which one is Disney again?
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
Not much time this afternoon for MAGICal hijinks.

But Jason Garcia, who I generally view as a poor reporter and waste of space, just put this story up. And I love the Disney vs. UNI debates almost as much as a refillable mug thread or social media one ... btw, wdwgems.com still up and open for folks to ask for invites.

<<
:30 pm, April 19, 2014
Universal Orlando's second Harry Potter land is set to open by summer, and that could be bad news for Walt Disney World and SeaWorld Orlando.

An analysis of theme-park attendance data shows that Universal took visitor market share from its rival resorts after the original Wizarding World of Harry Potter opened in Universal's Islands of Adventure park in 2010.

Disney World's share of Orlando theme-park traffic shrank from 74.9 percent in 2009, the year before the first Wizarding World debuted, to 71.3 percent in 2012, the most recent year for which figures are available. SeaWorld's share dropped from 9.1 percent to 7.9 percent.

Universal's piece of the pie, meanwhile, grew from 16 percent to 20.8 percent during the same period.

Driven almost entirely by Universal's growth, total Orlando attendance rose 7.2 percent, from 63.5 million in 2009 to 68 million in 2012. Disney World's attendance grew modestly during the period, while SeaWorld's declined.

"To see that kind of shift in market share is really phenomenal," said Dennis Speigel, president of International Theme Park Services, a consulting business in Cincinnati. "Very seldom do we ever see that kind of shift in competitive markets."

Universal would not comment. But executives at the resort's parent company, cable operator Comcast Corp., have said in the past they expect to gain more market share, particularly once the Wizarding World of Harry Potter — Diagon Alley opens at Universal Studios Florida.

"We're doubling down on theme parks," Comcast Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Brian Roberts told analysts at a conference in January. "We have a low market share — and only one way to go."

The market-share calculations are based on annual attendance estimates compiled by the Themed Entertainment Association and the consulting company AECOM. Because the theme parks do not disclose figures themselves, the TEA/AECOM estimates are widely used across the industry. SeaWorld Entertainment Inc., for example, cites the reports in regulatory filings.

Attendance estimates for 2013 are expected to be released in about a month.

Both Disney and SeaWorld officials would not directly answer questions about why they think they have lost market share and whether they expect further losses once Diagon Alley opens.

"We are very pleased with the performance of our parks and resorts business," Disney World spokeswoman Jacquee Wahler said. "As we've publicly reported, we continue to set attendance records, invest in our product and provide more reasons for guests to return."

SeaWorld said attendance alone is not enough to accurately evaluate its performance.

"Analysis of a theme park company's performance should include revenue, operating profits, and the free cash flow that factors into the cost of building and financing new attractions," the company said in a written statement.

"SeaWorld Entertainment does not report attendance on a park-by-park basis, but last year generated its third consecutive year of record revenue and operating profit. That performance is based in part on strong attendance in our SeaWorld-branded parks."

Not surprisingly, Universal's Islands of Adventure, as home to the original Harry Potter attraction, made the biggest gain among individual gates in Orlando, with its market share rising from 7.3 percent in 2009 to 11.7 percent in 2012. Neighboring Universal Studios Florida grew more modestly, from 8.7 percent to 9.1 percent.

All four of Disney World's theme parks ceded ground during the period. The biggest decline occurred at its biggest park — Magic Kingdom — whose share slipped from 27.2 percent to 25.8 percent.

Analysts say various factors likely have contributed to the shifts. Both Disney World and SeaWorld have added only a few major attractions since Universal launched Wizarding World. The bulk of Disney World's Fantasyland expansion in the Magic Kingdom didn't open until late 2012, while SeaWorld's Antarctica: Empire of the Penguin attraction didn't arrive until early 2013.

Disney World has aggressively raised prices since 2010, with company executives saying they were willing to sacrifice some attendance and hotel bookings in order to rebuild pricing after the global recession. And SeaWorld endured an extended stretch of negative publicity after the February 2010 death of a killer-whale trainer and the protracted litigation that followed.

