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Angel Ariel

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Both of you are missing the bigger point: why would Disney care that Rivers of Light doesn't test well with pre-K'ers? It's not as if the park caters to their age range - nearly every ride has a height requirement or a scare factor with the exception of Safari and the shows.

Maybe the "Disney cares what pre-K kids think of Rivers of Light" rumor is groundless, or maybe Disney can't see the forest for the trees. Beats me which it is.
Actually, I understood your point quite well. And my point is that while the headliners may not cater to their age range, there is certainly *plenty* for them to do in the park. Disney's main demographic is families with children (many of them younger children). They've wanted AK to be more than a half day park for a while, to pull the strain off of MK in the evenings (or so I read). They're not pulling strain off MK at all if there's nothing for the preK age at Animal Kingdom after dark (which, we'd all agree, they are lacking for that age range *at night*). It'll take more than a well-testing ROL to accomplish that, though.
 

kpilcher

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Because the # of points defined for the property are set up front... the # of rooms actually in circulation is ramped up over time. You are reading too much into the wording 'controlled by DVC' - it's all DVC (eventually). They are referring to the points.
Well, thanks!! I always appreciate when I can learn something!
 

FigmentJedi

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IP is not synonymous with film. The idea that themed entertainment has to follow film has nothing to do with the nature of intellectual property. It is "IPs in IPs" and it is nonsensical that theme parks need to copy film to somehow be understood and accepted.
Not to mention that park attractions are more then capable of becoming IPs unto themselves. Untapped franchise potential abound in the various original attractions.
 

Cosmic Commando

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I'm not at all saying you're wrong.. but why would DVC not control 100% of DVC inventory??
Also...as you quoted: "For every Use Day, 85.8% of the resort can be booked using DVC points; the remaining 14.2% is still owned and controlled by Disney" Please help unconfuse me.
The "resort" that they're talking about is not the Poly like we're used to thinking of it. The regular old Poly has had part of it disappear and is called Disney's Polynesian Village Resort. The resort that they're talking about is Disney's Polynesian Villas & Bungalows, which is just the DVC part, legally separate from the old Poly. It happens all over where there is DVC metastasized to an existing resort. The Wilderness Lodge, the Boulder Ridge Villas, and the Copper Creek Villas are each their own, separate "resort", for example.
 

asianway

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I'm not at all saying you're wrong.. but why would DVC not control 100% of DVC inventory??
Also...as you quoted: "For every Use Day, 85.8% of the resort can be booked using DVC points; the remaining 14.2% is still owned and controlled by Disney" Please help unconfuse me.
The bottom line is who pays to operate the room and who is eligible to occupy it. The 14% is DVDs responsibility to bear all costs, and rent all the rooms.

There are several cost advantages to slowly deeding the points to the condo
 

lazyboy97o

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Not to mention that park attractions are more then capable of becoming IPs unto themselves. Untapped franchise potential abound in the various original attractions.
Emphasis added. You actually do exactly what I'm refuting. Something becomes intellectual property when it is created. It is not some higher status that things attain, namely by becoming a film.
 

doctornick

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Actually, I understood your point quite well. And my point is that while the headliners may not cater to their age range, there is certainly *plenty* for them to do in the park. Disney's main demographic is families with children (many of them younger children). They've wanted AK to be more than a half day park for a while, to pull the strain off of MK in the evenings (or so I read). They're not pulling strain off MK at all if there's nothing for the preK age at Animal Kingdom after dark (which, we'd all agree, they are lacking for that age range *at night*). It'll take more than a well-testing ROL to accomplish that, though.

I actually think Pandora at night is going to be big with kids (and adults). I mean, look at how well the light up junk they sell at the parades does -- you basically will have a whole land full of that kind of illumination. Also, there is supposed to be some sort of interactive elements in the land which may very well appeal to younger guests.

No one has mentioned Wilderness Explorers which is something else in the park that can engross children (not sure if that continues at night).

I don't disagree that the park could benefit from some additional calmer, no height restriction rides but at least NRJ is a step in the right direction.

I wouldn't be surprised if they add a dance party somewhere (perhaps the FOTLK theater) at night at some point for greater kiddie entertainment.
 

Phil12

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No, that's not what your article says. The 85.8% number is a percentage WITHIN the DVC inventory.. not the whole Poly Resort.
http://dvcnews.com/index.php/resort...olynesian-villas-bungalows?utm_source=dlvr.it

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Including this latest declaration, 16 bungalows and 312 studios have now been added to the DVC inventory. This accounts for 3,460,724 points, or 85.8% of the Polynesian’s 4,032,720 total points. There are four bungalows and 48 studios that have not yet been declared for the DVC inventory.

This declaration gives DVC members access to more rooms at the Polynesian. For every Use Day, 85.8% of the resort can be booked using DVC points; the remaining 14.2% is still owned and controlled by Disney, which can use it for cash reservations or other ways it desires."

This is talking about how much of the total DVC inventory has been released to sales/use. It's not talking about DVC vs remainder of Poly property.
There are no sales, ownership or fee simple title in a DVC agreement. The entire property is still owned by Disney and they can use it anyway they desire at anytime. Ownership or use of DVC points has nothing to do with property ownership. DVC is a long term and very expensive property lease.
 

Angel Ariel

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A nighttime show is way past most of their bedtimes anyway.

Most families I know are more than willing to have a later night than usual (or a couple) on vacation. They tend to schedule the trip to fit those experiences in (either having a late start time that morning, or sleeping in the morning after). There's always plenty of preschool aged kids at Wishes and Illuminations.
 

WDWTank

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We're talking about IPs in the park. Not IPs in IPs.
I like some ips in the park to create balance, but not if they're placed in the wrong location (or park). :)
A good example of a properly used ip is Buzz lightyear in Tomorrowland. The Ride is not of book-report type; it only uses Buzz to instruct guests to defeat Evil Zurg and his minions. Plus, the Ride is EXTREMELY POPULAR! :) If it ain't broke, don't fix! ;)
 

Mike S

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This seems to fit here..


Lol, more like fanboys :hilarious:
I think it goes way beyond just doing what they think kids will like. There has long been a line of thought that views what is now known as themed entertainment as anything from lowly, crass, carny commercialism to outright evil. It is a line of thought that comes from many of the same types of places as Disney's leadership has since the 1980s.
Shows what they know about why Disneyland was built in the first place.
We're talking about IPs in the park. Not IPs in IPs.
The parks are their own IP.
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kpilcher

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The "resort" that they're talking about is not the Poly like we're used to thinking of it. The regular old Poly has had part of it disappear and is called Disney's Polynesian Village Resort. The resort that they're talking about is Disney's Polynesian Villas & Bungalows, which is just the DVC part, legally separate from the old Poly. It happens all over where there is DVC metastasized to an existing resort. The Wilderness Lodge, the Boulder Ridge Villas, and the Copper Creek Villas are each their own, separate "resort", for example.
Thanks!!!
 

lazyboy97o

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Not sure if this is sarcasm, but there's an element of truth here. Certain classic attractions probably have better name recognition than some intellectual property counterparts. As a concept, what are people more familiar with Space Mountain or Tron? it's a small world or Frozen?
"Intellectual property counterparts" is still a nonsense distinction. The whole theme park experience, without film associations, is intellectual property. Copyright, trademarks and patents all apply. The constant misuse of the term 'IP' to refer to something external and distinct (namely cinema) only reinforces the idea that themed entertainment is a lesser medium.
 

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