Universal also struggled through a prolonged attendance slump in the years before Wizarding World opened.

Still, "there's no question that Harry Potter was the biggest driver" of the market-share shifts, Speigel said.

Executives at Disney and SeaWorld have said in the past that they expected to get a bit of a boost themselves from Potter.

"When a competitor puts a good property in the marketplace, it brings more people to the market …. And we all know that's good for us because we usually get a good piece of all visitation to Orlando," Walt Disney Co. Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Bob Iger told analysts in early 2011, responding to a question about the impact of the original Wizarding World.

And late last year, in response to a question about Diagon Alley's impending opening, SeaWorld President and CEO Jim Atchison told analysts, "That's actually a benefit for the whole destination. ... It tends to help raise all the ships, if you will."

But the attendance figures show that Universal has claimed almost all of Orlando's theme-park attendance growth since Wizarding World debuted. Combined traffic at Universal's two parks soared 39.6 percent from 2009 to 2012, swelling by more than 4 million visitors in all.

By contrast, Walt Disney World's overall attendance grew by 2.1 percent during the same period, as the resort added about 996,000 more visitors. One of Disney World's four parks — Epcot — was essentially flat during the period, with attendance inching up by 0.7 percent.

And SeaWorld's attendance declined during the period, dropping 7.6 percent — a loss of about 442,000 visitors.

Scott Smith, an assistant professor at the University of South Carolina, said Universal is doing a better job of keeping more of its traffic on property, as Disney World tries to do. And he said that should continue this year with the opening of a fourth on-property hotel, the 1,800-room Cabana Bay Beach Resort.

"Having two parks, plus the CityWalk area, plus the resorts — they're now able to keep people almost exclusively on their property," Smith said.

jrgarcia@tribune.com or 407-420-5414
No quotes from Lou or any other lowlifers in that article?
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
You're missing the point. A sex scandal at TWDC/WDI would have much more fallout and would require a very carefully crafted response.

Yes, this is it.

THAT was my point because Disney has a known problem (at least in the business) of Imagineers stepping over the line with underage boys ... and you'd think the Jerry Sandusky/Penn State scandal would have had them waking up a bit that when 15-year-olds are hanging out with 50-somethings and getting access to construction sites and trailers that they just might want to pay attention to what their employees are doing.

Singer isn't affecting Disney in any major way, no matter how guilty he may be (and anyone who is in the business knows that Bryan has had a thing for boys for a very long time.) I used the situation to illustrate a problem that Disney has, but doesn't seem to care. Much like associating with Lifestyle whores with all sorts of baggage of their own ... because you know ... it isn't like Disney doesn't have a huge and powerful Legal Department who should be vetting people and warning of liabilities.

And just to tie this with social media, can you imagine Dr. Blondie, Bland Tommy, or Crazy Gary having to address questions on a serious subject like the above? Nope, me neither.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Oh, and on the subject of Disney Resorts and the problems they are having, especially at the deluxe end, that I mentioned and @ParentsOf4 wrote a thesis on, I wanted to add a bit.

The idea that Disney isn't aware they are chasing away the top of the market isn't accurate at all. They know it. That's part of the plan. Folks who are truly used to staying at Ritz Carlton or the Four Seasons or even simply a typical big city Marriott know that Disney's top of the line resorts no longer can even attempt to compete.

They know the rubes (especially those 9/11 defense job beneficiaries) simply don't know any better. They don't get what a $607 BLT studio should be or a $521 a night BWI room because they used to stay at a Comfort Inn on the side of the Interstate for $49.99 a night with a coupon from a travel book picked up at the IHOP... and that is why Disney continues to play these hotel games.

Understand this, WDW could make money with deluxe rooms topping out at $200-300 a night, with moderate rooms topping out at $125-150 a night and with values topping out at $75 a night. Big profits. But not under the current business model. That model seeks every increasing profit by offering an ever lesser quality product.

This model leads to disaster. Because even the rubes can't/won't pay the type of rates that Disney now commands and the amount of foreigners who will is finite.
 

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